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WWE Raw Ratings: Viewership Hits Record Low

Vince Russo hasn't been a good wrestling mind in 20 years and, when you step back and think about it, he's the one who's ultimately responsible for the decline in professional wrestling since he was the guy who practically killed WCW. And the loss of WCW ultimately hurt the quality of WWE.

Height of the wrestling business was under Russo, WWE ratings fell off since, Height of TNA's ratings were under Russo, ratings fell off since. He also brought the ratings from 2.5 to 3.5 in 3 months when he arrived at WCW, WCW no longer around.
 
Height of the wrestling business was under Russo, WWE ratings fell off since, Height of TNA's ratings were under Russo, ratings fell off since. He also brought the ratings from 2.5 to 3.5 in 3 months when he arrived at WCW, WCW no longer around.

From what I remember WWE's highest ratings actually occurred post-Russo. Russo is also the reason TNA lost a major TV deal. WCW's ratings also nosedived under Russo not to mention one of the most infamous moments in wrestling history (Arquette winning the title) was his brain child idea.

Russo was so bad in WCW that people legitimately think he was a Vince sleeper agent.
 
Height of the wrestling business was under Russo, WWE ratings fell off since, Height of TNA's ratings were under Russo, ratings fell off since. He also brought the ratings from 2.5 to 3.5 in 3 months when he arrived at WCW, WCW no longer around.
Because he killed WCW and is responsible for the almost death of tna.
 
The height of TNA's and WWE's ratings were under Russo, that's not disputable

WCW was already near death when he arrived, why do you think they fired Bischoff? Because he was doing such a great job? lol So obviously that's number one reason why Bischoff can't stop hating him, he got his ass fired and he replaced him. Same with Cornette, got him fired and replaced also. Jealousy
 
They also rehired Bischoff after Russo failed in WCW the first time.

And like we said, Russo is also the reason WCW died and he crippled TNA in a way that they never recovered from. History has shown that Vince Russo is not a long-term solution at all and he was only successful when he had Vince McMahon as a filter.
 
It was a big deal but FAR from cool, during that same era Pro Wrasslin was mocked in Hollywood as being for cavemen (see Woody Allen 80's films)



Vince Russo pretty much the only mind in the business to save the industry

Cornette would be 100 times better for the industry today.
 
Wreslting needs more outsiders to bring a fresh prospective. Guys like Russo and cornette are too entrenched in their views to make a difference

WWE has been hiring outsiders to the writing team for years and years. They've been awful.
 
I would go as far as saying at minimum half of the stuff in 98 and 99 was garbage. The superstars like Austin/Rock/etc. hitting their peak overshadowed a LOT of trash.
 
It's blowing my mind that there's a guy in 2017 who thinks Russo is a great writer.

I don't think that Russo is a great writer, but he was bold. I miss that fearlessness in today's product and I think you can do it with other people who aren't Russo. Russo was just so good at actually working with Vince to actually pull the trigger on stuff. Without that kind of voice now, it is the most bland/predictable storytelling and booking imaginable.
 
I don't think that Russo is a great writer, but he was bold. I miss that fearlessness in today's product and I think you can do it with other people who aren't Russo. Russo was just so good at actually working with Vince to actually pull the trigger on stuff. Without that kind of voice now, it is the most bland/predictable storytelling and booking imaginable.

I missed Russo giving mid carded gimmicks, but now NXT guys come up with solid characters. And can wrestle. Russo would scratch his head at Nakamura and Owens.
 
For about 8 months maybe. (A huge part due to WWE getting Angle, Benoit, Guerrero, Malenko, and Saturn) What happened in the 20 years after that?

WCW died (wtg Russo) and Vince changed all his plans and let his ego and desire of beating and burying WCW get in the way of telling a good story.


And then Austin and Rock left a few short years later and they had no mainstream, as in beyond just wrestling, stars.
 
Cornette would be 100 times better for the industry today.

Real talk, I'd love for WWE to give Cornette a seat at the writing table again. He's back in their good graces, having done the HOF this year and a few shows for the Network. He'd at least be a good filter for all the dogshit coming out of the writer's room these days.
 
The Attitude Era is great if you only remember the main event and tag team scenes. The midcard was honestly the drizzling shits and the womens division was some of the most sexist shit I've ever seen

1996 WWF was the best year in terms of quality anyways

I'm more partial to mid 1997. The Hart Foundation was a solid heel alternative to the NWO, which was becoming increasingly bloated by that time. It was also the year where Mankind and Stone Cold Steve Austin were coming into their own, and when HHH's prominence was at that time was still kept in check. I really wish Bret had stayed in WWF. His heel turn is probably one of the more underrated things from that era.
 
The Attitude Era is great if you only remember the main event and tag team scenes. The midcard was honestly the drizzling shits and the womens division was some of the most sexist shit I've ever seen

1996 WWF was the best year in terms of quality anyways

What? the midcard was great in the attitude, not in match quality, but the characters were awesome.

Even the undercard were able to get bigger pops than most of the wrestlers today, and only the guys like meat or chaz were meet with crickets.

