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[Li Kao]

These changes are appropriate, and will not affect the quality of the game at all. If you want to look at breasts, they are available on the internet.

Eh, the good old porn argument. Why, yes, everybody criticizing the change was caressing their crotch in anticipation.

 

[Garlador]

where's the other 10%? D:

They'd play as men, of course, like the minority of players they are.

Eh, the good old porn argument. Why, yes, everybody criticizing the change was caressing their crotch in anticipation.

I know I was.

 

[TatteredHat]

I could really be avatar-quoting this entire thread.

Well, I won't blame you for saying that since it's an easy quip to make, but even in Dragon's Crown my most played character was Elf and the vast majority of my self-created female characters tends to have small breasts. The only reason I picked this avatar was because I liked the way her face was drawn, which after all is the most important part of picking an avatar.

The fact that I can't give my PC small breasts in Xenoblade isn't the end of the world, but at the same time this announcement isn't motivating me to buy the game either.

I'll agree with you on one thing, the character customization seems awfully limiting in what you can actually customize.

 

[Salbug]

I was fine with the changes for Lin, but the removal of a customization slider is just dumb. :T

 

[pablito]

I planned on making a male character, but the bust slider removal sucks.

 

[UberTag]

Now that's just stupid. Why would they remove the breast size option?

They didn't want fans undoing their meticulous work censoring Lin by making their own flat-chested, 13-year-old midget avatar player character and dress them in scantily clad outfits.

Might as well just restrict chest size altogether to ensure there's no controversy.

 

[anaron]

So just because the character creator isn't very in depth it's fine to simplify it even further and remove things for no reason?

the character creator is actually pretty damn deep. Tons of options.

 

[Nyoro SF]

When you publish something, you have the right to add or remove whatever you want. If Nintendo chooses to remove the bust slider, that kind of self-censorship is completely reasonable. This has absolutely nothing to do with free speech.

I completely disagree; it's not completely reasonable at all. You're essentially telling Western players that they simply cannot handle different breast sizes on women; taking away the control in a character creator for only one region. Very much censorship, though I don't think I'd call it a free speech item...

 

[Basileus777]

They didn't want fans undoing their meticulous work censoring Lin by making their own flat-chested, 13-year-old midget avatar player character and dress them in scantily clad outfits.

Might as well just restrict chest size altogether to ensure there's no controversy.

I'd rather they had removed the outfit altogether than the character customization option.

 

[Azuran]

So we can't have this in Xenoblade:

But they are all right with advertising this?:

The censoring itself doesn't bother but considering what #FE is going to have just makes this all ridiculous.

lol I never noticed that zipper until now.

 

[batrush]

Lmao

 

[Amneisac]

Well, I won't blame you for saying that since it's an easy quip to make, but even in Dragon's Crown my most played character was Elf and the vast majority of my self-created female characters tends to have small breasts. The only reason I picked this avatar was because I liked the way her face was drawn, which after all is the most important part of picking an avatar.

The fact that I can't give my PC small breasts in Xenoblade isn't the end of the world, but at the same time this announcement isn't motivating me to buy the game either.

I'll agree with you on one thing, the character customization seems awfully limiting in what you can actually customize.

As I clarified in a later post in case you missed it, I wasn't trying to be insulting, but point out that a lot of these other games have had similar discussions. This stuff keeps coming up again and again for a reason. I would just like people to be a little bit more aware of how often they're defending video games that are making questionable decisions about how they choose to portray women.

I mean, let's be serious about this game - the story trailer has a close-up on a female character's basically bare ass in a thong. The game's publisher removing the bust slider isn't exactly your local school board taking The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn out of your local libraries.

 

[Hyperfludd]

That'll save this niche game from bad press!

Meh, what can you do? Seems like a pointless change to me, but it's not a huge deal or anything.

 

[Katzenjammer]

It's not as indepth as some games when it comes to customizing specific aspects of your face, but they still allow you to change a good number of options.

Hold up, I can't make an elderly female character in this editor? Nintendo just shot themselves in the foot.

 

[Ragnorok64]

Does this game allow you to totally change your character mid-campaign? If they patches the slider back in, would you have to restart the game?

