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Yep. So days gone expectedly did relatively bad compared to other Sony 1p games.
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I can see your point, but if you look at overall diversity from an overall standpoint, MS hasn't been as bad as you suggest.
Neither Sony or Nintendo has a fps on the same level as Halo.
Nintendo has Splatoon, and MS has Gears. The best Sony has is UC4 mp which is pretty mediocre in comparison.
MS has KI, Sony has SFV, and Ninty has Smash.
All have quality racing games.
MS has cinematic games such as Ryse, Quantum Break. Sony has tons. Nintendo lacks here.
If you add State of Decay, Sea of Thieves, along with games like Ori and Cuphead.... MS is pretty diverse.
MS does pump out the sequels though. No doubt about that.
There were plenty of people hyping this as a shoe-in for GOTY in the OT thread. Those who voiced concerns, or who weren't hyped to the hilt were dismissed. Several people claiming "Just wait for the reviews" like it was a given that any Sony exclusive gets auto great reviews.
Now we've got the reviews, and all of a sudden it's all some sort of SJW conspiracy agenda at work. Reviews can't be trusted, and surely they didn't play the entire game.
You can't have your cake, and eat it too. Sony fans have based their whole argument on review and meta scores this gen. Watching them desperately trying to twist logic and move goalposts is entertaining.
Bryank75
Banned
Dunno what you're doing to your controllers.... sounds abusive! lol
Maybe since you are new to Smash Bros it hasnt seemed recycled, I've been on Nintendo since NES and Smash since my Gamecube. They're fun but not that deep, a good party game.
I know a lot of people go back to TLOU, GOW, Bloodborne, Spider-man and some of the Uncharted games..... some people make games like TLOU an annual thing. I also think you forget that there are very fun multiplayer modes in Uncharted and TLOU.
Then there's LBP, Dreams, and GT that offer perpetual play.... people forget about Wipeout multiplayer too and BB has invasions and chalice dungeon.
My problem is that studios might be pushed into making games in the 3rd person, cinematic space when they could be much more successful doing something else. Sony seem to be losing that diversity that they had in the past, that you don't seem to acknowledge or realize was there.... games like Warhawk, Socom, Folklore, Journey, Resogun, Jak and Daxter and Gravity Rush or ICO.
Just because you can play through a game once and have done everything doesn't diminish its value in my opinion, it is the impact of that story and how you connected with it that really stays with you and makes it memorable or affect you on a deeper level.
For me GOW did this, as I have two boys and it spoke to me as a father. Many would cite ICO, SOTC or Journey as games that reached them on a deeper level.... emotionally or spiritually.
It's a shame Days gone is not one of those games but maybe now is a good time to refocus some of the studios.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Almost as enjoyable as those people that shouted about Sony paying off for reviews. lol... oh please, do not attempt to take the high moral ground on this...
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FranXico
Member
Certain people want to celebrate a failure, yes. So they pretend that there was more hype in order to make said failure appear bigger.
Must be their idea of fun, I guess...
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Damn, then what is less than 70?
CyberPanda
Banned
At the end of the day reviews are just opinions, and should be taken with a grain of salt. And, I'm glad people are enjoying the game. In the end, that's what truly matters, someone's written words shouldn't effect ones experience.
Tiamat2san
Member
I'll wait for the next sales period.
Sure amazon or another web site will drop the price.
Seems cool but not cool enough to buy it full price (for me at least)
Sure amazon or another web site will drop the price.
Seems cool but not cool enough to buy it full price (for me at least)
V2Tommy
Member
All that negativity that's going to cost jobs for the devs and you can't even spell whose. Good on you, dude.
I had some hope tucked away for this game being more interesting with a focus on systems driven gameplay, but from what I gather it just turned out to be a huge, generic busywork open world game and I don't know if you really need to give this particular developer such a task. There are just so many of these things and this design philosophy even bleeds into other games like Tomb Raider and God of War. Why not have a smaller map that is more densely packed with opportunities to play around with the hordes and survival mechanics. Less camps giving out generic missions, less crap that's just there for the sake of being cleared, more emphasis on dynamic gameplay. Less can be more. Focus is so underrated these days, everything must be a sprawling 60+ hour epic with tons of characters with voice acting and maps that are so huge you can't possibly communicate activities any other way than countless map symbols. I wish Sony would have allowed them or the devs would have settled for an approach that allows for the amount of fun ideas they had to match the amount of content that seems to have to be created these days to count as a significant game. I'm really tired of this approach and worry about feeling fatigued about Tsushima soon as it's revealed that it works just as any other current open world busyworkfest.
captainraincoat
Banned
Played about 6 hours so far of it...sort of a weird meld of the last of us and ghost recon wildlands to me
There is a fair bit of repetition already with nest clearing and some annoying bugs where it will suddenly cut away from a story cutscene to the complete menu before its ended....and random yelling by deacon for no reason has made me laugh
The game really doesn't do anything new or as good as similar games which is why I can see the review scores are mixed..it's a good popcorn third person game but I'm probably not going to get pulled back to it once I completed it.
There is a fair bit of repetition already with nest clearing and some annoying bugs where it will suddenly cut away from a story cutscene to the complete menu before its ended....and random yelling by deacon for no reason has made me laugh
The game really doesn't do anything new or as good as similar games which is why I can see the review scores are mixed..it's a good popcorn third person game but I'm probably not going to get pulled back to it once I completed it.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
It is for me, ordered on PSN at just about the same time I started reading this thread and watching DF's tech showcase article on Days Gone.
