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[thepotatoman]

People need to understand that this hurts every single consumer. Everyone is going to have internet problems at some point even if just for a weekend. And even if you only buy new, used prices do a lot in helping to drive down those new prices. A big reason you can see games at 30 dollars new soon after launch is because they don't want gamestop to be able to push the used game advantage too much. The reason gamestop has to give you such a crappy deal on buying your game is they don't want to lose tons of money on that quick price drop.

And the thing is you're giving these things up for practically nothing. Literally the only thing announced that the One can do that the 360 can't is letting you not have to get up and change disks. Everything else, even if steam can't do it, the 360 can by virtue of giving someone the physical copy of your disk. Instead of moving a digital licence around you can just move your physical copy around, and with way less strings attached.

 

[Brawly Likes to Brawl]

These guys suck at their shitty jobs.

You'd think they would exercise some moderation or least make some OT posts to thin things out.

 

[Baby Milo]

Maybe MS is smart enough to realize this. If the XBone is region locked anyway maybe the Japan/Asia edition of the console won't have always online, mandatory kinnect and the horrible DRM. Would be interesting if they went that route. They are dead in the water without it though since there aren't any nation-wide chains like gamestop that deal with used games.

would be bullshit if MS pulled this

 

[BocoDragon]

An important thread. Take a long hard look at that list. Give it a minute or two... let it sink in. Now, think back about how you could share games with buddies, rent, etc. Step outside of that box of which corporation you prefer and look at this list from the perspective of someone who just wants to pop in a game and play it with no bullshit involved. Remember popping in a game on the Atari 2600, NES, the Genesis? Hell, the XBOX? Yeah... I thought so.

Hell... I built up an OG Xbox collection recently.

For the Xbox One, those would be useless coasters. I doubt I can "activate" them at GameStop 10 years down the line.

 

[brian!]

op leaving the thread kinda like a slow motion walkaway from an explosion

 

[PopcornMegaphone]

The precedent that Microsoft is making with this console is primed to destroy everything we love about gaming

I think the DRM is BS, but jesus christ, some posters have really lost it.

 

[RukusProvider]

Has anyone pointed out that some of those bullet points are incorrect yet?

No need. This is the pinnacle of the hysteria around the XB1.

 

[too much eslim]

The main problem is that MS decided not to be forward thinking into what if a person loses their internet for more than 3 days. Why should somebody have a useless game system.

 

[Moxx19]

Before I punch out, I offered ChimpanzeeThat an opportunity to correct the OP. He seems to have declined. If you have grievances with what has been posted, I'll correct them upon my return. Please be specific.

Yeah I've re-read over it like 5 times now and can't find any errors. What are the corrections needed?

 

[WanderingWind]

Nah, people are too busy posting from their 56k connections to keep up with that.

Last thing I will say on the matter, all of this is an eventuality. Just because Sony is not doing this (heck we have no idea) right now, does not mean it wont happen in the future regardless of how Xbox One performs. Many of you in this very thread have expressed interest in the all digital future, well this is a by product of an all digital future. Steam has done this and they have great sales that keep people happy, we do not know if MS will follow the same model, however IF they do, then personally I cannot complain.

The only thing that I dont like out of this that stands out, is the 24 hour check that is required.

The big issue is that Microsoft has shown they aren't like Steam in one very big way. I can play Steam games I bought 5 years ago. Come next year, with an Xbox One, I wouldn't be able to play the XBLA games I bought on the same account.

 

[RedNumberFive]

No need. This is the pinnacle of the hysteria around the XB1.

Again, I offered others a chance to correct it. As is, it's a bulleted list of exactly what Microsoft presented. If you think it's in error, please submit to us your corrections.

 

[Proelite]

I think the DRM is BS, but jesus christ, some posters have really lost it.

I am personally not a fan of posts attacking people over their purchase decisions.

To everyone who thinks that I am a Microsoft shill:

Xbone is going to bomb so hard this upcoming generation. PS4 is the better product all around.

 

[jrDev]

You guys are warned. No hanky panky infront of Kinect (unless you want to be porn stars; then carry on)

Lol :-/

 

[timmaysmittay]

I am personally not a fan of posts attacking people over their purchase decisions.

Haha yeah thats totally what you got attacked for.

 

[ironcreed]

Hell... I built up an OG Xbox collection recently.

For the Xbox One, those would be useless coasters. I doubt I can "activate" them at GameStop 10 years down the line.

Man, I loved the first Xbox. KotOR, Otogi, Fable, Halo, Ninja Gaiden, The Chronicles of Riddick, Jade Empire... no bullshit, etc. Those days are long fucking gone.

