Karma Kramer said:PS2 vs. Xbox vs. Gamecube ----> Rinse and repeat ---> Wii vs PS3 vs 360
oh wait.
Exactly. PS2 sells more in the early stages, and maintains lead. Now Wii is selling more.
Karma Kramer said:PS2 vs. Xbox vs. Gamecube ----> Rinse and repeat ---> Wii vs PS3 vs 360
oh wait.
Parl said:Exactly. PS2 sells more in the early stages, and maintains lead. Now Wii is selling more.
nextgeneration said:Yes, month on month basis for each of the console's first 8 months, including the months of November and December. If we were to remove those months, the outsell ratio would go above 2, but would not be anywhere near 4.
The PS2 was selling well above 200k/monthly from January through July.
Absolutely. The sad thing is that as little sense as it makes I'm fully expecting him to be right.gollumsluvslave said:However, if Sporks is correct and the Core isn't dropping by the same as the Premium, then MS is certifiably insane:
Utterly batshit mental... so I'm fully expecting it.artredis1980 said:The Core will drop to 279
The Premium will drop to 349
The Elite will drop to 449
ahhartredis1980 said:I have it coming from a reliable source that CURRENTLY
The Core will drop to 279
The Premium will drop to 349
The Elite will drop to 449
This will clear out the inventory of the Premium which is the most manufactured 360 and the most sold as they know Premium will sell the most until the demand for Elites pick up in 2008. Elites and Cores have relatively the same manufacturing percentage: low at the moment until FALL this year.
When the 65 nm processor falcons are introduced across all SKUs, the holiday season, a month or so after Halo 3 will see the core drop to $249, The Premium will drop to $299 and the Elite will drop to $399
The Core, Premium and Elite Falcons will have a redesigned motherboard which includes HDMI across all SKUs, a quieter DVD Drive and the falcons will STILL have an extra fan heatsink as Microsoft is not prepared to take anymore risks.
The Falcon will reduce the cost to manufacture the Xbox 360 CPU and GPU by ~40-50% but Microsoft will incure additional costs on the new fans and HDMI across all SKUs. Still at the 249,299 and 399 price, Microsoft will expect a profit from the console by early 2008 when the Q4 results are announced
Makes sense. Can you tell us where your source is from, Microsoft or retail?artredis1980 said:I have it coming from a reliable source that CURRENTLY
The Core will drop to 279
The Premium will drop to 349
The Elite will drop to 449
This will clear out the inventory of the Premium which is the most manufactured 360 and the most sold as they know Premium will sell the most until the demand for Elites pick up in 2008. Elites and Cores have relatively the same manufacturing percentage: low at the moment until FALL this year.
When the 65 nm processor falcons are introduced across all SKUs, the holiday season, a month or so after Halo 3 will see the core drop to $249, The Premium will drop to $299 and the Elite will drop to $399
The Core, Premium and Elite Falcons will have a redesigned motherboard which includes HDMI across all SKUs, a quieter DVD Drive and the falcons will STILL have an extra fan heatsink as Microsoft is not prepared to take anymore risks.
The Falcon will reduce the cost to manufacture the Xbox 360 CPU and GPU by ~40-50% but Microsoft will incure additional costs on the new fans and HDMI across all SKUs. Still at the 249,299 and 399 price, Microsoft will expect a profit from the console by early 2008 when the Q4 results are announced.
EDIT: Clearing out inventory of 90nm so they mostly have 65nm on shelves this holiday season
The Premium will drop to $299
artredis1980 said:I have it coming from a reliable source that CURRENTLY
The Core will drop to 279
The Premium will drop to 349
The Elite will drop to 449
This will clear out the inventory of the Premium which is the most manufactured 360 and the most sold as they know Premium will sell the most until the demand for Elites pick up in 2008. Elites and Cores have relatively the same manufacturing percentage: low at the moment until FALL this year.
When the 65 nm processor falcons are introduced across all SKUs, the holiday season, a month or so after Halo 3 will see the core drop to $249, The Premium will drop to $299 and the Elite will drop to $399
The Core, Premium and Elite Falcons will have a redesigned motherboard which includes HDMI across all SKUs, a quieter DVD Drive and the falcons will STILL have an extra fan heatsink as Microsoft is not prepared to take anymore risks.
The Falcon will reduce the cost to manufacture the Xbox 360 CPU and GPU by ~40-50% but Microsoft will incure additional costs on the new fans and HDMI across all SKUs. Still at the 249,299 and 399 price, Microsoft will expect a profit from the console by early 2008 when the Q4 results are announced.
EDIT: Clearing out inventory of 90nm so they mostly have 65nm on shelves this holiday season
artredis1980 said:I have it coming from a reliable source that CURRENTLY
The Core will drop to 279
The Premium will drop to 349
The Elite will drop to 449
This will clear out the inventory of the Premium which is the most manufactured 360 and the most sold as they know Premium will sell the most until the demand for Elites pick up in 2008. Elites and Cores have relatively the same manufacturing percentage: low at the moment until FALL this year.
