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WWDC09 Thread of iPhones and Snow Leopards

Yeah, that's the only one I would consider.
Damn, so awesome.
 
Will I be able to keep my files and programs upgrading from Tiger to Snow Leopard?

The new MBP is really tempting but I can't justify the upgrade when my 2006 MBP CoreDuo stills runs really well for what I use it for. Only problem with the computer in the last year is sometimes it does not fall asleep or wake up properly. Otherwise the computer runs as smooth as butter as long as I am not running too much flash, but flash runs like ass on everything.
 
bionic77 said:
Will I be able to keep my files and programs upgrading from Tiger to Snow Leopard?

The new MBP is really tempting but I can't justify the upgrade when my 2006 MBP CoreDuo stills runs really well for what I use it for. Only problem with the computer in the last year is sometimes it does not fall asleep or wake up properly. Otherwise the computer runs as smooth as butter as long as I am not running too much flash, but flash runs like ass on everything.
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absolutely. it'll be the same as upgrading from tiger to leopard and no one lost any files or programs from that.
 
The tabs on the top was interesting. But it was done a bit differently than Chrome did it in that there was no grip area making the grip area all the space on the tabs aside from the close boxes and move grip. Which caused a lot of accidental clicks. I guess they couldn't figure out a way to efficiently do it. Oh well. At least the new tabs look nice.


Snow Leopard's page:

More efficient file sharing.
With Snow Leopard and a compatible AirPort Extreme or Time Capsule base station, a computer that acts as a file or media server can go to sleep yet continue to share its files with other computers and devices, saving energy.
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Wait, does that mean I can put my Mac mini to sleep and still have it serve up the files on the attached Media HD and the two backup HD's? Because it currently just sits there wide awake 24/7 waiting for me to access stuff.

Multi-Touch gestures in older Mac models.
All Mac notebooks with Multi-Touch trackpads now support three- and four-finger gestures.
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What? FUCKING HELL YEAH! So fucking awesome! So I won't have to wait for my MacBook Pro 13" to use these gestures. So awesome!

Automatic time zone setting.
Using Core Location technology, Snow Leopard can use known Wi-Fi hotspots to set the time zone — perfect for world travelers.
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It would be impressive if it could do that for my house wifi network. Though I bet it probably could.

Configurable time window for screen locking.
If you set your Mac to require a password to wake from sleep, you can now add a delay of five seconds to four hours before the password is required.
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Does it only work for Sleep? Could they make it work for screensaver too? I never sleep when at home. I just let it go to the screensaver.

Smaller footprint.
Snow Leopard takes up less than half the disk space of the previous version, freeing about 6GB for you — enough for about 1,500 more songs or a few thousand more photos.
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I look forward to seeing this. But really though, my normal install never takes 6GB OOTB. I always turn off 5-7GB of useless printer drivers, fonts and languages I will NEVER use. Plus I use Monolingual to remove extra languages as well.

A new QuickTime Player.
QuickTime X debuts a brand-new version of QuickTime Player, the standalone application used by millions to watch QuickTime-based video. Using the power of the Core Animation technology in Mac OS X, QuickTime Player offers a clean, uncluttered interface with controls that fade out when they’re not needed. And large thumbnail images make navigating chaptered movies simpler than before.
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Now the important question. Have they finally gotten rid of the overpriced QuickTime Pro option? Because those features never should have been extra. They should have been part of the software from the start. My real problem is that I use Movist for video playback. So I'll never use QuickTime. I wish I could install a Movist plugin for QuickTime that would make QuickTime play every single video ever made. I already have Perian and Flip4Mac. I just want it all in one place. And right now Movist does that. Fuck.. why are there so many fucking video codecs?


I kinda wish I could buy a MacBook 13" without a HD. The first thing I'd be doing to it when I buy it is taking the HD from this computer and putting it right in. (Mine is 500GB. The low end new ones are 250GB.) I'd be up and running immediately. Seems a waste to have yet another HD lying around unused. I already have a 250GB laptop HD I bought when I got this computer that I later replaced with the 500 I have now. Oh well, LOL, it'd probably be $50 price cut anyway.
 