 

[WanderingWind]

I am personally not a fan of posts attacking people over their purchase decisions.

To everyone who thinks that I am a Microsoft shill:

Xbone is going to bomb so hard this upcoming generation. PS4 is the better product all around.

Oh, well, that settles that!

 

[Nutter]

The only thing GAF needs to realize is that any given day BLOPS II has 500K+ players playing online on Xbox LIVE.

The system is going to sell, regardless of what GAF does or does not do.

 

[les papillons sexuels]

Before I punch out, I offered ChimpanzeeThat an opportunity to correct the OP. He seems to have declined. If you have grievances with what has been posted, I'll correct them upon my return. Please be specific.

well, the last 2 points on both sell games freely and trade games freely are conjecture.

For example, "since there is less competition there will be less trade in credit" there is no evidence to suggest this at all. You're just assuming both, that there will be less competition, and that there is less credit from trade in.

"no independant game shops" is also conjecture, obviously if an indie game shop is getting game shipments from a publisher they may make arrangements with that publisher for trading/reselling games as well.

As for the sell games freely, it says neither of those 2 points. However the writing is unclear.

For game rentals, what evidence do we have to say that games cannot be rented?

 

[Router]

Again, I offered others a chance to correct it. As is, it's a bulleted list of exactly what Microsoft presented. If you think it's in error, please submit to us your corrections.

Well the "No lending games" could do with a correction. So could the "Cant disconnect kinect" although thats more about being able to disable it which is different. Although, since the bullet point infers that you cant stop it from "always watching, always listening" I'd say its fair enough to add it.

Thats all I can see from the list.

 

[789shadow]

I'm okay, I have fantastic internet!

*servers are hacked for months*

Worth it for no discs!

 

[thepotatoman]

Could you imagine a world where MS does exactly what Steam is doing? A world where people PRAISE MS?!

God helps us all...

Even if they 100% copied steam, they'd still be a closed platform where DRM like that is not necessary, and steam would be on an open platform where you don't have to use steam for everything.

The steam model just does not work for consoles.

 

[Captain Bluey]

None of this bothers me. If anything I would spread the word that it's not nearly as bad as it was made out to be.

This. Seriously, none of this bothers me at all. In fact, allowing up to 10 people to play the games I own freely on their own console is an awesome improvement. Cant wait.

 

[BocoDragon]

The only thing GAF needs to realize is that any given day BLOPS II has 500K+ players playing online on Xbox LIVE.

The system is going to sell, regardless of what GAF does or does not do.

At least we can knock em down a notch... make a "PS3 launch era" out of them.

And I don't believe in the foregone conclusion of people buying a product automatically because the last one was successful. Saturn? Wii U? Windows 8?

 

[BabeSlayer]

SKY IS FALLING!!!!

will still buy both consoles day one (call me part of the problem) I think it being connected is a good thing, I like the Kinect. I like DRM because I hate pirates and buy all my games legit, and understand how hard it is for companies when their products are stolen rather than purchased.

To each there own. Innovate/adapt/change or get left behind.

 

[RedNumberFive]

Well the "No lending games" could do with a correction. So could the "Cant disconnect kinect" although thats more about being able to disable it which is different. Although, since the bullet point infers that you cant stop it from "always watching, always listening" I'd say its fair enough to add it.

Thats all I can see from the list.

I disagree with the no lending games. I'm not sure how that's mistaken.

 

[disastermouse]

Online is great. It's the future of gaming. But you should convince us to be online by making great online (oh shit, I'm gonna say it - shoot me!) experiences. Making it mandatory is coercive and manipulative. It's something I have to worry about that I shouldn't HAVE to worry about. When my Internet connection goes out, I can't play Netflix, surf Gaf or Head-Fi or check my email - but I CAN play Skyrim or Mass Effect. Now I won't be able to do that for NO reason. Internet gaming is the future? You shouldn't have to compel me to do it, then.

 

[BocoDragon]

Online is great. It's the future of gaming. But you should convince us to be online by making great online (oh shit, I'm gonna say it - shoot me!) experiences. Making it mandatory is coercive and manipulative. It's something I have to worry about that I shouldn't HAVE to worry about. When my Internet connection goes out, I can't play Netflix, surf Gaf or Head-Fi or check my email - but I CAN play Skyrim or Mass Effect. Now I won't be able to do that for NO reason. Internet gaming is the future? You shouldn't have to compel me to do it, then.

Exactly.

These locks and restrictions are not "innovation" or "the digital future" or any of that spin.

 

[RedNumberFive]

well, the last 2 points on both sell games freely and trade games freely are conjecture.

