I would have to say by choice, definitely. If there were 6 enemy pilots all with the ability to call in titans and the map was populated by AI that could also kill you the game would just be frustrating.
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XB1: Microsoft Claims that Cloud Computing Can Provide Power of 3 XB1's, 32 X360's
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I would have to say by choice, definitely. If there were 6 enemy pilots all with the ability to call in titans and the map was populated by AI that could also kill you the game would just be frustrating.
jordan0386
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your home internet is always on, unless you don't pay the bill.
So, in theory paying bills is not appealing to you.
Do you believe that stage magic is real and the things that happen in pro wrestling aren't pre-planned?
Jimmyfenix
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I am having some fish and chips. I need some Secret Sauce ASAP.
BigSpleenRupture
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All you did was resort to a personal attack, I am not getting dragged into that nonsense. Again, the ways games are made, online infrastructure, having to always be online, no one is making games that would take advantage of the cloud even IF what ms said is true, which it isn't. Cloud can help in some small cases. 3 times as powerfull is cringe worthy bad PR>
Ol No Bones
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3 xb1s in the cloud 1 locally. I guess that equals 4.
They really need to put up or shut up. The physics demo was pretty cool and Spencer said wasn't throwaway work but we really need to see real world applications of what it can improve.
Firstly, regarding the bolded...
Titanfall's AI isn't bad due to cloud limitations. The grunts are designed to be easy to kill, and the AI for the Auto Titans is actually pretty good. If the game was p2p then all the unit AI would need to be calculated on one host's Xbox whilst running the rest of the game, and would be dependant on that person having a completely fucking solid upload in order to maintain smooth gameplay.
And BF4 didn't use MS' cloud.. if anything the difference between how it has fared compared to Titanfall is an argument in favour of their cloud service.
AI in offline games is not the same thing as online. I've had to make this point so many times on this forum that I've lost count. Outrun has tons of AI traffic offline, but that all disappears once you go online. Traffic is absolutely fundamental to the Outrun experience so why would this be the case?
It's because keeping all the traffic synced for all the players is not a trivial task in an online game. When you're offline the game can ignore any traffic not in your immediate vicinity, and generate traffic only as you approach it. Translate that to online where suddenly there's 8 different racers all scattered at different points of the track (maybe not even in the same stage) and suddenly these shortcuts stop working. Similarly with Titanfall every AI unit has to be doing there thing everywhere on the map at once, not just the ones you see. This is not comparable to the smaller groups of event triggered AI you typically see in single player games.
So can we quit making that argument now?
TheFurizzlyBear
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The AI is handled server-side, that and dedicated servers is the use of the cloud. I did not say it was great use of it and I even called out that they need to show us a big use of it for the hate to cool some. As the Last Hours of Titanfall showed, the game had a troubled development which led to it being kinda bare and not great looking. I'd be willing to be that Titanfall 2 (Fall Harder) will have a single player, a larger weapon count, customizability and probably a bigger use of "the cloud." I just don't see why everybody gets worked up by Cloud talk. It does not seem worth getting upset about.
Kazuma Kiryu
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Well, if you say so. Maybe it's as true as the "X1 outsold PS4 in the UK" false information you started spreading a few weeks ago, I guess.
BigSpleenRupture
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Again what does cloud do for it??? bad AI, low FPS and resolution?? That only underscores thet point how foolish MS statements are. Destiny and the division are on ps4 and most likely will run and look better. MS cloud indeed.
Nah man, here's some rare footage of the Xbox one using the power of the cloud.
The cloud seems to be both prudish and sexist.
TheRealTalker
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Cloud downgrade
figadapaura
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I like the girl's 'Really. Really?' face
Haha, hopefully everyone else watching had the same response.
BigSpleenRupture
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Ah they purposely made bad AI got ya...lmao. YEah this cloud nonsense is nonsense in the way MS is talking about. MS is not saying it will help with small processes like AI, they are saying 3 times as powerfull..............they are clearly indicating graphics power and over all grunt.
That's the entire point of them, they're only there as a means to getting your Titan faster and to help out not so good players so that they can also contribute to the game.
Corleth the Fey
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Why don't you list some Xbox One games that are clearly utilising the 'times 3' cloud power, to bring us never seen before next gen experiences then? You'll make Steev look right silly. I mean it's true and all, you just said so.
You have numbers that says Titanfall has outsold Forza? I thought Forza did pretty well initially.
As to your other point, none of the games you're mentioning have been shown to use compute power in the cloud equivalent to what MS is stating in this thread.
The claim is misleading and disingenuous and meant to be so.
Cthulhu_Steev
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Then it can clearly provide far more compute power than 3 x xbones, so why are they sticking with that small a number? Are they going with what's practical for small packets of data that can be processed asynchronously (like drivatar data) and therefore the console doesn't need to be always-online? Or saying that 3x is the limit you'll be allocated to Azure on the very best of days? Then why don't they just say 'We can enhance your gaming with online compute in certain types of games, but you probably won't be getting 3x better graphics' and be a bit more honest about it? Of course, that doesn't get them a marketing bullshit point which some people don't even critically question, so you don't need to answer that.