The Snow Leopard stuff completely overshadowed all of the iPhone stuff for me. I'm so excited to get it on my iMac.

The MBP price drops are also nice, and now I'm thinking I need to start saving up for the 13" by the end of the year, my old G4 iBook is on its last leg at this point - not that I use my laptop all that much.
 
bionic77 said:
Snow Leopard is the first time I remember an OS getting smaller than the one that preceded it.

Hopefully this starts a trend.
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If only Apple followed that trend in iTunes.

It still has the best interface, but god damn has it become a bloated sack. Sorry, don't mean to start down that "discussion" again.
 
Ignatz Mouse said:
I am somewhat tempted to sell my black MB and get the 13" one. I wonder if I can do that for less than $400 all in.
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My original Core Duo 1.83 white macbook still sells for ~$500 on ebay. (really, I just checked). Insane.

Student discount MBP = $1100. Sell the iPod Touch and you get a final price of $900. Damn steal!
 
bionic77 said:
Snow Leopard is the first time I remember an OS getting smaller than the one that preceded it.

Hopefully this starts a trend.
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Not sure if this is true or not, but my mac enthusiast friend had previously told me that a ton of language support for many languages is installed with the OS. i.e. help files, localization for apps are installed when they do not need, which is taking up alot of space.
 
Crap, I loved top tabs. On a small screen that meant more space for the web page, and I was never clicking on tabs anyways - I just use two finger rotation motion to go between them (using multiclutch)

I really hope there's a way to enable them back.
 
bionic77 said:
Snow Leopard is the first time I remember an OS getting smaller than the one that preceded it.

Hopefully this starts a trend.
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All they've done is strip PowerPC code out of everything.

Xslimmer already does that (and strips Intel code out if you're on PPC), as well as stripping unwanted languages from all of your apps.

http://www.xslimmer.com/
 
Eaten By A Grue said:
Not sure if this is true or not, but my mac enthusiast friend had previously told me that alot of language support is installed with the OS. i.e. help files, localization for apps, for a ton of languages are installed when they do not need to be taking up alot of space.
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Well, that shit can be removed at install.

You need to make sure to customize the install and turn off all that bloated crap. All the languages, all the fonts you won't need (Asian fonts are huge!), all the printer drivers since face it, you're never going to own every single one. Just install them as you go!

You save GIGABYTES of data by turning that off.

I hope the install of Snow Leopard saves even more not counting that stuff.

Won't know until I install it myself in September.
 
AndersTheSwede said:
If only Apple followed that trend in iTunes.

It still has the best interface, but god damn has it become a bloated sack. Sorry, don't mean to start down that "discussion" again.
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I am all for optimization and smaller footprints in all software.

Personally iTunes runs decent on my MBP though big updates on the iPhone take forever. The only thing that I wish was a little speedier on my mac is Office 2008 but it is such a huge improvement over Office 2004 that I can't complain too much.
 
dorkimoe said:
oh and heres why att sucks

We’ve also just heard that tethering will be 100% locked out at launch, but AT&T’s in the process of putting together a $70/mo unlimited data and tethering plan. SMS and MMS will not be included in that plan, we’re told.
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FUCK that shit. I'm already shelling out 30 dollars for unlimited data, and twenty for unlimited texts, which TECHNICALLY ARE DATA. FUCK paying 70 dollars a month for an "unlimited data" plan. Man, I can't wait until my AT&T contract expires so I can get on Verizon, which is HOPEFULLY next year when they announce another iPhone. Ugh.
 
giga said:
My original Core Duo 1.83 white macbook still sells for ~$500 on ebay. (really, I just checked). Insane.

Student discount MBP = $1100. Sell the iPod Touch and you get a final price of $900. Damn steal!
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Sadly, not a student.

My MB had 4GB, which helps a lot on the sale end, but costs me on the other end. And I want a bigger HDD anyway.

I'll have to check things out.
 
Burai said:
All they've done is strip PowerPC code out of everything.