For example, "since there is less competition there will be less trade in credit" there is no evidence to suggest this at all. You're just assuming it, both that there will be less competition, and that there is less credit from trade in.

"no independant game shops" is also conjecture, obviously if an indie game shop is getting game shipments from a publisher they may make arrangements with that publisher for trading/reselling games as well.

As for the sell games freely, it says neither of those 2 points. However the writing is unclear.

For game rentals, what evidence do we have to say that games cannot be rented?

I would disagree with your first point.

As for your second, you're right, but it seems unlikely. I'd be satisfied with a rewrite to that though.

For the third point, it seems pretty verbatim to what Microsoft's information stated.

I think you could read between the lines about the game rentals, but point taken.

Since it's alr1ght's image, I'll give him the opportunity to update it, and change the image if needed. I believe that just the facts should be presented, and I agree that some of the ambiguity could be cleared up. As mentioned earlier, I need to punch out for a bit, but I'll be back later. If alr1ght corrects the image, the OP should update itself.

 

[Qassim]

Spread the word that these companies are abusing the power that we gave to them by supporting and funding their closed, tightly controlled systems instead of supporting open platforms that can't be controlled by individual companies.

Don't buy the XBOne, give this other company your money. Support their closed platform and give them even more individual influence and power of the industry, give them, these companies designed to make profit and not promote the health of the art form, the influence over us and our beloved hobby.

This is why I hate this XBOne DRM and backwards compatibility nonsense, not because of what the platform holders are doing, but many people can't recognise that the real source of the problem.

That we're handing over control of a huge portion of the art form as we know it to these for-profit companies, and as some form of protest, instead of buying one system, we'll buy another companies system.

Go away.

 

[Router]

I disagree with the no lending games. I'm not sure how that's mistaken.

"No lending games" is false. Unless I'm misunderstanding this...

Give your family access to your entire games library anytime, anywhere: Xbox One will enable new forms of access for families. Up to ten members of your family can log in and play from your shared games library on any Xbox One. Just like today, a family member can play your copy of Forza Motorsport at a friend’s house. Only now, they will see not just Forza, but all of your shared games. You can always play your games, and any one of your family members can be playing from your shared library at a given time.

Give your games to friends: Xbox One is designed so game publishers can enable you to give your disc-based games to your friends. There are no fees charged as part of these transfers. There are two requirements: you can only give them to people who have been on your friends list for at least 30 days and each game can only be given once.

It has restrictions yeah, but its still lending games.

 

[WanderingWind]

SKY IS FALLING!!!!

will still buy both consoles day one (call me part of the problem) I think it being connected is a good thing, I like the Kinect. I like DRM because I hate pirates and buy all my games legit, and understand how hard it is for companies when their products are stolen rather than purchased.

To each there own. Innovate/adapt/change or get left behind.

Or...buy a competing product?

No, all change is an "innovation" that only stodgy old haters can't get behind, right?

 

[BocoDragon]

"No lending games" is false. Unless I'm misunderstanding this...

Give your family access to your entire games library anytime, anywhere: Xbox One will enable new forms of access for families. Up to ten members of your family can log in and play from your shared games library on any Xbox One. Just like today, a family member can play your copy of Forza Motorsport at a friend’s house. Only now, they will see not just Forza, but all of your shared games. You can always play your games, and any one of your family members can be playing from your shared library at a given time.

Give your games to friends: Xbox One is designed so game publishers can enable you to give your disc-based games to your friends. There are no fees charged as part of these transfers. There are two requirements: you can only give them to people who have been on your friends list for at least 30 days and each game can only be given once.[/b]

It has restrictions yeah, but its still lending games.

I guess it should rightfully say "no lending games freely" just as with the restrictions on used and trades.

 

[60_gig_PS3]

Oh, well, that settles that!

see unlike this guy, I'm not a jr member cheer-leading squad for Xbox one (probably loses his job if he gets outed)

Do all the background checks you want. I've been here since the dreamcast days. I was stripped of my medals so my tag is not what it seems.

 

[Proelite]

"No lending games" is false. Unless I'm misunderstanding this...

quoteGive your family access to your entire games library anytime, anywhere: Xbox One will enable new forms of access for families. Up to ten members of your family can log in and play from your shared games library on any Xbox One. Just like today, a family member can play your copy of Forza Motorsport at a friend’s house. Only now, they will see not just Forza, but all of your shared games. You can always play your games, and any one of your family members can be playing from your shared library at a given time.

Give your games to friends: Xbox One is designed so game publishers can enable you to give your disc-based games to your friends. There are no fees charged as part of these transfers. There are two requirements: you can only give them to people who have been on your friends list for at least 30 days and each game can only be given once.

