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Xbox One | Ryse confirmed running native at 900p

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Team Vernia said:
Crytek just shot themselves in the foot.

I don't know how much the rest of you know about awesome next gen graphics (I'm an expert), but high pixel counts and smooth frame rates are huge parts of them. It's not like this gen where you can become successful by putting out crappy, low resolution slideshows. If you screw customers over in 2013, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance.

What this means is the hardcore gamers, after hearing about this, are not going to want to purchase Ryse, nor will they purchase any of Crytek's games. This is HUGE. You can laugh all you want, but Crytek has alienated an entire demographic with this move.

Crytek, publicly apologize and cancel Ryse or you can kiss your business goodbye.
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bit over dramatic dont you think?
 
Duxxy3 said:
A higher resolution wouldn't change the sales of the game, so why delay it?
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The delay would give additional time to fix what currently appears to be a "broken" game at the moment. Smooth out the animations and add depth to combat. Expand and improve MP ( add couch coop and PVP). Extend the campaign. Get up to the 1080p as a bonus to appease graphic/resolution worshippers as an added bonus.

This game will likely instead suffer " launch syndrome" and review poorly. Which in turn Reduces chances of a potential future franchise from coming to fruition.

Delay it and give the game a chance to succeed. So much potential here!
 
So the Order is off the hook because it was an artistic choice not to go native 1080p. It's also not a launch title, so that's another reason it's okay

Wow. Some people make me speechless. =p
 
TheCloser said:
That's an artistic choice not a hardware limitation.
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nib95 said:
Pretty sure that's a (dumb) artistic decision than anything performance saving related. It's not like the game is going to be upscaled or anything. They just want you to have black cars for some reason similar to a movie. Which again, is idiotic and I hope they change course. There's still a possibility the black bars may even be rendered and switch up throughout the game, so it's too early to say at this point anyway.
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beast786 said:
Yes they do. DC is technically superior to forza. KZ especially is technically superior to any launch game
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Jamessh said:
This game will likely instead suffer " launch syndrome" and review poorly. Which in turn Reduces chances of a potential future franchise from coming to fruition.
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I really hope this doesn't happen, as the IP seems pretty solid. I'm really digging the use of color and I like the art direction. Hopefully MS lets Crytek work all the way up to launch for this release (like Forza with the added cars and tracks).
 
beast786 said:
DC is technical more stuff than forza is not an opinion. Saying its better looking is an opinion
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So Forza doing 60 fps does not count? We can't make comparisons by filtering out only what works for our favorite game. Then it does, in fact, become "opinion".

P.S: Driveclub is my favorite by the way, but I prefer not to technically compare it with Forza. The games clearly have different priorities and a slightly different audience.
 
JammerJammy said:
So the Order is off the hook because it was an artistic choice not to go native 1080p. It's also not a launch title, so that's another reason it's okay

Wow. Some people make me speechless. =p
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They are two different things. You can think they're both fine or both bad, but they're definitely not the same thing.
 
tkalamba said:
You mean like a standard eye test? I doubt that's where these numbers come from... everywhere I've seen anything on TV view distances references THX certification specs.
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No, the THX recommended viewing distance is based on sitting close enough to get an immersive experience, it doesn't account for resolution or pixel size. The chart posted here appears to be based on the work of Snellen who designed the eye test chart.

Interestingly, the recommended THX viewing distance is closer than what is optimal for 1080p according to that chart, so you would need a higher resolution for that.
 
BRocknRolla said:
They are two different things. You can think they're both fine or both bad, but they're definitely not the same thing.
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You don't say?

Because I've been saying the same thing this entire thread when people keep comparing the launch lineup (and resolutions) for both consoles. Besides Forza and DC (and those games cater to a different style of play), you can't compare any of them. Am I wrong about this?
 
JammerJammy said:
So the Order is off the hook because it was an artistic choice not to go native 1080p. It's also not a launch title, so that's another reason it's okay

Wow. Some people make me speechless. =p
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The footage they showed though, really did seem like they were going with the cinematic vibe, though, so to that end it 'works' and can be justified.

It isn't like they went OK we we need 'dat 30 fps' and we can't do 1080p so let's slap some black bars on rather than attempting to optimise what we have.
 
