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[killatopak]

nah, anything over a few hours and clearly something went wrong.

why people are assuming the install is still working correctly 4 hours later, and not restarting the process, is beyond me. if it happened the second time i'd just take it back and tell the shop to fuck off

i don't have time for shoddy products and services. something this industry seems to be thriving on.

You have to wait for 4 hours to know that something went wrong?

 

[dancingphlower]

I was just experiencing this the other day while trying to play Lords of the Fallen. Ugh it took forever. On the hand PS4 installs are insanely fast.

 

[j3ff3]

are the install times terrible when you download a game?

not the total time, just the install time.

its pretty pathetic if i can dl data faster than the bone can install it locally.

i'm really struggling to see any of these manufacturers pushing the envelope at all.

 

[ShapeGSX]

Also since I'm venting here, how is blue ray movie player in the top apps in the store? Why is that an app?

Explain to me why it shouldn't be. Is being an app a bad thing for some reason? Why is that?

It is an app because the blu-ray player has to be updated periodically due to changing blu-ray movie specs. This way, the blu-ray player can be updated when required without needing the entire OS to be updated.

 

[j3ff3]

You have to wait for 4 hours to know that something went wrong?

no, i'm saying i have no idea why people are waiting 4 hours. i would've quit much earlier.

"luckily" i've only ever had to wait 45mins to an hour. with very little info provided to me by the OS.

effing annoying.

 

[RetroStu]

Wait don't the consoles give you a progress number/bar so you know where it is at? (i don't own either console yet).

 

[Hoo-doo]

Whenever I install a game on the XB1, I will either switch inputs and play the PC, PS4, or Wii U for a bit. And for a bit, I mean I play for the night and then check to see if the XB1 is done yet. Usually it's not, so I just leave it and play the game I wanted to play the next day.

The hell. I would flip a table if I came home with a new game and had to wait for hours. Seems completely backwards for a console.

 

[killatopak]

no, i'm saying i have no idea why people are waiting 4 hours.

i've only ever had to wait 45mins to an hour. with very little info provided to me by the OS.

effing annoying.

In any case, like I said earlier, this is one of the things that needed to be fixed as soon as possible. The earlier the better before it becomes a wide issue.

 

[j3ff3]

Wait don't the consoles give you a progress number/bar so you know where it is at? (i don't own either console yet).

a status bar with little to no useful information, especially when it doesn't distinguish between an update, download, or install, is pretty useless imo.

 

[Diablohead]

If you want disc installs to go as fast as they allow it's best to put the xbox into offline mode so it ignores downloading the latest update at the same time, you can always download the update afterwards, though if you want to play without the update you need to stay offline.

 

[RetroStu]

I don't own either console yet but the ridiculous sizes of the updates and patches would piss me off more. Not everyone has 100mb internet you know!.

 

[j3ff3]

If you want disc installs to go as fast as they allow it's best to put the xbox into offline mode so it ignores downloading the latest update at the same time, you can always download the update afterwards, though if you want to play without the update you need to stay offline.

it may work, but that is still ridiculous, and certainly not an excuse for the speed.

downloading should not slow a local install.

I don't own either console yet but the ridiculous sizes of the updates and patches would piss me off more. Not everyone has 100mb internet you know!.

more importantly its still pissing people off with 100mb connections.

this is a local problem. OS design is shoddy.

 

[Jeff-DSA]

If you want disc installs to go as fast as they allow it's best to put the xbox into offline mode so it ignores downloading the latest update at the same time, you can always download the update afterwards, though if you want to play without the update you need to stay offline.

Well, a lot of times these patches are fairly critical and go beyond just being able to play online. I'm always going to make sure that I have all current patches and updates installed before playing.

 

[AdmiralSnackbar]

Honest question: how are we just now hearing all these anecdotes some 12 months after the console launched?

I'm going to try to redbox GTA V and see.

Because none of us cared to buy one untill "white console + price drop + Halo".

 

[Daigoro]

Well, a lot of times these patches are fairly critical and go beyond just being able to play online. I'm always going to make sure that I have all current patches and updates installed before playing.

Yes,but you'll want to patch after the installation is complete. Somehow they seem to conflict and drag the installation progress down if you are online while installing.

 

[ViciousDS]

When I first got my xbox last year part of that insane omega gamestop bundle......I think it took Ryse an hour or even more to play the game....it was brutal...and that was from the disc.

Then with the SO bundle this year....downloading SO took fucking forever...I swear it downloads and installs at the same time...such a dumb concept. It should download the requirements to run the game first...install that and then do the download/install hybrid, but even with game updates it seems to install and download at the exact same time....

going to probably connect an external to speed things up a bit here soon.

 

[Sophistical Bunt]

I swear it downloads and installs at the same time...such a dumb concept.