It has restrictions yeah, but its still lending games.[/QUOTE]

Lending implies you're getting the game back. I don't think you can get your game back from your friend.

 

[krypt0nian]

Twitter and Facebook and reshared a bunch of times. Already got some oh hell no responses from major 360 fans.

 

[RedNumberFive]

"No lending games" is false. Unless I'm misunderstanding this...



It has restrictions yeah, but its still lending games.

That's a pretty broad definition of "lending". If you could truly lend games there wouldn't be a list of restrictions and hoops to jump through. I feel the wording is fine, as-is. I'm sure Microsoft will have a clever new definition for this action.

 

[Proelite]

see unlike this guy, I'm not a jr member cheer-leading squad for Xbox one (probably loses his job if he gets outed)

Do all the background checks you want. I've been here since the dreamcast days. I was stripped of my medals so my tag is not what it seems.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/member.php?u=13026

Joined 2006.
6,855 posts.

 

[Takuya]

Lending implies you're getting the game back. I don't think you can get your game back from your friend.

Yea, you can't, you're giving it to him, and he's stuck with it forever.

 

[subrock]

Saw this one on my Facebook feed the other day:

I love that this thing is so hated/feared that these anti-xbox ads are getting shared freely by non-gamers all over the place.

 

[Monsieur]

My roommate said he's gonna make posters and put them all around college campus.I wouldn't go that far but I will tell my family, friends and the like not to buy it though.

 

[WanderingWind]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/member.php?u=13026

Joined 2006.
6,855 posts.

Is it breast cancer? She didn't seem to provide any details on twitter.

Anyways Binged her.

Because people say "Binged" in casual conversation.

 

[timmaysmittay]

Spread the word that these companies are abusing the power that we gave to them by supporting and funding their closed, tightly controlled systems instead of supporting open platforms that can't be controlled by individual companies.

Don't buy the XBOne, give this other company your money. Support their closed platform and give them even more individual influence and power of the industry, give them, these companies designed to make profit and not promote the health of the art form, the influence over us and our beloved hobby.

This is why I hate this XBOne DRM and backwards compatibility nonsense, not because of what the platform holders are doing, but many people can't recognise that the real source of the problem.

That we're handing over control of a huge portion of the art form as we know it to these for-profit companies, and as some form of protest, instead of buying one system, we'll buy another companies system.

Go away.

Are you angry at economics? Boycotting something isn't futile because the alternative is also trying to make a buck, they are the ones who deserve it.

 

[Proelite]

Because people say "Binged" in casual conversation.

Who uses Google for porn anymore.

 

[PFD]

how does this destroy everything I love about gaming?

i love iOS. and steam.

but mainly iOS

I love iOS gaming, and thankfully it doesn't require an always on connection, which I don't have on my wifi-only ipad.

 

[WanderingWind]

Google censors all the good stuff.

Uh-huh. You're not getting paid enough for this.

 

[Returners]

This isn't about necessarily wanting to trade games or having a shit connection.

I've bought a shitload of games this gen, luckily I tend to make good purchases, I sold about 5 max.
I have a reliable fibre optic connection with unlimited bandwidth.

I could live without used/lending games. Online connection is no problem either... but I don't want to deal with these things. If we can change this for the better then we should, there is nothing about what XBone will implement which will benefit consumers.

This man speaks the truth.

The main reason why PC games fell out of obscurity in game stores. Inability to do anything with them once you entered the serial number.

I highly doubt that MS will have deals that rival Steam's on the PC. So no impulse buys either.

Remember how gaming used to be? Having friends over playing together, then we all went online to play together, and lent games to one another to try out in the workplace. Now we can't even do that no more.

 

[Proelite]

Uh-huh. You're not getting paid enough for this.

Weird. I didn't get my check for this thread yet.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=535416

 

[gohepcat]

Stop saying "we." I am not a part of this drama queen circle jerk.

Yes. Please stop dragging all of us into your embarrassing nervous breakdowns.

If this is bothering you this much you need to seriously reevaluate priorities in your life.

I was actually embarrassed today that I have the Neogaf logo pinned on my smartphone screen. This place has devolved into the worst kind of fanaticism, where none of us can get accurate, measured information and discussion about the industry.

Stop it.

 

[JohnMadden]

The problem is they're going to moneyhat a bunch of exclusives and make it to where it's going to be tough passing on it. But I think I will still pass on it. Hopefully PS4 is more reasonable otherwise I'm jumping out, PC and 3DS.

 

[WanderingWind]

Weird. I didn't get my check for this thread yet.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=535416

Weird how your supposed proof is full of branded imagery and asks us to reminisce about our favorite X-Box™ games.