That's the most offensive thing. Not only are they trying to manipulate public opinion, they think they can be this transparent about it and get away with it.
I guess I should be happy they aren't more competent.
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Xbox One - Help Spread the Word
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I guess I should be happy they aren't more competent.
Its like the videogame version of the occupy movement. Us normals will continue with life like usual and enjoy the Xbox One for what it is.
What? No, I'm angry at people complaining about the influence these companies have over the industry when it was them who gave them the influence. Closed, tightly controlled games systems were never, and never have been the only way to play video games, but enthusiasts have welcomed them without a care for the health of the industry.
Then when one company does something people don't like and start to suggest moving to another closed, controlled system - they're not solving the long term problem. They're solving a short term problem caused by the fact we're giving mainly three companies huge control over the games industry and thus the art form. Currently Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo.
This isn't about economics, this is about the health of the video game medium.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
You're free to leave.
Yeah, pretty much this.
Why did you edit your tag link over a year later?
edit: Oh I see why now.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6238109&postcount=237
I'm with you. Really looking forward to both systems. Excited to see what they will do.
"The game is then locked to this user forever."
Is this actually true? Microsoft said this:
"There are two requirements: you can only give them to people who have been on your friends list for at least 30 days and each game can only be given once."
Could that not mean a person may not give a game they own more than once? That needs to be clarified.
EDIT
I see this is already a point of discussion.
Is this actually true? Microsoft said this:
"There are two requirements: you can only give them to people who have been on your friends list for at least 30 days and each game can only be given once."
Could that not mean a person may not give a game they own more than once? That needs to be clarified.
EDIT
I see this is already a point of discussion.
No company and no product is so big it can't fail.
Money didn't make a success out of...
Windows 8
Zune
Bing
Internet Explorer
Windows Tablets
And consumers aren't as dumb as people would like to believe. Will Xbox sell? Yes, even N-Gage sold. Will it sell as well? That remains to be seen. The "core" market is influential and can shift the market away from a manufacture, a brand, and a product.
les papillons sexuels
Banned
Another one.
Nizz
Member
Glorified G
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Nash20
Junior Member
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10 posts. I refuse to believe this is just a coincidence anymore.
BluePigGanon
Member
I feel like this is overly dramatic. Being turned off by the Xbox One's peculiarities is one thing, but more or less trying to organize a boycott... with all the real issues worth railing against in the world...
I love games too. If only the Microsoft would change their plans and announce games for the console...
An old video, but one worthy of reposting:
Boogie discusses passionately the type of gamers this hurts the most - lower income families
Boogie discusses passionately the type of gamers this hurts the most - lower income families
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Yeah.. In fact your list indicates how Microsoft, in particular, has had a long history of forcing their version of a future that never comes.
Yes, because god forbid consumers stand up for their rights. Oh wait, its just vidiya gaemz amirite?
We thought current gen was a bloodbath? Next gen is going to be MUCH worse. By chasing after the used game boogyman, consumers are going to be more conscious of their purchases.
Sure the big blockbusters and publishers such as EA and Ubi will be fine, but the smaller developers will suffer from word of mouth and this kind of sharing aspect.
Sure the big blockbusters and publishers such as EA and Ubi will be fine, but the smaller developers will suffer from word of mouth and this kind of sharing aspect.
PopcornMegaphone
Banned
It's funny, actually. Sony and MS both have this problem.
Indie PC scene is doing fine.
UberTag
Member
Even if I loved everything about the Xbox One, I wouldn't support the product just out of principle of having my intelligence insulted by an unleashed barrage of PR shills who can't even be bothered to disguise their intentions.
My sympathies go out to the mods because I have to imagine these guys have been paid to flood in non-stop for the indefinite future.
Sweet Aunt Nancys Panties
Banned
Your friend is doing a great service by providing a lot of rolling paper for college kids.
amurica
Xbox One is all my fears confirmed. I hope the spreading of the word is successful, I'm not too sure though.