 

[ryushe]

Man, like always, I can't believe how upset some of you guys are about something like this.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

I completely disagree; it's not completely reasonable at all. You're essentially telling Western players that they simply cannot handle different breast sizes on women; taking away the control in a character creator for only one region. Very much censorship, though I don't think I'd call it a free speech item...

It is not censorship. Nintendo of America is publishing and selling the game in their territories. They made changes that they thought would make the game sell better, either for rating issues or otherwise.

Most people purchasing this game will not have been following the coverage and impressions of the Japanese version.

 

[Mithos]

They didn't want fans undoing their meticulous work censoring Lin by making their own flat-chested, 13-year-old midget avatar player character and dress them in scantily clad outfits.

Might as well just restrict chest size altogether to ensure there's no controversy.

No, now your 13-year-old midget will have medium-sized chests instead (as I understand it).

 

[ZombiePlatypus]

I'd argue that the West in general is finally turning a corner on exploitation of female bodies for titillation, while Japan continues to say "Here, have a half-naked 13 year old".

Those are two very different things though. Yeah, it's great to see any attempts at sexualizing a minor done away with.

Where and how do you draw the line when portraying adults though? Sex, sexualization and objectification are not inherently bad or evil.

 

[fernoca]

When you publish something, you have the right to add or remove whatever you want. If Nintendo chooses to remove the bust slider, that kind of self-censorship is completely reasonable. This has absolutely nothing to do with free speech.

Pretty much.
The company that funded and owns this game decided to make some changes in other regions, to avoid backlash from idiotic parents (and people in general) for no reason other than to make noise.

This same company has been thrown to the media and even sued by parents like the one with Animal Crossing "insulting" her daughter, because turned out she wasn't aware that characters could learn words from visitors (other players). So the "insults" were taught by the characters of the friends she played with.

More than "NOAs gonna NOA" is "idiots gonna idiot".

 

[Astral Dog]

LESS

For Xenoblade fans

 

[ShinNoNoir]

Do we know if this applies to both EU and US version? I don't recall if they're handled differently.

When checking YouTube earlier today I came across a Let's Play video showcasing the French localization. The slider was also missing in that version.

 

[Asd202]

One step forward, two steps back. Good old Nintendo.

 

[Ninjimbo]

Pretty shitty of Nintendo to do this. Character creators should be completely free to make anything you feel like making.

Why can't every game follow Dragon Dogma's creator? That shit is the best.

 

[UberTag]

No, now your 13-year-old midget will have medium-sized chests instead (as I understand it).

They won't look 13 then now, will they? Problem solved. Dress them however you like.

 

[ZombiePlatypus]

Man, like always, I can't believe how upset some of you guys are about something like this.

Because it's not about one costume, or a boob slider. It's the message that playing fast and loose with policing content and deciding for us is OK.

 

[Hitokiri]

When you publish something, you have the right to add or remove whatever you want. If Nintendo chooses to remove the bust slider, that kind of self-censorship is completely reasonable. This has absolutely nothing to do with free speech.

You are correct on the last point. This has nothing to do with "free speech", and I don't think I saw anyone in this thread claim that it did. That does not make it inherently reasonable or okay, and it is still censorship, it is just not government censorship. It's okay to call it censorship and it's okay to debate on whether that's reasonable. Now, if you don't like the fact that you're advocating censorship, that's your problem.

 

[RMI]

weird about the boob slider. but if those are all the changes I'm OK with this. Actually the default bust size is where I would land on this thing anyway, so cool. Sucks for people who like their ladies with a bit more or less in the oppai department though.

 

[Mithos]

They won't look 13 then now, will they? Problem solved. Dress them however you like.

The rest of the character can/could.

 

[Dinda]

You've got to be kidding me. I probably would have gone for something medium anyway, but this is just stupid.

 

[Nyoro SF]

It is not censorship. Nintendo of America is publishing and selling the game in their territories. They made changes that they thought would make the game sell better, either for rating issues or otherwise.

Most people purchasing this game will not have been following the coverage and impressions of the Japanese version.

It's very much censorship. "They made changes" = removed options out of fear. Censorship.

If people know or don't know that the censorship is taking place; If Nintendo is merely executing their options in their capability; it's still censorship

 

[Qurupeke]

When checking YouTube earlier today I came across a Let's Play video showcasing the French localization. The slider was also missing in that version.

Damn.

