Virtual Boy was a staple of the gaming industry and crucial to Nintendo's history.
Edited to clarify sarcasm before I end up with a tag under my username marking me part of the Virtual Boy defense force.
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WSJ: Nintendo Begins Distributing Software Kit for NX (Console + Handheld units)
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Virtual Boy was a staple of the gaming industry and crucial to Nintendo's history.
Please, keep that to yourself unless you prefer another stupid name
Don't come crying if it's something like Nintendo Uniited or Nintendo U-nity, lol.
Other thread gave me the idea:
Xenoblade Chronicles X: Remasterd at launch for NX.
What would you think about that? I think it's a good idea to have a Open-World RPG at launch.
how about you?
Xenoblade Chronicles X: Remasterd at launch for NX.
What would you think about that? I think it's a good idea to have a Open-World RPG at launch.
how about you?
I'd prefer a FFXV port since both will launch at about the same time.
Nah the NX will probably be out in the next 2/3 years.
So, just be conservative and stick with the same small base that bought the Wii U and hope that some neat new gimmick woos the long gone Wii casuals back? Talk about a recipe for disaster.
A more powerful system would easily bring in tons of people who have simply been waiting to see Nintendo get with the times. With more people and more power, more third party support will take care of itself. Staying the same in their safe little box is the last thing they should be doing.
I hear this narrative repeated a lot but I just don't think it's true anymore. Handhelds are ideally suited to long session games like Monster Hunter, Dragon Quest, etc. If anything we're already at this crossroads given how much 3DS probably cannibalized Wii U sales with core Nintendo fans given how incredibly similar their 1st party lineups are.
It'd need to be Nintendo XV.
I. Color Game TV
II. Game & Watch
III. Family Computer / NES
IV. Game Boy
V. Super Famicom / Super NES
VI. Virtual Boy
VII. Nintendo 64
VIII. Game Boy Advance
IX. Gamecube
X. Pokémon mini
XI. Nintendo DS
XII. Wii
XIII. Nintendo 3DS
XIV: Wii U
FFXIV 3.0 is probably more likely. And it could possibly run on the handheld spec too if they're keeping PS3 support.
You are making things hard for me!!!! OK, Nintendo 15 = NXV (pronounced like NX Wii) ha, come at me suckers!
By the way: Is the Xbox One the first Xbox? No, so I guess we can agree that pokemon mini and G&W don't count.
It's a symbolic X - like the 10 commandments, the 10 disciples, the 10 samurai and so on...
James Scott
Banned
I think BC should go. I love BC and it helps the early months of the console by quite a bit, there is little benefit from it. Best to start from scratch, create software tools for easy porting of Wii U software. This helped the new systems more than would be expected and it's more profitable as well.
They can use their previous system's small reach as a positive instead of a negative with the remastered being for essentially a new audience. People wanted Wii U software, just not Wii U hardware.
They can use their previous system's small reach as a positive instead of a negative with the remastered being for essentially a new audience. People wanted Wii U software, just not Wii U hardware.
I think they should leave it as is. It's not going to sell better and if they aren't losing money on it then that's fine. Makes the next system look cheaper as well.
Dreamwriter
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Eh? Each new generation resets that - people don't just choose a manufacturer and then never switch to a new one, otherwise everyone would still be on Nintendo, with Sega grabbing a few of those. Heck, these days I'd say the only real customer loyalty is to Nintendo systems, the other two are similar enough to each other most people just choose whichever one has a few exclusives that they want to play.
So if Nintendo released a powerful console next generation with some awesome launch titles, it'll definitely pull in a large userbase, which will attract third parties (who definitely don't have loyalty to any particular console), which will pull in more userbase, and the cycle will continue.
I think third party multiplats are a lost cause for Nintendo at this point, at least at launch.
All signs are indicating to me that the NX will have a phenomenal launch line up however, so I think, if they play their cards right, they will be able to carve out a big enough niche market with the core gamer.
They may not be able to ever reach an install base as big as the PS4 but that doesn't mean they can't be incredibly profitable with the NX. They have the most loyal and dedicated fanbase in the industry, as long as they are delivering the goods, they can milk them (us, me) all they want.
All signs are indicating to me that the NX will have a phenomenal launch line up however, so I think, if they play their cards right, they will be able to carve out a big enough niche market with the core gamer.
They may not be able to ever reach an install base as big as the PS4 but that doesn't mean they can't be incredibly profitable with the NX. They have the most loyal and dedicated fanbase in the industry, as long as they are delivering the goods, they can milk them (us, me) all they want.
The question is, is Zen ready? Would it really be an improvement over Jaguar?
The cost to build a ps4-a-like this year or next will still be the cost of building an ps4 (or more, due to the economies of scale and setting up new production lines). What you can gain are small efficiencies in architecture. As an example, however, amd is still making 28nm gpus. The cost of 28nm silicon size for size is going to be similar.