That's not a dumb concept. It doesn't make the download speed any slower. It worked exactly the same way on the 360. Who wants to download a game and then have to wait ages while it installs? That shit was horrendous on the PS3. Often the install would take longer than the download time.

 

[AdmiralSnackbar]

Explain to me why it shouldn't be. Is being an app a bad thing for some reason? Why is that?

It is an app because the blu-ray player has to be updated periodically due to changing blu-ray movie specs. This way, the blu-ray player can be updated when required without needing the entire OS to be updated.

It's confusing the way it's set up. Netflix and YouTube make sense in the apps section, but why is friends list and acheivments there also? Those are features that are actually build into the main menu. If blue ray player really needs to be updated seperatley so badly it can be made modular and invisible.

Android devices do perfecly fine making "google keyboard" or whatever an intalled app without giving it a useless icon. When would I ever go to the app to watch a movie? You would only put the disk in and select the disk icon.

It was just seemed incredibly off putting that a after opening up my new console I had to download part of the hardware functionality.

 

[Kacho]

Phil said this is a high priority item and they are working on it.

Good. Shit is annoying.

 

[Sophistical Bunt]

It's confusing the way it's set up.

Do you really look at the list of apps, see the Blu-Ray player there, and actually feel confused?

The Blu-Ray player app can be moved to the external hard drive, along with any other system apps that aren't mandatory. To do that, you have to be able to select it from a list of apps. Also, having an icon for it there also shows if it's been updated, as a little blue star appears in the corner of its icon.

It was just seemed incredibly off putting that a after opening up my new console I had to download part of the hardware functionality.

The first time you play a Blu-Ray disc it will download a 50MB app. That's "incredibly off putting"? Come on. You're really reaching for things to whine about now.

 

[The Freeman]

Currently installing Ryse.

It's been just over 90 minutes and is currently only at 85% install. It said I could start playing at around 20%, but when I went to start a new game it just came up with the installing holding page :/

 

[j3ff3]

That's not a dumb concept. It doesn't make the download speed any slower. It worked exactly the same way on the 360. Who wants to download a game and then have to wait ages while it installs? That shit was horrendous on the PS3. Often the install would take longer than the download time.

i think the important point is that I want to know what the console is doing.

dl = x;
speed = y mb/s
installed z%

its not hard, its just transparent. which would no doubt highlight a ridiculously long or inefficient process. they are hiding the details in order to disguise the problems and issues people are seeing.

 

[j3ff3]

Currently installing Ryse.

It's been just over 90 minutes and is currently only at 85% install. It said I could start playing at around 20%, but when I went to start a new game it just came up with the installing holding page :/

yup, and if you go to the dl manager, often the icon is selectable to play early, but the icon does nothing.

every indication that it should work. in fact i think it even says 'launch game'.

i see a pattern here:

blades - perfected and then replaced by an inferior UI.
dashboard OS - almost perfected and then replaced by an inferior UI.
Bone dashboard - .....................


why is it hard to make these gains cumulative? why do they insist on wiping away the positives, and having another bash?

same with the controller really. its good, but its no better than the 360s really, and however many million in R&D.

 

[ElNino]

Whenever I install a game on the XB1, I will either switch inputs and play the PC, PS4, or Wii U for a bit. And for a bit, I mean I play for the night and then check to see if the XB1 is done yet. Usually it's not, so I just leave it and play the game I wanted to play the next day.

I find it hard to believe that installs usually take that long for you. Most installs do not take more than 30 minutes to be fully installed for me, and they are often playable before that (but I always let it fully install).

Even MCC was 90 minutes at most for me, but I was on a conference call while it was instlling so I didn't check until my call was finished and it was done already.

 

[jimi_dini]

The first time you play a Blu-Ray disc it will download a 50MB app.

Wat

My bluray player doesn't. ... because it can't.

 

[Biker19]

PS4 installs in the background. Takes awhile too.

At least you'll be able to play the games while the game's installing (that's if you bought the games physically).

 

[Galdius]

When I got the console last Christmas I went to play Forza Horizon on December 24 (we open the gifts on December 24) but it took so long to install that I only played it on December 25 after having breakfast.

My Xbone sometimes stops installing the game and I have to turn it off and on again. This happened 3 or 4 times with Forza Horizon 2 last october.

 

[GoldenBuddha]

So glad to have found this thread! I thought I had a defective XBone. Bought Assassin's Creed Bundle Friday and started download of Unity and Black Flag around 6pm. Black Flag completed around 4am (saturday morning), Unity download took until Sunday 5pm.

Sunset Overdrive installation took around 3 hours, and Titanfall took 4 hours (I just learned TitanFall had a huge downloaded update to apply that added to the wait). I'm really hoping this stuff gets ironed out because I'd love to play Xbox games, but not when I can install them (patch and all) much more quickly on my PS4 and get better performance on some things.