When the 65 nm processor falcons are introduced across all SKUs, the holiday season, a month or so after Halo 3 will see the core drop to $249, The Premium will drop to $299 and the Elite will drop to $399
The Core, Premium and Elite Falcons will have a redesigned motherboard which includes HDMI across all SKUs, a quieter DVD Drive and the falcons will STILL have an extra fan heatsink as Microsoft is not prepared to take anymore risks.
The Falcon will reduce the cost to manufacture the Xbox 360 CPU and GPU by ~40-50% but Microsoft will incure additional costs on the new fans and HDMI across all SKUs. Still at the 249,299 and 399 price, Microsoft will expect a profit from the console by early 2008 when the Q4 results are announced.
EDIT: Clearing out inventory of 90nm so they mostly have 65nm on shelves this holiday season
I spoke with a friend yesterday and speculated that Microsoft made the right decision in dropping 50 off the premium now and then another 50 around Halo 3 time to really put hurt on the competition, though I speculated this based on the chance of Sony releasing a 399 sku sometime this winter. I thought that if Sony released a 399 sku Microsoft would definitely drop another 50 if not they would be fine with their 50 price cut.artredis1980 said:I have it coming from a reliable source that CURRENTLY
The Core will drop to 279
The Premium will drop to 349
The Elite will drop to 449
This will clear out the inventory of the Premium which is the most manufactured 360 and the most sold as they know Premium will sell the most until the demand for Elites pick up in 2008. Elites and Cores have relatively the same manufacturing percentage: low at the moment until FALL this year.
When the 65 nm processor falcons are introduced across all SKUs, the holiday season, a month or so after Halo 3 will see the core drop to $249, The Premium will drop to $299 and the Elite will drop to $399
The Core, Premium and Elite Falcons will have a redesigned motherboard which includes HDMI across all SKUs, a quieter DVD Drive and the falcons will STILL have an extra fan heatsink as Microsoft is not prepared to take anymore risks.
The Falcon will reduce the cost to manufacture the Xbox 360 CPU and GPU by ~40-50% but Microsoft will incure additional costs on the new fans and HDMI across all SKUs. Still at the 249,299 and 399 price, Microsoft will expect a profit from the console by early 2008 when the Q4 results are announced.
EDIT: Clearing out inventory of 90nm so they mostly have 65nm on shelves this holiday season
A mere $40-50 drop won't clear anything. Defective units will stay on store shelves for a while. And that holiday season drop is just a horseshit.artredis1980 said:I have it coming from a reliable source that CURRENTLY
The Core will drop to 279
The Premium will drop to 349
The Elite will drop to 449
This will clear out the inventory of the Premium which is the most manufactured 360 and the most sold as they know Premium will sell the most until the demand for Elites pick up in 2008. Elites and Cores have relatively the same manufacturing percentage: low at the moment until FALL this year.
When the 65 nm processor falcons are introduced across all SKUs, the holiday season, a month or so after Halo 3 will see the core drop to $249, The Premium will drop to $299 and the Elite will drop to $399
The Core, Premium and Elite Falcons will have a redesigned motherboard which includes HDMI across all SKUs, a quieter DVD Drive and the falcons will STILL have an extra fan heatsink as Microsoft is not prepared to take anymore risks.
The Falcon will reduce the cost to manufacture the Xbox 360 CPU and GPU by ~40-50% but Microsoft will incure additional costs on the new fans and HDMI across all SKUs. Still at the 249,299 and 399 price, Microsoft will expect a profit from the console by early 2008 when the Q4 results are announced.
EDIT: Clearing out inventory of 90nm so they mostly have 65nm on shelves this holiday season
artredis1980 said:I have it coming from a reliable source
Even if microsoft dropped the core 360 to 199 the effect on a 249.99 Wii would be insignificant. "Wii" is gaining an "ipod" like status if it already hasn't.schuelma said:Re: Wii. I do agree that price is some of the appeal, but IMO even if it was 350 it would still be selling well. Due to a ton of things going perfectly for Nintendo, Wii= hip and cool and Apple etc,. It is completely mainstream and I bet you a lot of people wanting one were pleasantly surprised when they found out it was only 250. So no, I don't think the Core going down to 250 will effect much of anything. It may take away a few people that previously couldn't afford a 360 but will now take the plunge, but honestly..when you have people lining up on Sunday morning in JULY you're going to sell as many as you can make, period.
Jirotrom said:Even if microsoft dropped the core 360 to 199 the effect on a 249.99 Wii would be insignificant. "Wii" is gaining an "ipod" like status if it already hasn't.