I personally don't see a 4 or 500 dollar (which would be the minimum price of this beast console that people seem to ferverently wank for) Nintendo console selling well to the market at large.
Step 1) make powerful console
Step 2) ?????
Step 2) third parties and large user base!!!1!
I'm afraid it doesn't quite work that way. The Wii u was sufficient to get most cross generation games. After the monetary incentives to port titles ran out, so too did the porting. Ps360 get lots of titles to this day, years later, even if some are gimped in some fashion.
Chittagong
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I honestly expect it to look the same as MK8 with few more bells and whistles here and there but at 1080p, 60fps, AA with pristine IQ and a new game gimmick.
Pixar could never!
that last bit was sarcasm in case you didn't notice..
I'd argue One is the 4th console for Microsoft!
I. Dreamcast (Windows CE!)
II. Xbox
III. Xbox 360
IV. Xbox One
We could also muddy things up if we threw the MSX standard in there. Yeah I know they're technically computers but come on; they had set architectures, standard cartridge slots and controller ports, and people only really bought them for videogames (mostly from Konami). That's practically a console.
So really:
I. MSX
II. MSX2
III. MSX2+
IV. MSX turboR
V. Dreamcast
VI. Xbox
VII. Xbox 360
VIII. Xbox One
Fourth Storm
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While I wouldn't rule it out entirely, it just makes too much sense for them to choose an ARM CPU for both handheld and home console. For one, it will be much easier to maintain a single OS across devices that way. It's also unknown what kind of position AMD themselves will be in a year or 2 from now. I'd stay away from their x86 processors just because of uncertainties in licensing come the generation after next.
GPUs, on the other hand, could be different. Below a certain TDP and AMD have yet to prove themselves as a capable provider. Mullins and its ilk have gone largely underutilized by your big laptop manufacturers. And that's still a part for a not-micro tablet. Sticking a Radeon GPU in the console and, say, a PowerVR in the handheld would still allow a great deal of flexibility if they using a common API, like Vulkan, and other standard IDEs, compilers, etc, which are more to do w/ CPU and middleware (many of which support both PowerVR and AMD GPU architectures).
In future generations, if it comes down to it, we've also seen satisfactory emulation of console GPUs historically. CPUs seem to have more latency-sensitive instructions that prevent full speed functionality in BC without including the actual hardware. Someone with more knowledge on the subject can feel free to correct me if that statement is totally misleading.
In short, choosing a CPU architecture and sticking with it is more important that a common GPU architecture at the moment. Right now, ARM is clearly the safest horse to bet on given what's currently available.
Smiles and Cries
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as a Xenoblade fan nope
just go straight to the next game, an X port/remake is not worth it
Lupin the Third
Member
What's the long-term licensing concern about with x86 and AMD?
Dreamwriter
Member
Wii U was missing my important point: launch with killer launch titles to attract a starting audience. It didn't attract users because it didn't launch with AAA first-party titles. The most popular thing it launched with was New Super Mario U, which while that series has a dedicated fan base, it's not a system seller.
No.
For AMD? That they either go under or get bought out by one of Nintendo's competitors. AMD just lost $200 million last quarter. I dunno about x86
For launch titles? Zelda U port, potential Smash U port and maybe a 3D Mario.
If we're talking mythical AMD architecture, we may as well just go with K12 over Zen anyway.
Its going to be A57 if anything. Its a mature node with a lot of flexibility in production and scale, from mobile to server.
I'm imagining that if the patent with the scollable bumpers on the console controller, I would bet that it would be on the handheld as well for parity. No need for L3/R3 and potentially more buttons than the traditional controller.
Agreed. This "alternative market" or "secondary console" nonsense needs to stop. The only "alternative" console that worked out in the game industry's history so far was the Wii, and we all know;
1. How quickly that bubble popped and
2. That a large chunk of the audience that made the Wii a success are satisfied with gaming on their smartphones and tablets, and are very unlike to come back.
Every other console that tried to position itself as an "alternative" (which the Wii didn't do) has been a commercial failure. The only way for Nintendo to slowly but sustainably regain marketshare is to compete with the other two. They don't need to blow them out on specs or pump out the same amount of 18-40 male demographic content as SCE and MGS, but they need good Western third party support and a handful of tentpole Western IPs (FPS, TPS, maybe a simcade racer) of their own.
even if they don't get all the third parties back with NX, if they take a giant step in the right direction, it would help them greatly in the long run.
maybe they can even launch a new console alongside PS5/XBTWO. comparable power, third party friendly... if they knock it out of the park with NX (that's a big if), their next console (that would launch alongside the competition rather than midway through a generation) could grab a lot of PS4/Xbone owners.
and don't tell me "everyone is too ingrained in the Sony infrastructure, they'd never jump ship!" because that's exactly what happened with everyone jumping from 360 last gen to PS4 this gen. if Nintendo puts out a desirable product, people will make the jump. bottom line.
maybe they can even launch a new console alongside PS5/XBTWO. comparable power, third party friendly... if they knock it out of the park with NX (that's a big if), their next console (that would launch alongside the competition rather than midway through a generation) could grab a lot of PS4/Xbone owners.
and don't tell me "everyone is too ingrained in the Sony infrastructure, they'd never jump ship!" because that's exactly what happened with everyone jumping from 360 last gen to PS4 this gen. if Nintendo puts out a desirable product, people will make the jump. bottom line.