 

[GnawtyDog]

So glad to have found this thread! I thought I had a defective XBone. Bought Assassin's Creed Bundle Friday and started download of Unity and Black Flag around 6pm. Black Flag completed around 4am (saturday morning), Unity download took until Sunday 5pm.

Sunset Overdrive installation took around 3 hours, and Titanfall took 4 hours (I just learned TitanFall had a huge downloaded update to apply that added to the wait). I'm really hoping this stuff gets ironed out because I'd love to play Xbox games, but not when I can install them (patch and all) much more quickly on my PS4 and get better performance on some things.

By the time I buy an Xbox One this should hopefully be fixed. I'm a physical games guy.....so yeah.

 

[GoldenBuddha]

By the time I buy an Xbox One this should hopefully be fixed. I'm a physical games guy.....so yeah.

Well, I'm normally an early adopter (hence PS4 last year), but the controversy surrounding the initial Xbox announcement pushed me to wait a year. The way I see it, these are issues that should have been addressed and fixed by now. I'm with you on preferring physical copies of games as well.

 

[mike4001_]

At least you'll be able to play the games while the game's installing (that's if you bought the games physically).

Thats the big difference.

PS4 lets you start the game and reads necessary data directly from the disc for the game. The actual installation is therefore longer but the user is not aware of it and can play the game.

Xbox does only reads the data from the HDD and therefore needs to wait until all necessary data is copied.

Thats basically why PS4 installs "faster" which it actually doesn´t

 

[ViciousDS]

That's not a dumb concept. It doesn't make the download speed any slower. It worked exactly the same way on the 360. Who wants to download a game and then have to wait ages while it installs? That shit was horrendous on the PS3. Often the install would take longer than the download time.

that was due to the OS and 5400rpm drive....which is the same thing this time around. The Xbox One OS was not built around playing and installing at the same time. Have you not noticed how the install/download comes to a crawl when you are playing the game off the drive at the same time its installing when its available? It takes forever.

The 5400rpm drive in the Xbox One doesn't help either as its already a slow drive and doing such intensive write tasks while constantly reading and searching, it can be resolved by OS updates alah PS4 style which is insanely fast. However Sony built the system with that feature as a huge priority.

remember this last year?

under a minute to launch most PS4 games and to be able to start the campaign or play a sample match in a sports game


http://kotaku.com/installing-xbox-one-games-takes-way-too-long-1471191836

 

[The Freeman]

Ryse now at 93%

Off to watch the football, will probably be at 95% by full time *face palm*

 

[JonathanPower]

It's actually a technical requirement by Sony if you want to release anything on the PS4, that the user should be able to start the game within X seconds after the disc is inserted(I don't have the documentation open in front of me, I think it was 90 seconds or something like that). Then the game is copied to the HDD in the background, while the user continues playing - as for the game side, access to the data is transparent - as a dev you can request any file and the OS decides whatever it can be served from HDD yet or if has to be loaded from the disc.

There is no such requirement on Xbox One.

Interesting. So if I got it right this means a game can run from the disc until it is fully installed and then it can run entirely from the HDD.

 

[PARANO1A]

I don't own an Xbox One, but if true this is a bizarre and inexplicable reversal from last gen. I used to seethe at the absurd double whammy of long download and install times on the PS3, whereas the 360 didn't even have a (visible) install process.

Sony really learned its lessons, and Microsoft forgot theirs.

My thoughts exactly.

 

[NoMoreTrolls]

Interesting. So if I got it right this means a game can run from the disc until it is fully installed and then it can run entirely from the HDD.

Yes. It still reads the disc at startup to ensure that you have the game, but otherwise it doesn't use the disk after its done installing.

 

[infinityBCRT]

I'm assuming all these long install times people are seeing are just the multi gig patches being downloaded... the difference is on PS4 it doesn't even start downloading the patch until you start the game.

 

[Stevey]

I dont understand that my PC can download 152Mb/sec, but my Xbox One- same wired connection straight into Virgin Media Super Hub can only manage 60?

What's going on there?

 

[PooBone]

I believe that the PS4 process data faster due to having additional hardware for downloading stuff. That ARM processor and additional 256MB RAM comes in handy after all.

LOLOLOL!!!!!

This is like when the cute girl on CSI tries to talk techie.

 

[Biker19]

I don't own an Xbox One, but if true this is a bizarre and inexplicable reversal from last gen. I used to see the at the absurd double whammy of long download and install times on the PS3, whereas the 360 didn't even have a (visible) install process.

Sony really learned its lessons, and Microsoft forgot theirs.

Yep. It's funny how both companies have switched sides regarding this.

