Bobby Roberts
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I can't tell if Theory is being sarcastic or not.
I'm leaning towards not?
I dunno, it's real early for me still
I'm leaning towards not?
I dunno, it's real early for me still
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Wonder Woman and the Mystery of the Missing Marketing.
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you're posting this ironically right? because to try and conflate those two moments as some kind of proof that critics have it out for dc is pretty deluded
Actually, that's not how it happened. They stopped fighting because Cap kicked his ass and he was defeated. Crossbones went on that tangent as a distraction, basically being tactical in order to hide that he was setting up to detonate the bombs on his person. Cap later admits that he fucked up for being distracted by this. The Martha scene isn't stupid because the character literally says martha (Well...not mainly because of that anyway), it's stupid because that thing is used as a turning point of the heroes conflict with each other. As usual, you're just pick a single strand of commonality while ignoring the context and purpose of that narrative devise to try and draw a parallel that doesn't actually exist.
Man this movie is 100% going to be a stinker. It's well past the time for a good female super hero movie, really ridiculous that there hasn't been one. Maybe I'm just overlooking the good ones?
There's been like 20 female hero movies where they just stick a hot famous lady as the lead and push it out for it to just flop.
There's been like 20 female hero movies where they just stick a hot famous lady as the lead and push it out for it to just flop.
SolidChamp
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Marketing here in Taiwan is pretty big. WW is on the side of every second bus that passes me by.
Bobby Roberts
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At least this isn't the booger-eating thread
When are reviews supposed to hit? About a week after GotG 2 comes out stateside?
Yeah, sorry, I shouldn't hijack the thread. It just kinda happened.
It's just that I don't have much to contribute Wonder Woman threads until the movie is release except "Please be good, please be good, please be good...."
And if it is good, I hope word of mouth gives it the audiences it needs, since apparently WB is sleeping on the job of selling it's own movie.
That thread has some prime Mod drama waiting to explode though.
Poodlestrike
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Because that's all DCEU OT ever threads are?
Bobby Roberts
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No, you didn't hijack the thread at all. And you were pointing out what a shitty stupid meme that was, which is always appreciated.
I was just sipping coffee and going through what I missed while I was sleeping.
I have noticed that Doctor Strange has become the notch on the measuring stick to use. Even though SS, BvS and Man of Steel are much, much better comparisons, people are using the Doc as the mark by which Wonder Woman just has to stand next to in order to handwave this concern away.
Possibly. You're calling Wonder Woman 100% bad already without having seen it.
Personally, I think all I've seen on this looks great and am not really interested in hate parties on films.
Catwoman, Tank Girl,Barb Wire ,Elektra....Super Ex Girlfriend.....Hunger Games ?
Matilda had psychic powers...does she count ?
Mos of the marketing of Suicide Squad focused on Harley I guess...
Thats 8
Supergirl, Vampirella, Red Sonja
You know, I usually don't care how successful a movie is, financially speaking. Superhero films in particular don't matter because it feels like the established fanbase is so strong that even complete critical failures generally make their money back because they star "Popular character X."
But I'm not a shareholder of any studio, so other than the general desire of seeing good work rewarded, how much money studio's make isn't really a concern for me as an audience member so long as it is "Enough to make a sequel" (assuming I want one).
Wonder woman is the first film in a long time I've cared about succeeding as much as it meriting that success as a good film. Because I feel that anything less than stupid amounts of money is going to be taken as another piece of evidence for the false notion that woman led action films aren't viable. It's frustrating to see the unfairness of it.
I want it to succeed enough, critically and financially, that audiences will want to see another WW film and studios will want to make it.
To be fair, I dont think that has happened with Ghost in the Shell, has it? (Which btw. flopped despite humongous marketing)
Maybe movie studios are over that point after hunger games, lucy etc.
The spots look pretty fantastic so far
They are already planning the sequel with some solid story ideals, I'd say they're pretty confident.
Gordon Shumway
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You must cry in you pillow about this stuff lol..
Planning and manifestation are different things. Granted, this is a superhero movie, so it might be that they're just assuming the installed base is large enough to cover their costs no matter how it does.
Well, in any case, I did specify 2 goals. If they already have the production of another WW covered, then all that leaves is to aim for critical success.
Please be good, please be good, please be good...
Can Crusher
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Maybe they couldn't get around to the right song.
That very public and very one-sided affair between BvS and CW really broke some people . . . . . . if it helps DC is wiping the floor with Marvel recently in terms of comics.
Bobby Roberts
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Update: Scott Mendelson of Forbes has weighed in with a piece entitled "Leave Them Wanting More: In Defense of Warner Bros.' Wonder Woman Marketing"
The first sentence is interesting:
"Warner Bros. made good on their unofficial #WonderWednesday promises by dropping two new Wonder Woman TV spots. "
The two new TV spots were released on Thursday, in fact.
Anyway, a lot of the arguments you will read in his piece have already been put forth by people posting in this thread, but it'll be nice to see it there as well, more concisely arranged underneath his wonderful byline photo.
