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World Cup 2010 6/27: Germany Vs. England, Mexico vs. Argentina |OT|
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Windom Earle
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Good job Mike Works 
Lucky in "they didn't play well before" or "no clear chances to be seen". A header can always go in, we Germans know more than enough about that. It was not deserved and Germany was closer to the 3-0 than England to the 1-2.
Socreges said:
Lucky in "they didn't play well before" or "no clear chances to be seen". A header can always go in, we Germans know more than enough about that. It was not deserved and Germany was closer to the 3-0 than England to the 1-2.
The fuck? Since when does a team need to build up sustained pressure over an indefinite period of time (and ultimately fail to penetrate several times) in order to deserve a goal? If England gets the ball to the corner, and then to Gerrard, and then into the 18-yard-box, and then onto Upson's head, and into the back of the net --- *wildly punches buttons on calculator* ---- it is deserved. Are counter-attack goals not deserved either? Or is there just something illegitimate about using one's head to score a goal?? :lolschennmu said:Good job Mike Works
Lucky in "they didn't play well before" or "no clear chances to be seen". A header can always go in, we Germans know more than enough about that. It was not deserved and Germany was closer to the 3-0 than England to the 1-2.
catfish said:
Yeah and that's never enough to win, simply dominating is usally not enough to win a match against a competent team. It's football not rocket science.
I thnk there's more than enough data to show that if a team plays its cards right they can defeat a much stronger team (granted was not gonna happen here).
The problem being that the bad call by the ref WOULD have changed everything.
Again if tthe coach is anything better than the shitstain we got this year and last, they could have turned it around. It sure would have been harder for the germans than what they had to contend with, as it is they didn't have to pull any extraordinary efforts here.
Then again germany played with the cards they were dealt and won, there's no denying that.
I guess they all have to contend with shitty refs, it's not like it's a first this year, I can barely count the matches that wouldn't have ended that way with video assiting the refs, they're that shitty this year.
I call fighting when you try to open some possibilities and all, heck anything better than Anelka walking.
they were bad at it but they tried, by 3-1 the match was basically over anyway.
i thought he meant not 'deserved' in the sense that it wasn't some amazing piece of english attacking, just fortune with a suddenly crappy german defense. stevie simply did his job in crossing it in competently, and upson had a mile wide gap to run onto that ball since the german defenders decided getting in front of him in any way shape or form wasn't for them.
slightly clumsy wording maybe.
slightly clumsy wording maybe.
Always-honest
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no, that's the stupid way to look at things.farnham said:
It would have been a different match with 2-2.
would england have won? probably not because they were outclassed by a large margin.
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Always-honest said:
this seems like a pretty fair assessment of the situation.
Did anyone expect any difference though, as in thinking England stood a chance after their tournament performance? I certainly didn't which is why I let 20 euro ride on Germany winning in normal time
England nearly franced out of the tourny in the group stages, they were bad this year.
catfish said:this seems like a pretty fair assessment of the situation.
Did anyone expect any difference though, as in thinking England stood a chance after their tournament performance? I certainly didn't which is why I let 20 euro ride on Germany winning in normal time
England nearly franced out of the tourny in the group stages, they were bad this year.
Now now, lay down the insults, they were bad but not THAT bad.
Heck the players themselves are not that much to blame (except theses crappy keepers and defenders...)
Windom Earle
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Socreges said:
Duki said:
Yeah, pretty much. The better team has won in the end. Seems to be the general consensus (despite a few lost souls here on GAF) as well.
catfish said:
yeah the only thing England did better were some long distance shots by Frank, which reflects in their "superior" statistics
the way Germany cut right through their defense in the first 30 mins every time they tried was almost laughable ...
2-2 would have given them a little more chance to properly defend, and gave them some more momentum as well, but they were still outclassed in every way conceivable
German goals : 1 long pass from the keeper and England's defenders fucking it up, 1 great attack combining through the middle and 2 fast and expertly played out counters where the English players gave away the ball while their entire team was standing in front of them
England goals : 1 high ball from a delayed corner and 1 nice lob after a ball bounced to Lampard's feet ... only once did they combine to create a chance, which was the Gerrard shot that was saved (was already 4-1 at that time I suppose)
Killuminati
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The next England manager?
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He looks like he's prepping to be one. Either that or he's got great team spirit.
If he dropped the current team and did a total retake on the team then he would get my vote.Killuminati said:
The fact is 85% of that England squad doesn't deserve to wear the shirt. None of those players play anywhere near the potential they play at club level.
It's not the England managers at fault here, it's the players and it always has been.
Sven was successful when he took over England, look at Steve McClaren, he took Middlesborough all the way to the UEFA Cup final then turned up at England and since being sacked has gone on to success with FC Twente. Fabio Cappello is the next successful manager to turn up and then get let down by the players who dont want to play for their nation.
Ship out that era, all they have done is prove they dont want to play for England.
Screw those guys.
Killuminati said:The next England manager?
This.