Xslimmer already does that (and strips Intel code out if you're on PPC), as well as stripping unwanted languages from all of your apps.

http://www.xslimmer.com/
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Monolingual does that too. And is FREE. It doesn't look as pretty though. Never tried it though. Is removing PPC code safe and tried and true? Because I've removed languages, but never architectures.
 
The only thing that worries me right now is what implementation process they're going to use for the "upgrade": http://www.apple.com/macosx/specs.html

Upgrading from Mac OS X v10.5 Leopard.
If your Intel-based Mac is running Mac OS X v10.5 Leopard, just purchase Mac OS X v10.6 Snow Leopard when it’s available and follow the simple installation instructions.
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Surely I should be able to do a clean "erase and install"? If I have an empty hard drive with no OS installed, would I need to insert my Leopard disc or will it be honor based?
 
Jasoco said:
Well, that shit can be removed at install.

You need to make sure to customize the install and turn off all that bloated crap. All the languages, all the fonts you won't need (Asian fonts are huge!), all the printer drivers since face it, you're never going to own every single one. Just install them as you go!

You save GIGABYTES of data by turning that off.

I hope the install of Snow Leopard saves even more not counting that stuff.

Won't know until I install it myself in September.
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How do you remove that stuff after you install? I only have 5 gigs of space left on my MBP, and I'd LOVE to clear up some extra space; that's one of the reasons why Snow Leopard is so appealing to me right now.

Edit - Saw Monolingual, and now I'm going to try that. I've got a demo of XSlimmer, and I'd love to get rid of the PPC code from my MBP, but I don't wanna pay to do it. Gah.
 
Snow Leopard is really getting smaller because they were able to get rid of all the PPC code. If you use xslimmer you can get most of that space already. I just downloaded the software updates and ran it and you can see how much space it saves.

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Beat.
 
AT&T really can just fuck off. At this point I'd rather be on just about any other network. I don't think I've ever hated a cellphone company this much.
 
giga said:
The only thing that worries me right now is what implementation process they're going to use for the "upgrade": http://www.apple.com/macosx/specs.html

Surely I should be able to do a clean "erase and install"? If I have an empty hard drive with no OS installed, would I need to insert my Leopard disc or will it be honor based?
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I posted the same thing about a hundred pages back. This was my concern too because OS X 10.1's "upgrade" process fucked up my install back in 2001. I would hope 8 years would give them time to refine the upgrade process. I too want to do a clean install like I do with every OS update. I don't even care if they make you insert the Leopard disc first to prove I own it. I just want an archive and install option.
 
Gary Whitta said:
AT&T really can just fuck off. At this point I'd rather be on just about any other network. I don't think I've ever hated a cellphone company this much.
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All the networks suck. It isn't like Verizon is any better or cheaper.

Sprint seems to have the best price but a lot of people complain about their coverage (I won't say their service because no one likes any cell phone company's service).

Cable and phone companies have US consumers by the balls, plain and simple.
 
Jasoco said:
Monolingual does that too. And is FREE. It doesn't look as pretty though. Never tried it though. Is removing PPC code safe and tried and true? Because I've removed languages, but never architectures.
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It depends on the App. They have a very decent blacklist that excludes programs that might cause serious issues. The only other niggle is if an app is signed, it might get upset if it's integrity is compromised and will ask for an admin password every time it's started (Adium does this). But you can just reinstall the app if you hit any issues.

I couldn't really grumble watching it slim my Applications folder from 7GB to 3GB.
 
Well, now I know for sure that I won't be upgrading from my 3G. I'm still totally happy with it. The new 3GS features are cool, but not even remotely worth the price to upgrade considering that next summer's revision will almost certainly be much more significant.
 
giga said:
The only thing that worries me right now is what implementation process they're going to use for the "upgrade": http://www.apple.com/macosx/specs.html



Surely I should be able to do a clean "erase and install"? If I have an empty hard drive with no OS installed, would I need to insert my Leopard disc or will it be honor based?
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There's a chance that they'll have serial ranges on the DVD of machines that are known to have shipped with Leopard on them and then allow an erase & install from those.
 