The direction of Xbox One is completely bonkers. They should have just made the system digital dl only, since most of the advantages of having a game on disc have been nuked. And since it uses online drm, it's not like Microsoft is looking out for consumers who need to buy a disc because they can't use the internet.
blaah
The direction of Xbox One is completely bonkers. They should have just made the system digital dl only, since most of the advantages of having a game on disc have been nuked. And since it uses online drm, it's not like Microsoft is looking out for consumers who need to buy a disc because they can't use the internet.
blaah
Baller. PhD
Banned
Exactly. This is infringing on consumer rights with no benefit to the consumer. It's worse than what we currently have and it violates my right of first sale. I don't care if it's video games or bubble gum, fuck violating my rights and fuck anyone who supports the company that does it.
BluePigGanon
Member
It kinda just is.
I dunno, clearly I'm not in the target demographic to "get" the righteous indignation going on about this. To me it's simple: you want it, buy it; you don't, then don't. MS can invent whatever kind of weirdo vision they want and consumers can either buy in to it or not... nobody's dying, gaming isn't being ruined, nobody's going to bring the industry to its knees. MS isn't violating anyone's "rights": they are setting terms and conditions, now it's your move.
Educating people about it, talking about it like grownups... okay, cool. Ranting like MS is Monsanto and actively trying to evangelize not buying a console with sketchy facts seems silly.
soundscream
Member
Lower income families shouldn't be buying $400+ video game boxes. $100-150 Wii/Xbox/PS3 should be where their money should go if at all.
Missing the point.
Why would anyone get paid to make 10 posts on a forum and be immediately banned, which apparently some of you are really rooting for/expecting. God forbid anyone offer a dissenting opinion.
……forgetit
Member
Currently trying to tell a friend why this is a bad thing and how it's different from PC gaming. He said Xbox live sales were comparable to steam sales....
Chiggs
Member
33 years-old, with a lot of disposable income. Hate to say it, but I cannot wait to *not* buy this system. Not a big fan of boycotts or stuff like that (many are misguided), but this is pretty lame.
As a consumer, my only real choice is to vote with my wallet. Your system sucks, Microsoft.
As a consumer, my only real choice is to vote with my wallet. Your system sucks, Microsoft.
Talking about mid tier console games here that are priced at $60, not indie games at a very affordable price. Unless it's a big game I don't see it doing well with the current restriction.
And if it's a gift? They won it in a prize? What then? They get fucked over? What if a kid saved up all his money working that summer job? What then? This is bullshit, I work with that low income demographic, and these policies are shit for them more then for anyone else.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Weird how you weren't about dissenting opinions a minute ago when you were on the "us normals" thing, huh?
So if Sony has equivalent DRM (obviously excluding the 24 hour online check-in bullshit), you won't buy a PS4 either?
Version 3.0
Member
The most important problem is not noted: that Xbox One games, and the system itself, being service-dependent, almost certainly have an "expiration date" beyond which they will cease to function.
The only possible defense against this is to say we "don't know" that it's true, but until Microsoft says otherwise (and I don't mean PR, I mean a written guarantee in the EULA / Xbox Live service agreement stating DRM will be disabled when games or the system itself reach a certain age), it's virtually certain.
The only possible defense against this is to say we "don't know" that it's true, but until Microsoft says otherwise (and I don't mean PR, I mean a written guarantee in the EULA / Xbox Live service agreement stating DRM will be disabled when games or the system itself reach a certain age), it's virtually certain.
Be careful. That type of talk will get you labeled a Microsoft shill. Also...they will spell Microsoft M$ so you know they are serious.
Funny. I'm really looking forward to this fall. Both PS4 and Xbox One look cool. I have nothing bad to say about either. I'm saddened that WiiU is struggling. Glad that PC gaming is still doing well. Looking forward to The Last Of Us. Just generally very positive about things....then I come here and it's just caterwauling.
Paper Sparrow
Member
What about in a few years, when the PS4/XBone/WiiU are around that price range?