HoodWinked said:
this makes absolutely no sense.
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Erm. Why not? Have you never seen any movie with black bars? Do you think the movie maker was faced with "hardware limitations". You or I may not like it, but it has a sensible explanation. They call it creative license. Whether it may be due to hardware limitations is pure negative speculation at this point.
 
The Order isnt out yet or even close. However, ryse is - and confirmed @900. That's why it doesnt make sense to talk about the order yet. This is a thread about ryse, a launch title dropping in 2 months
 
Bufbaf said:
Suddenly my 720p/1080i TV doesn't look that bad!

It still does
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Even a 1080p screen would benefit from the bone more than a 720p screen. Good upscalers do matter, and I have been fooled by them before, and I'm the kinda guy who can't stand low resolutions at all.
 
mangochutney said:
The footage they showed though, really did seem like they were going with the cinematic vibe, though, so to that end it 'works' and can be justified.

It isn't like they went OK we we need 'dat 30 fps' and we can't do 1080p so let's slap some black bars on rather than attempting to optimise what we have.
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Concur.
 
mangochutney said:
The footage they showed though, really did seem like they were going with the cinematic vibe, though, so to that end it 'works' and can be justified.

It isn't like they went OK we we need 'dat 30 fps' and we can't do 1080p so let's slap some black bars on rather than attempting to optimise what we have.
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It also confers secondary benefits, namely you get a much wider horizontal FOV with the same vertical FOV compared to a 16:9 picture.

Is performance a factor in the decision to do 2.4:1? Probably. Does that make the visuals worse or violate the playability of the game? Not at all.

oVerde said:
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yea, artistic choices.
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Horizontal bars = vertical bars, 16:10 = 2.4:1, upscaling = downscaling, war = peace, etc
 
BakedSardine said:
This "round" is a different animal because the architectures are so similar.
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The base architectures are both similar. Both consoles have their GPU's tweaked to hell and back, though. So the brand name stamped on the APU is probably where the similarities end. PS4 uses GDDR5 and Xbox One has eSRAM cache and a host of different co-processors dedicated to specific functions.

Neither company just bought an APU, threw it on a motherboard and called it a day. MS for one bought a super computer to simulate what they wanted out of their machine and then purchased and built silicon that met their performance target.
 
LukasTaves said:
How so?
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He doesn't know. Thats a simple fact and it becomes harder and harder to read this forum lately with all the console warriors spreading their biased opinion everywhere. The fact is nobody will know the complete facts about either machine until these consoles and their games release.
 
People are ignoring the most important part about all of this.

Greenburg didn't lie to our faces. Did he try to sell the upscaling with his PR spin? Yes, but he didn't outright lie.

After all of the shit with Penello and Major Nelson, I'm 100% ok with him telling the truth, even if it is bad news.
 
Xbone is going to need a lot of exclusives to stay relevant with every multiplat running better on ps4. In this case 900p does not matter because you can only get the game on xbone.
 
JammerJammy said:
You don't say?

Because I've been saying the same thing this entire thread when people keep comparing the launch lineup (and resolutions) for both consoles. Besides Forza and DC (and those games cater to a different style of play), you can't compare any of them. Am I wrong about this?
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People spend a lot of time comparing games with different play styles, and the value of those comparisons is wholly subjective. I wasn't arguing that.

I was saying that natively rendering a game 1600x900 (Or whatever the exact ratio is for Ryse) and then upscaling it is not the same thing as natively rendering a game at 1920x800. People can find one to be better than the other because they're decidedly different things. It's a false equivalency to say people can't find issue with Ryse if they don't find issue with The Order.
 
oVerde said:
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yea, artistic choices.
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So do you think movies which are rendered with black bars are 'technically deficient'? I personally am no fan of black bars in games, but The Evil Within and Resident Evil 4 are other games which spring to mind. Darksiders also has black bars (in combat). Fact is, it's an artistic choice as confirmed by the director of The Order.
 
mangochutney said:
The footage they showed though, really did seem like they were going with the cinematic vibe, though, so to that end it 'works' and can be justified.

It isn't like they went OK we we need 'dat 30 fps' and we can't do 1080p so let's slap some black bars on rather than attempting to optimise what we have.
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While I do agree with you, how do you know that the cinematic border wasn't put there because of some kind of limitation?
 
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