How is the Cloud possible? Who pays for all this extra compute? You can't even browse the internet without a gold sub, they could've filled the xbone with a better GPU, but they didn't, and yet they're going to give you something that's more expensive, as long as you own an xbone and net connection. For no extra cost.
Mostly because it's PR to attempt to make a weaker console sound more powerful than the competition when in reality it isn't. It's basically saying "thanks to the cloud, the XBO is actually 3x more powerful than the specs show, therefore the PS4 isn't the most powerful this gen.
That's why people get worked up over "cloud" talk. If it's really 3x XBO's in power and the 360 can also take advantage of the cloud as evidenced by Titanfall, does that mean a 360 connected to the cloud is over 3x as powerful as a non-cloud connected XBO? It's all bullshit.
Prototype Viktor
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No need to have power levels in the form of K-On characters
Rimon-hanit
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PR is funny it's like literally the CELL all over again.
BigSpleenRupture
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HUH??? Titanfall has not outsold killzone.................
Ol No Bones
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Oh yeah the latency while gathering that attack is really bad but he used it effectively a few times but he always needed help distracting the enemy. But the Xbox one is alone because the dgpu is not there to help.
strangedopamine
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This is nowhere near as good as the PS3 -> PS4 Dragon Ball Z power level comparison chart. Step your game up Microsoft Japan!
It's possible in Japan because they have way better internet than the U.S., the problem is nobody will really do cloud rendering if they are spending resources on building games for the entire world instead of just Japan. So unless the game will never make it out of Japan, it's a useless feature. Considering that the majority of games made in Japan are cel-shaded anime style graphics...... They don't need that feature to start with, I really couldn't give less shit about One Piece or a Tales game that's ray traced. Could be interesting to see what SE "could" do with it but I doubt they'd ever really bother.
Caayn
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Do you even know how to respond like a normal person? To have a discussion like a normal person? All you're doing is laughing it off like a child who can't come with a decent argument. Things as lmoa, lol, BS are not arguments.
I don't know if you know this but Xbox could use a leg-up in Japan. Getting moe culture involved with selling an ugly cable box-looking console is probably a good bet.
Black Mantis
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Calm down and read the post you quoted again...
BigSpleenRupture
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Is that seriously all you got from my post?... Seriously?
All i got was useless speculation that has nothing to do with MS saying 3 times as powerfull consoile....They have not shown 1 thing that could not be done better on ps4. Whats the excuse going to be when titanfall comes to ps4 and performs better? Sony has a better cloud?
What I don't get is why everyone acts like this is impossible. I mean, cloud computing has been around for a good long while. It's not like this is some brand new technology. There may not be any great examples of it in the gaming environment, but I don't understand why people seem to think that MS saying they can triple the computational power of the Xbox with the cloud is such an outlandish claim when we've seen cloud computing doing just that in other fields for years.
Killzone is on XB1?
Ol No Bones
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Just to comment on titanfall Ai there are dozens of ais roaming the battlefield and outside to give the impression of an epic battle. Respawn has said at least a few times that the Ai is dumbed down intentionally and because that would be an awful clusterfuck if the Ais killed you with any ease. The titan Ai is pretty good but Its obvious that they wanted the challenge to come from human players and I'm so glad they did it that way.
JohnnyHustler
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Two things are holding the cloud technology back in terms of gaming right now:
1. It's a technology in its early stages, even in business. The company I work for uses cloud technology to compile and deliver reports for thousands of companies in retail. Even though we work in the cloud, we still have to battle the buzzword aspect (aka the pie in the sky bullshit) that sales people promise the cloud to be. It's not mature enough yet to deliver in the manner it takes to do what MS is promising. So, this application of cloud technology is one that won't be realized until much later in the gen.
And even then, we'll have to contend with...
2. Infrastructure issues. Let's face it, many areas (especially in the US) don't have anything close to the infrastructure necessary to deliver what the cloud could be capable of when it's a mature technology in gaming. I personally have a DSL connection that could pull it off - which is awesome considering I live in a rural area, but people just a few miles away in other towns are stuck with lesser connections or, even worse, something like satellite, which is high latency and has speed that are all over the place on a good day. So, even when the technology at the server/datacenter level is there, and programmers have figured out how to utilize it, the pipe that will deliver it may not yet be there for a good portion of the population.
So, while the technology is anything but bullshit, it's also not mature enough to handle the promises that are being made, and still dependent on outside factors that could still hinder adoption of cloud computing to the level MS envisions.
BigSpleenRupture
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YEs titanfall sold well because it uses the cloud............ the cloud has zero to do with ttianfall sales.
More Fun To Compute
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32 2d waifus for the price of one.
Personal attack? I think you are way to busy responding to everyone confirming this is BS to see my other response to you.
You keep saying "Always be online", but you need to be more specific. Do you mean specifically in game? If so, then yes, but with many games being multiplayer anyway thats not a big deal. Did you happen to see the MS demo of using the cloud and having more physics enabled by utilizing Azure? That is an example of what devs can do, but in the end its up to them to utilize it.
If what you're implying is true, I'm not sure why the government isn't powering our cyber defense servers with 360s and Xbox Ones. We're more vulnerable without the power of the Microsoft cloud on our side.
Now try the same thing in front of an auto Titan.
BigSpleenRupture
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You are the fourth person who said that, no need to be a parrot, I misread it obviously. Move on.