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
You are correct.
Omegasquash
Member
Just do right by third parties, Nintendo. Do it.
James Scott
Banned
On the power difference between the two systems, Nintendo could look at it as the console providing a premium experience while the portable is the base product. The console could get all portable games with better performance (depending on how much work devs want to put in) plus multiplatform console games and maybe a few big exclusives like Zelda.
That's one way to do it. The system can be 300 bucks and around PS4 power by its launch while the handheld could be 100 bucks cheaper.
Would attempt to make each a desirable product in its own right.
That's one way to do it. The system can be 300 bucks and around PS4 power by its launch while the handheld could be 100 bucks cheaper.
Would attempt to make each a desirable product in its own right.
Precisely. And the corollary to this is that the reason why people didn't pick the Wii U in large numbers because it was an undesirable product. If Nintendo is interested in core and dudebro gamers at all, they will have to something to show it and invest in these demographics.
But who will buy this console if they can just buy a PS4 for the same price?
R
Rösti
Unconfirmed Member
They appear to have started some minor updates on the help section of the dev portal. Nothing new on NX however, at least in the sections I have access to.
DragonKnight
Member
Me.
Wowfunhappy
Member
sörine;182175359 said:
I don't agree, I think the NX is Nintendo's second. 8th gen console. This isn't entirely unprecedented. See: Atari.
I mean, ultimately generation numbers will be decided after the generation is over, and will largely depend on when Sony and Microsoft will decide to launch their 9th gen consoles. But if the NX launches in 2016, I think it will most likely end up still being 8th gen.
Is this another "Next-gen starts when Sony says so" thing?
Herb Alpert
Banned
And here we go again.
I think it makes Alot of sense. Nintendo have been doing this for gba to ds to 3ds as well with the consoles. Would that put them in a good logical position to have wiiu cpu + high end arm in the console? Basically maintain whole bunch of games from previous generations + nx handheld + new generation.
What are your thoughts?
2011 (start of 8th gen with 3DS) to 2016 (start of 9th gen with NX) would be a standard generational cycle for Nintendo. Welcome to NX.
PdotMichael
Banned
It doesn't matter.
Like people like to put the Dreamcast into the PS2 gen although it was for longer supported pre-PS2 than post-PS2. And the console was hopeless underpowered in the long-run.
The same way the NX console must faces PS4/Xbox One mostlikely for longer than any possible successfor consoles of the two companies.
When hell freezes over. When pigs fly. When supply side/trickle down economics work. When Israel decides to play nice with Palestinians.
ShockingAlberto
Member
Ports will get people excited.
What other console tried to position itself as an alternative? Wii was probably the first real one. Following in the foosteps of Sony and MS would be a huge mistake that Nintendo isn't likely to make anyway. That would be extremely stupid. 3rd parties would still not make any games for the system. They don't have any reason to. 3rd parties will wake up only when it's already a success and they see the NPS numbers . But since it's assumed, and rightfully, that anyone who wants to play Western IPs, buys or will buy a PS4, they will adopt a wait & see approach.
The NX needs to be a must have for kids and families or having a new wow factor if they want to do better than Gamecube or Wii U sales, not ape Sony or MS. Why buy a Nintendo when you can get a cool PS4?
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
This is their problem.
Make it powerful enough to draw third parties or, at the very least, expose them for the whole "we don't support it because of low power" stuff we've heard from devs.
EA's garbage ports they put out for Wii U months after they were released on other consoles were bound to fail. Then, we heard, "well, they just didn't sell!" Of course they didn't--nobody had any reason to buy a 4-month old game they were already playing on another system.
The only good one I can think of is Neo Geo, and went the other direction to a high end niche. Other than that things move into the world of edutainment (CDi, Pico, Leapfrog, etc) or the vast red ocean of microconsoles.
Neff
Member
Depends. If the price, power, features and third party support are comparable, it'll come down to one very simple calculation- do you want Nintendo first party or Sony first party?
There's always plan B, which is "Our games don't sell to Nintendo fans".
There's also an issue of online gaming.
Some people buy the consoles that their friends own so they can play them online. PlayStation and Xbox have large online communities.
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