(I love that he never changes this, btw)
The first sentence is interesting:
"Warner Bros. made good on their unofficial #WonderWednesday promises by dropping two new Wonder Woman TV spots. "
The two new TV spots were released on Thursday, in fact.
Anyway, a lot of the arguments you will read in his piece have already been put forth by people posting in this thread, but it'll be nice to see it there as well, more concisely arranged underneath his wonderful byline photo.
(I love that he never changes this, btw)
Glad you know this without seeing it. Also this makes no sense.
I always love this logic.
thehypocrite
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😂😂😂
Crossbones randomly says Bucky and Cap starts playing the Brokeback Mountain theme in his head and has a montage in his head of all the times he and Bucky made your mama jokes and Bucky called Sarah Rogers a bitch or something. Meanwhile Clark tries to say save Martha Kent after Bruce kicked his ass and had his boot to his throat and people can't put two and two to together that he's trying to say Martha Kent, or people ignore the fucking flashback montage of Thomas Wayne's dying words being Martha, or people ignoring the fact Bruce was way more pissed after he thinks Clark is trying to pull Jedi mind tricks "why'd you say that name!", or that they find it inconceivable that Mr My Parents are Dead! would be triggered. but hey tie yourself in knots trying to say how the Bucky moment makes more sense. Tell me again, why didn't Clark give Wonder Woman the spear again when she was holding Doomsday with her lasso, .
I'd also like to add i find it amusing you describe Crossbones saying Bucky as being "tactical". But shit on the Martha moment as being stupid when throughout the film Bruce had been calling Superman an Alien, "you were never even a man" "men are brave" and only by realising that on his deathbed this alien only thought about a woman named Martha like his father and only then did he see this alien as a man who had a human mother. Only then did he realise that all the shit Alfred was saying was right. But hey, their mum's have the same name!
To summarise, The Bucky moment was the inciting moment due to Crossbones being tactical but The Martha moment is stupid because reasons!
Future Foundation
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(I love that he never changes this, btw)
I thought he'd changed it.
I'm happy he didn't.
Biggest-Geek-Ever
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For what it's worth, Drew McWeeny tweeted yesterday that he heard WB is internally very happy with Wonder Woman.
https://twitter.com/DrewMcWeeny/status/857749913181970433
https://twitter.com/DrewMcWeeny/status/857749913181970433
Future Foundation
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It's neat when people on this board think they've got some super psychic insight into how these movies will do. Remember when everyone thought Squad was gonna blow the doors off of BvS...because their cast "had more fun" in their Comic-Con picture?
Bobby Roberts
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Yeah, that's a decent bit of news.
Messofanego
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Oh good, movie conspiracy theory image macros. Last movie conspiracy image I remember seeing was a doozy.
ArtHands
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This a joke picture right? Both of them have entirely different contexts. I believe whoever did that picture is deliberately dense.
I believe all insiders hear its good and early screenings are positive also. Of all the " info" we got there was only one bad and that came from that weird chick from Screenjunkies who suddenly had a insider scoop where she never had one before.
I thought Marvel sells more Comics than DC?
For past few months, the sales are pretty negligible difference
Marvel does make more money though because of the higher ticket price.
But feel like less sales and more to do with Nazi Captain America.
This post makes no sense from a few fronts, but pass that Bluray copy that you've already watched and judged... let alone that wasn't their game plan with the previously two critically panned movies... but okay.
Bobby Roberts
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click that tweet and read the thread that follows.
It doesn't actually play out the way you think you do.
(Drew was one of the first people to tell people that BvS was probably going to be a big fat mess and he ate a ton of shit for it. And then the movie came out)
Gordon Shumway
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Sadly, no..and has nothing to do with WW, so it's great that it was posted here so the vs war marches on! 😒
No idea what you mean really. He is positive about what he hears even in the replies.
Bobby Roberts
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Oh shit, I apologize. I thought your response was an attempt to minimize opinions based on early screenings/industry gossip entirely. I completely misread the response.
Sorry!
Kris had a godtier rant on Super Tuesday about this
I don't know whether it's sadder to actually make these godawful looking things, or to share them earnestly.
Could be worst. Not being able to defend your points is even worst.
Gordon Shumway
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Worse.
(Not being able to talk about plot points in a superhero movie is worse than creating memes out of badly compressed images and playschool fonts that snipe at internet fanboys over plot points in a superhero movie because a movie you liked was criticized? Uh, ok.)
Bobby Roberts
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I would watch a Vice documentary on the guys who put together these shit-ass memes.
Just sit down & turn a camera on as they narrate their process.
I bet it'd be fuckin' fascinating. The confidence on display. The knowledge that confidence will be rewarded with a ton of social media shares. The total lack of self-awareness (or design ability). The decisionmaking skills, or lack thereof.
Just sit down & turn a camera on as they narrate their process.
I bet it'd be fuckin' fascinating. The confidence on display. The knowledge that confidence will be rewarded with a ton of social media shares. The total lack of self-awareness (or design ability). The decisionmaking skills, or lack thereof.
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