But for the most part, you had rikishi, the radicals, jericho, steve blackman, the brood, the godfather, al snow, kaientai, etc

As terrible, racist and mysoginist the booking of russo could get, his strongest point always has been giving the undercard/midcard something that could make the crowd care about them
 
Russo claims that the name "Total Nonstop Action" came from him and that the original concept was, as they were exclusive to pay-per-view, to be an edgier product than WWE; the initials of the company "TNA" being a play on "T&A", short for "Tits and Ass"


Russo created his own faction of wrestlers he dubbed Sports Entertainment Xtreme (S.E.X.),

I am happy to have this idiotic manchild away from wrestling forever.
 
What? the midcard was great in the attitude, not in match quality, but the characters were awesome.

Even the undercard were able to get bigger pops than most of the wrestlers today, and only the guys like meat or chaz were meet with crickets.

But for the most part, you had rikishi, the radicals, jericho, steve blackman, the brood, the godfather, al snow, kaientai, etc

As terrible, racist and mysoginist the booking of russo could get, his strongest point always has been giving the undercard/midcard something that could make the crowd care about them

Jericho August 1999
Rikishi Nov 1999
the radicals 2000
al snow 1999

Russo left October 1999. So another mid-carder lots.
 
Jericho August 1999
Rikishi Nov 1999
the radicals 2000
al snow 1999

Russo left October 1999. So another mid-carder lots.

I talked about that era in general, under russo there were things like the oddities, the mean street posse, d'lo brown, dx and the nation when they were midcarders, etc
 
He's not why WWF had success period. Proof is that when he left it actually got better.

And WCW died.


And we're 20 years later. Not of that Attitude shit works in 2017.

What were the ratings trend after he left and when he was last there? Hint: it went up with him and down after him

WCW was dead when he arrived
 
What were the ratings trend after he left and when he was last there? Hint: it went up with him and down after him

WCW was dead when he arrived

Russo: "If you go back and look at the shows, that I wrote, you will see the number far increased when I was hired to book in WCW. I came in and the rating was a 2.6. The first time I went home, the rating was a 3.4, after three months, and anyone can look that up, because it is on the record."

McNeill: Not exactly. Vince Russo jumped to WCW in the first weekend of October 1999. The September 27, 1999 episode of Nitro, written by a lame-duck pre-Russo booking committee, drew a 3.0. Still, 3.4 is a big increase over 3.0, right?

Again, not exactly. The comparison between Nitro in September 1999 and January 2000 isn't exactly apples to apples. Why? Because in September, Eric Bischoff was producing three-hour episodes of Nitro. Russo had Nitro cut back to two hours in January 2000 before he was fired. If you remove the third hour of Nitro, it gives greater weight to the first (unopposed) hour of Nitro. The average of the ratings for the first two hours of the 9/27/99 Nitro was a 3.3. But 3.4 is still a better rating than 3.3, so WCW was doing better, right?

Well, not exactly. You see, thanks to taking Nitro back to two hours, WCW lost a whole hour's worth of prime time television ad revenue for Nitro. Every week. And let's not forget that the pay-per-view buyrates dropped from a 0.35 for Fall Brawl 1999 to a 0.23 for Starrcade 1999, under Vince Russo's watch.

Russo: "One of the lowest ratings periods when I was in WCW was from January 2000 through April 2000. (Other newsletter writer) gave me credit for those three months, when the ratings were somewhere around a 2.5."

McNeill: This time, Russo is correct. The rating for the final WCW Nitro before Russo took over again (the 3/26/00 edition) was a 2.5. Vince Russo surely deserves credit for any increase during his second run in WCW. After all, by the time of his last show as WCW booker, the October 2, 2000 episode of Nitro, Russo had bumped the rating all the way up to, uh, 2.6.

But hey! The pay-per-view buyrates in Russo's second run moved all the way from 0.13 for WCW Uncensored 2000 to 0.16 for WCW Fall Brawl 2000. So that's another positive.

Russo (on David Arquette winning the WCW Title): "The next day we were on the cover of USA Today, which we would never have been on in a million years, if somebody other than David Arquette had won the title. And basically, that's what it was all about. People can pick it apart, and people can read into it, and people can say whatever they want to say, but at that time, it achieved what I wanted it to achieve, and that's the name of that tune."

McNeill: After Arquette won the WCW Title on the 4/26/00 edition of WCW Thunder, ratings for Nitro the next week dropped from a 3.0 to a 2.5. The buyrate for Slamboree 2000, where Arquette had his first and last pay-per-view title defense, was a 0.14, down from a 0.25 buy for the previous WCW pay-per-view. But I have to give Russo the benefit of the doubt there, since I still have no idea what he wanted to achieve.

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From what I remember WWE's highest ratings actually occurred post-Russo. Russo is also the reason TNA lost a major TV deal. WCW's ratings also nosedived under Russo not to mention one of the most infamous moments in wrestling history (Arquette winning the title) was his brain child idea.

Russo was so bad in WCW that people legitimately think he was a Vince sleeper agent.

I don't think any one person was responsible for the decline in the early 00's. The massively inflated casual audience brought in by the Austin / McMahon feud and NWO / Goldberg streak in the late 90's simply left once those story lines got stale.
 
Raw ratings didn't go down after he left.

No shit the ratings did not decrease the millisecond he left, it's called upward momentum , but if you were to look at something called a graph you would notice that it has gone down overall since he has left..... A LOT

While its competitors like MNF have only gone up, Russo beat MNF. Has heyman, Bischoff or Cornette done that? Or anyone else?
 
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