 

[jesu]

So glad to have found this thread! I thought I had a defective XBone. Bought Assassin's Creed Bundle Friday and started download of Unity and Black Flag around 6pm. Black Flag completed around 4am (saturday morning), Unity download took until Sunday 5pm.

Sunset Overdrive installation took around 3 hours, and Titanfall took 4 hours (I just learned TitanFall had a huge downloaded update to apply that added to the wait). I'm really hoping this stuff gets ironed out because I'd love to play Xbox games, but not when I can install them (patch and all) much more quickly on my PS4 and get better performance on some things.

Sunset Overdrive was 40minutes for me from disc, sounds like your having problems with the download speeds.

 

[Wasp]

Ryse took me at least 6 hours to install. That's the disc version. Although this included the downloading and installing the hefty patch too. Ridiculous. Couldn't actually play the game the day I bought it.

 

[Gamezone]

Install times is probably bad because the console was made to be always online. I think Phil said that himself in a recent podcast. But they should priority fixing this before adding more UI features.

 

[3rdamention]

When Phil Spencer says they have brought in a PS4 to compare loading times to the Xbox One, you know this is a serious issue they are definitely addressing.

 

[STEaMkb]

Mark Cerny discussed the unremitting growth of game file sizes during the 2011 Develop Conference. It was a problem on his mind even back then. There is an abridged transcript of the debate available on the internet.

Distinguished Sony panel discusses wild technologies, once unimaginable possibilities, and oncoming obstacles

Mark Cerny: Just to speak from a technical perspective, these future games will require an enormous amount of data. Current PS3 top games require 25 or 50 gigabytes. That’s about the only thing today that exists that can’t be constrained. At least in the near future it will be difficult to avoid optical data.

[...]

I think we’ll just have optical media as the dominant media format for consoles, going forward.

[...]

I think there are tremendous games that are digitally distributed, I just think that these worlds that we’re building are huge. All of a sudden you need hundreds of megabytes more data, and if you’re running a game from Blu-ray you can pull that data immediately.

We are going to have this division, I believe, in the games business for about ten more years where, sure we’d like things to be digital – digital distribution is fantastic – but we are going to be sticking with physical data for a while.

[...]

I just did the math; Metal Gear Solid 4, which is 50 gigabytes, on my internet connection – which is a really god one that I pay a lot for, by the way – would take 36 hours to download. I’m not saying people won’t do that, I just think it won’t be the dominant distribution system. If you follow the rate that internet speeds are increasing, you’ll still have to wait ten years before that kind of download takes about an hour.

The panel then proceeded to discuss technology that allows gamers to begin playing before the install is complete. All of this was open discussion. In 2011.

 

[STEaMkb]

I believe that the PS4 process data faster due to having additional hardware for downloading stuff. That ARM processor and additional 256MB RAM comes in handy after all.

My understanding is that there is a chip dedicated to zlib processing on the PS4, which is what the PS4 abuses when reading from the BD.

It's actually a technical requirement by Sony if you want to release anything on the PS4, that the user should be able to start the game within X seconds after the disc is inserted (I don't have the documentation open in front of me, I think it was 90 seconds or something like that).

It's no exaggeration to say, with every PS4 game I own, my game is ready to play in less time than it takes to make a cup of tea. The only exception (noted above) is GTA V.

 

[Silphonica]

You can normally start playing whatever game it is you are installing within about 15 minutes.

 

[OsirisBlack]

Got my 2nd XB1 and am installing CODAW its at 19% after 30 minutes.... its digital don't know if that makes a difference but it is pretty laughable.

 

[Shin-Ra]

Based Cerny Tech (BCT) allows the PS4 to install games in seconds

Thank @drewthaler and anybody he may have worked with on PlayGo.

Uncharted 4 should have some super-efficient streaming!

When Phil Spencer addressees it and says it is a top concern... it isn't being ignored.

It's due to the fact it downloads the game instead of pulling from the disc if there is a newer version available.

Just install offline then re-connect online then download the patch if prompted. Microsoft have it as a top priority to fix it.

I've gone all digital now so don't have the problem but it wasn't that much of a problem installing offline then reconnecting. Usually took 10 minutes to install a full game but obliviously it depends on how many GB it is.

"Top concern/priority"

January.

It makes little sense to me to have discs that installs the game onto your system but you still need the disc to play the game.
Do what PC's do and limit how many times you can install a game.
Let me play without a game disc if I have to install it anyway.

NO THANKS!

 

[The Freeman]

Ryse took me at least 6 hours to install. That's the disc version. Although this included the downloading and installing the hefty patch too. Ridiculous. Couldn't actually play the game the day I bought it.

Mine eventually installed (from disc complete with patch) tonight in just under 5 hours. -_-'

I feel sorry for kids at Christmas who are rewarded with an X Box but have to install and download all their updates. They wont be playing on it till Boxing Day!