Unbelievably, he was the only guy who looked like he gave a fuck at the tournament for England.
problem with Becks though, is he wouldnt change a damn thing in the team, he'd still be lumping Heskey up there with Rooney, Gerrard on the left, re fusing to play J.Cole, never dropping the big names etc
MMaRsu said:Wtf? The big thread got closed? Why?
Probably because it was a megathread huh..
Anyway just played two games of Fifa 10 and two times the other guy quit on me :\. I guess they don't have fun when you beat them 4-0 with Inter
No, because it was crashing GAF. At least read the OP.
Art Teitlebaum
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Socreges said:
Yes, fully agreed. Nobody knows, which direction the match would have taken, if there was the equalizer before the break. Football is sometimes all about psychology and our team is quite young.
But on the other hand, nobody really can deny, that the German win wasn't just pure luck either, but the result of a strong performance overall.
And this is the saddest thing about the blind goal reffing: We'll never know, how epic and historic the game COULD have been.
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Polari said:
:lol there has to be a more polite way to say this simple truth.
well, it's gonna be pretty historic they'll probably put video refs in.
Hey Poms,
why blame the manager? Is every England manager a fool? Capello has one of the best CVs in world football. Man has runs on the board.
surely now it's time to come to terms with the fact.
THE PLAYERS ARE THE PROBLEM.
not Capello, Erikson, Keegan or anyone else. The players are clearly NOT GOOD ENOUGH.
of this generation the only 2 who have proved themselves are
Beckham and Macmaman. both played for Real and were perfectly at home there. everyone else. cloggers
why blame the manager? Is every England manager a fool? Capello has one of the best CVs in world football. Man has runs on the board.
surely now it's time to come to terms with the fact.
THE PLAYERS ARE THE PROBLEM.
not Capello, Erikson, Keegan or anyone else. The players are clearly NOT GOOD ENOUGH.
of this generation the only 2 who have proved themselves are
Beckham and Macmaman. both played for Real and were perfectly at home there. everyone else. cloggers
Art Teitlebaum
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catfish said:
Or at least some goal referee. If that's the result, the blind men were at least good for something.
Since everyone I support for are out, I am a German fan.
Why on the world are people trying to argue with Doicre or whoever he is, you guys don't know him i suppose, he is just a joker in the gaming GAF.
Also if England would have played these players, they would have been better:
Why on the world are people trying to argue with Doicre or whoever he is, you guys don't know him i suppose, he is just a joker in the gaming GAF.
Also if England would have played these players, they would have been better:
Wandering Leopard
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faridmon said:
Joke?
What does the new thread mean for flags yet to be given out?
As for England they were embarassing to watch, Rooney Gerard, lampard terry etc etc awful.
Rooney never got going at this world cup, as someone above mentioned becks was only one who looked like they were committed, What happened to being proud to play for your country etc and do your all
As for England they were embarassing to watch, Rooney Gerard, lampard terry etc etc awful.
Rooney never got going at this world cup, as someone above mentioned becks was only one who looked like they were committed, What happened to being proud to play for your country etc and do your all
Haunted
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Actually, England fans (in this thread and elsewhere) have been extremely reasonable about that disallowed goal. They've acknowledged that their team was outplayed over a large portion of the game by a strong German team. The way they've gracefully accepted the result in the other thread and this thread as well was pretty damn impressive, so major kudos to England-GAF for that.Fritz said:
Then came doicare.
J Tourettes
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I can now cheer on Germany with a clear conscience as I have an each way bet on Germany and Holland.
England were shockingly shite this tourny, think we're going to have even more lean years ahead.
England were shockingly shite this tourny, think we're going to have even more lean years ahead.
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link?Acidote said:
Art Teitlebaum said:
Hey someone with a german flag that speaks sense.
Funny thing apparently the shitty ref is involved in a corruption case(although in both case it's assistants that are to blame, it's their jobs after all :-/)...
Even funnier they'll put a blame on the guy, based on video evidence :lol
This world cup is really shit as far as football goes but at least it provides endless entertainment
Cerebral Assassin
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Ikkarus said:
Perhaps they just play with better players at their clubs? England's problem stem from the fact that they have no (top) class DM, without Ferdinand they don't have a CB who is particularly good on the ball(& Ferdinand is highly over-rated in this country at that), sub par wide players who either have skill or pace & no striker who is a real goal scoring threat that can hold up the ball.
I am pretty sure that the players do care when they are playing for England, to say otherwise is disrespectful (Stevie certainly does, otherwise he wouldn't have been silent over events at Anfield over the summer)
Funky Papa
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Here's the FIFA showing how god damned corrupt/inept they arecatfish said:
Basically, FIFA refuses to investigate bad calls and remains against technology in the sport. HOWEVER, there's something that needs to be addressed with the utmost urgency:
:lol
FeedTheYak
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faridmon said:
Dont forget Tony Hibbert and Phil Neville...
Dr Zhivago
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faridmon said:
Baines was dreadful in that friendly match before the World Cup started. Jagielka still doesn't seem to have recovered from that injury. Rodwell is a genuine prospect though
as long as he moves to a decent team.
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