 

[Amneisac]

You are correct on the last point. This has nothing to do with "free speech", and I don't think I saw anyone in this thread claim that it did. That does not make it inherently reasonable or okay, and it is still censorship, it is just not government censorship. It's okay to call it censorship and it's okay to debate on whether that's reasonable. Now, if you don't like the fact that you're advocating censorship, that's your problem.

I have zero problems advocating for a private company to have the ability to make decisions on what content it adds or removes from its own properties.

 

[Snkfanatic]

These changes are appropriate, and will not affect the quality of the game at all. If you want to look at breasts, they are available on the internet.

This is a tired and overused argument. How in the world is this appropriate? Do you feel the same way about every game that has sliders when you are making your character?

 

[JadedWriter]

But without the boob slider I can't make a near flat chested woman either.

 

[LouisaFerre]

it doesn't really change anything for me, but it's just dumb. The removal of bust size options just doesn't really improve the game, the image of the game, or the image of Nintendo as a company in any way, considering what they're doing with plenty of other titles. It's not silly because it significantly hurts the game, but rather just because it's a completely unnecessary thing for the localization team to do.

 

[Pro from Dover]

I have zero problems advocating for a private company to have the ability to make decisions on what content it adds or removes from its own properties.

Watch your mouth!

 

[Fandangox]

Hold up, I can't make an elderly female character in this editor? Nintendo just shot themselves in the foot.

Yeah this is just as dumb. What gives

 

[KratosEnergyDrink]

Wait what the hell?

As a woman this pisses me off. Having small boobs or big boobs doesn't mean your any lesser or greater and I should be able to adjust my bust size if I so feel the need to do so.

Equal rights! There is no bulge slider too!

 

[ZombiePlatypus]

I think the censorship defense force is the first defense force I've seen on GAF that's defending something while changing terms and downplaying what they're pushing for.

 

[Suzushiiro]

But without the boob slider I can't make a near flat chested woman either.

Considering the other change they made, that might be the point.

 

[Amneisac]

I think the censorship defense force is the first defense force I've seen on GAF that's defending something while changing terms and downplaying what they're pushing for.

I'd be interested in some clarification on this.

 

[anaron]

I do find the bust scale removal odd considering the obvious IRL diversity amongst body types.

 

[axisofweevils]

Also, this is game is partially online, right? Does this mean you can't play with JP people and risk seeing bigger/smaller boobs?

 

[Ragnorok64]

I always want my play experience to be as close to the original as possible. I want the game I play to be the same game a Japanese gamer is playing. That seems to be less and less possible on Nintendo systems.

Well they've already started work emulating the Wii U, maybe some years down the line someone with hack together an undubbed version with the uncut content and Japanese voiceovers.

 

[Hylian7]

Considering the other change they made, that might be the point.

Probably is and I can't say I blame them. I really don't think it's that big of a deal.

 

[Nyoro SF]

I think the censorship defense force is the first defense force I've seen on GAF that's defending something while changing terms and downplaying what they're pushing for.

It's amazing to think that because Nintendo can execute censorship, that we should fully support all the censorship they make! Incredible logic from these people.

I guess it's easier to defend yourself by saying "I side with the big N!" rather than directly say "I don't want people to have the ability to control their character's chest size with a character creator!" <- cause the second one will get them in trouble with everyone and it's not really an argument they can stand on, I suppose.

Also, this is game is partially online, right? Does this mean you can't play with JP people and risk seeing bigger/smaller boobs?

If the online isn't region locked, then what will happen is the game will pull whatever local content is there, in other words everyone will likely appear to have the same medium sized chest. IIRC that's how most games with regional specific content work.

 

[BGBW]

Man, like always, I can't believe how upset some of you guys are about something like this.

It's the removal of an option for no apparent reason that other games have been perfectly fine with including to no signs of controversy. This is the kind of decision I'd expect of always on their toes 80s Nintendo, not 2015 Nintendo.

 

[whiteninja]

Maybe someday in the future someone can make an undub of this using the jp version. Are Wii Us hacked to the point of doing this yet even?

Edit already said but still

 

[ZombiePlatypus]

I'd be interested in some clarification on this.

Basically the whole "We shouldn't complain guys. They cut their own content obviously out of fear of controversy, but lol it's not censorship " stance.