Yeah, I don't think price is what's causing the Wii to sell as it is. It simply helps.schuelma said:Yeah that's basically my point. It might steal a few people, but not enough to make a dent in the insane demand.
snack said:Well, the $50 price-drop is going to make 360s sell like hot-cakes, especially if they can bungle a memory card or a 20gb hard-drive with the core.
sionyboy said:
Are you for real? PS3 and 360 are in direct competition, so how the **** is someone going to buy a $499 console over the $349 console. Yeah, Microsoft didn't even have to drop the price.Nuclear Muffin said:Not good enough MS! You're gonna need a drop of $100 to make a real impact, after 1.75 or so years $50 is just stingy and it will be seen as such by the public.
This is your only chance to stay ahead of the Wii, do the right thing and drop the price on all the SKUs by $100! Bundle a memory card with the core and sell it for $245 if you have to! (That way it'll be cheaper than the Wii but it can still actually be used to play something!)
Drop it by $100 by the time Halo 3 launches and you'll clean up this holiday! (Especially since you can advertise your console as "HALF THE PRICE OF THE PS3!" and watch the casuals scramble into stores screaming for Halo 3 and GTA 4!)
snack said:Are you for real? PS3 and 360 are in direct competition, so how the **** is someone going to buy a $499 console over the $349 console. Yeah, Microsoft didn't even have to drop the price.
artredis1980 said:I have it coming from a reliable source that CURRENTLY
The Core will drop to 279
The Premium will drop to 349
The Elite will drop to 449
This will clear out the inventory of the Premium which is the most manufactured 360 and the most sold as they know Premium will sell the most until the demand for Elites pick up in 2008. Elites and Cores have relatively the same manufacturing percentage: low at the moment until FALL this year.
When the 65 nm processor falcons are introduced across all SKUs, the holiday season, a month or so after Halo 3 will see the core drop to $249, The Premium will drop to $299 and the Elite will drop to $399
The Core, Premium and Elite Falcons will have a redesigned motherboard which includes HDMI across all SKUs, a quieter DVD Drive and the falcons will STILL have an extra fan heatsink as Microsoft is not prepared to take anymore risks.
The Falcon will reduce the cost to manufacture the Xbox 360 CPU and GPU by ~40-50% but Microsoft will incure additional costs on the new fans and HDMI across all SKUs. Still at the 249,299 and 399 price, Microsoft will expect a profit from the console by early 2008 when the Q4 results are announced.
EDIT: Clearing out inventory of 90nm so they mostly have 65nm on shelves this holiday season
Jirotrom said:"Wii" is gaining an "ipod" like status if it already hasn't.
What does any of what you've just said have anything to do with gaining iPod status?KeithFranklin said:Please, dont kid yourself. Game Consoles have been around far to long for anyone console to gain so called ipod status. See Playstation 3 for perfect example.
snack said:Are you for real? PS3 and 360 are in direct competition, so how the **** is someone going to buy a $499 console over the $349 console. Yeah, Microsoft didn't even have to drop the price.
Souldriver said:What does any of what you've just said have anything to do with gaining iPod status?
Don't iPods play games now?KeithFranklin said:Because no console will get that so called iPod status.
irfan said:$50 price drop is not significant. The things I'm waiting for (& others too) is the inclusion of HDMI and fixing the failure rate.
artredis1980 said:I
EDIT: Clearing out inventory of 90nm so they mostly have 65nm on shelves this holiday season
KeithFranklin said:Only thing that doesnt make sense is the cost difference between Core and Premium. The Core needs to come with some sort of storage device or that pricing will be to close.
C4Lukins said:That Core pricing makes zero sense unless they include storage.
That's ridiculous.irfan said:$50 price drop is not significant.
At least they're dropping the price. I bet when the Wii has a "pricedrop", in about a year, they'll just be adding a $210 Wii without Wii Sports. Multiple SKUs, no real price drop and they'll have been making even more money on it over the years without passing along the savings to the consumer. I bet the Core will be cheaper by then, too. If Sony or Microsoft followed a similar policy with their price drops, it would be a screwup of epic proportions.charlequin said:Wow. It's really entertaining watching MS and Sony scramble for first place in the Who Can Drop The Price The Most Crappily award, but jeez. :lol A $50 pricedrop does nothing to get most people off the couch and into a Premium, and bringing the Core closer to the Premium's price makes its already terrible value proposition significantly worse! Even that second-price-drop idea doesn't make a lot of sense with the core going to $249, though at least it'd be nice to see a $299 Premium system.
nostradumbass, is that you?Sharp said:At least they're dropping the price. I bet when the Wii has a "pricedrop", in about a year, they'll just be adding a $210 Wii without Wii Sports. Multiple SKUs, no real price drop and they'll have been making even more money on it over the years without passing along the savings to the consumer. I bet the Core will be cheaper by then, too. If Sony or Microsoft followed a similar policy with their price drops, it would be a screwup of epic proportions.
No, this is devilsadvocate but thanks for playing.bune duggy said:nostradumbass, is that you?