Dartastic said:
How do you remove that stuff after you install? I only have 5 gigs of space left on my MBP, and I'd LOVE to clear up some extra space; that's one of the reasons why Snow Leopard is so appealing to me right now.
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I dunno because I never installed it in the first place. I'd assume just find the files in the Library and delete them. But I don't know where they all would be. I bet running Monolingual would remove all the languages at least. And just go into Fonts to get rid of the Chinese and shit fonts they have. As for printers, well they gotta be somewhere.

All that stuff is not required by the OS and can be removed safely. But don't take my word for it, have a backup ready just in case. (Well, the worse that happens is you have to reinstall the OS. But with only 5GB left, you probably won't have much breathing room even for an Archive & Install.)

What I would do is delete a few gigs you can, or at least move them to another HD, then put the Leopard disc in and do an Archive and Install. But MAKE SURE TO CUSTOMIZE and turn off all the unnecessary stuff I mentioned. Then delete the old system backup when everything is back to normal.
 
Jasoco said:
I posted the same thing about a hundred pages back. This was my concern too because OS X 10.1's "upgrade" process fucked up my install back in 2001. I would hope 8 years would give them time to refine the upgrade process. I too want to do a clean install like I do with every OS update. I don't even care if they make you insert the Leopard disc first to prove I own it. I just want an archive and install option.
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I'm going to go off of a hunch and say that it will be an honor based system. Majority of intel macs came with Leopard so I doubt Apple would really care if the small percentage of 10.4 intel macs "upgrade".

Juice said:
There's a chance that they'll have serial ranges on the DVD of machines that are known to have shipped with Leopard on them and then allow an erase & install from those.
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That could work as well.
 
Burai said:
It depends on the App. They have a very decent blacklist that excludes programs that might cause serious issues. The only other niggle is if an app is signed, it might get upset if it's integrity is compromised and will ask for an admin password every time it's started (Adium does this). But you can just reinstall the app if you hit any issues.

I couldn't really grumble watching it slim my Applications folder from 7GB to 3GB.
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I have about 3 clones and backups of my system. I'm running Monolingual right now to see what it removes. Then I'm gonna test some apps. If they don't work anymore I'll just restore them from the backup.

Here's hoping!
 
Jasoco said:
I dunno because I never installed it in the first place. I'd assume just find the files in the Library and delete them. But I don't know where they all would be. I bet running Monolingual would remove all the languages at least. And just go into Fonts to get rid of the Chinese and shit fonts they have. As for printers, well they gotta be somewhere.

All that stuff is not required by the OS and can be removed safely. But don't take my word for it, have a backup ready just in case. (Well, the worse that happens is you have to reinstall the OS. But with only 5GB left, you probably won't have much breathing room even for an Archive & Install.)

What I would do is delete a few gigs you can, or at least move them to another HD, then put the Leopard disc in and do an Archive and Install. But MAKE SURE TO CUSTOMIZE and turn off all the unnecessary stuff I mentioned. Then delete the old system backup when everything is back to normal.
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I'm using Monolingual as we speak to get rid of a lot of the shitty languages. I really don't care if I lose most of them; I'll see how much space I save and report back.
 
giga said:
I'm going to go off of a hunch and say that it will be an honor based system. Majority of intel macs came with Leopard so I doubt Apple would really care if the small percentage of 10.4 intel macs "upgrade".
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We won't know until September. Either way it doesn't matter to me as I already own Leopard fair and square. I just want to be able to not have to prove I own it just in case I have to reinstall straight to SL.
 
I'd imagine that Snow Leopard will scan your drive for a copy of Leopard and then work as per usual for an OS X install disk allowing you to erase or archive and install. It's unlikely anyone will be booting a Mac with a completely blank HDD off the bat.
 
Not sold on the new iPhone. I'm going to wait for the next one to upgrade my 3G. But the new OS looks shit hot, both for my phone and my iMac.
 
Burai said:
I'd imagine that Snow Leopard will scan your drive for a copy of Leopard and then work as per usual for an OS X install disk allowing you to erase or archive and install. It's unlikely anyone will be booting a Mac with a completely blank HDD off the bat.
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Right, but for situations when you install a new hard drive?
 
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