It is frankly a bit offending for the devs when people cal it generic busywork especially because the game is not generic and clearly they are taking inspiration from where they live (Oregon) to create the detailed environment and add all the layers of atmosphere they found through dynamic lighting, time of day passing, shadowing of even minute objects scattered on the landscape, height fog, sun rays, etc...
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SlashBringingHasher
Banned
a triple A game getting a 72 means its dogshit. its as simple as that
mass effect andromeda. a garbage unfinished product done by a bunch of interns and broken game. 71 on metaa
TLZ
Banned
Why is 70s considered average though? Shouldn't 50 be average, 60 above average, 70 good, 80 very good, 90 excellent/outstanding/great, 100 perfect (impossible)?
Why does this industry consider 60s and 70s bad and mediocre? It's always either 80s+ or you're shit.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Why is 70s considered average though? Shouldn't 50 be average, 60 above average, 70 good, 80 very good, 90 excellent/outstanding/great, 100 perfect (impossible)?
Why does this industry consider 60s and 70s bad and mediocre? It's always either 80s+ or you're shit.
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TLZ
Banned
Lol @ Shit Sux. Funny yet sad at the same time.Obligatory
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
... mmmh, we shall see. Fair for your not to like it, you are a bit obsessed, and I think it is a bit sad you are dancing on its grave while ignoring anything positive about it.
HeresJohnny
Member
He's been on this kick for a while now; I don't have any idea where his logic lies. This has been one of (if not the) best generations for Sony software output wise.
Kagey K
Banned
It's not the first game to get treated like this and it won't be the last.
There seem to be some short memories around here.
Just remember, no matter how bad anyone thinks something is, there are some people that might find enjoyment in it for one reason or another.
If you don't like they way people are talking about this one, maybe remember that before shitting on the next one.
Otherwise it's just hypocrisy at its finest.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
I do not recall the person you are quoting ever doing such a thing you are expressing. But in general I will agree.
Kagey K
Banned
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Fair, but I do not recall starting threads to gloat about something failing and then keep trashing it as if it had no redeemable qualities.
I had yet to finished replying to your previous message (see quote just here) where you tell me "If you don't like they way people are talking about this one, maybe remember that before shitting on the next one" and here you state "I never said they did" referencing a post where you quoted only me... apparently to react in general and talk to other people...
. Even in that case it feels like a threatening warning 
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Makoto-Yuki
Banned
not surprised. never really saw anything to interest me. just looks like another dull zombie game with boring characters.
at least sony is creating new IP and trying new things. this bombed...now go try something else.
at least sony is creating new IP and trying new things. this bombed...now go try something else.
Kagey K
Banned
Fair, but I do not recall starting threads to gloat about something failing and then keep trashing it as if it had no redeemable qualities.
I had yet to finished replying to your previous message (see quote just here) where you tell me "If you don't like they way people are talking about this one, maybe remember that before shitting on the next one" and here you state "I never said they did" referencing a post where you quoted only me... apparently to react in general and talk to other people...
It was meant to invoke reflection, instead of you I could have used the vis a vis tag if still worked.
I think it's something everyone should think about. I was following your conversation chain with him and it seemed like a good place to quote it from.
It was meant to carry the conversation, not point the finger at you directly.
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Maguro
Member
To me - someone who dislikes Uncharted and The last of us, this game seems like a very dull experience. It seems like Sony is rehashing these games, made some little things a little bit different and hope it's enough to sell. Not saying they aren't big and stuff to do in them. But of you're sick of zombielike, cinematic walking/driving Sims with a white boring dude, it's probably enough to keep you away from these games.
What I miss most is the creativity and fantasy in first party games. Not even God of War was just God of War. It was half a dad sim and I don't care for that emotional mumbo jumbo. The gameplay was okay here but nothing great. At least they went with a bit more fantasy here
What I miss most is the creativity and fantasy in first party games. Not even God of War was just God of War. It was half a dad sim and I don't care for that emotional mumbo jumbo. The gameplay was okay here but nothing great. At least they went with a bit more fantasy here
captainraincoat
Banned
It's not a bad game....it's just that the genre has been done to death from 3rd and first party and it's pretty stale..
Hopefully Sony branch out and start concentrating more on different sorts of games ..in particular multiplayer titles as they have dropped off a cliff in this area.
Hopefully Sony branch out and start concentrating more on different sorts of games ..in particular multiplayer titles as they have dropped off a cliff in this area.
Kagey K
Banned
I think if it was more polished, people could have forgave the repetitiveness.
If it was more varied, they could have forgiven the jankiness.
It did neither well. It was janky and repetitive.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Given the setting they chose and the time it took to develop it is possible that when they started the genre was nowhere near as crowded... in a way are we saying Sony should have cancelled their a year or two ago after 5-6 years of work?
It is likely this was a studio dream rather than a corporate mandate, given the demonstrated freedom Sony gives to WWS studios... hence I am happy it came out and it does look gorgeous.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Honestly, from the DF breakdown , I do not see lack of polish nor lack of variety... actually the opposite.
Kagey K
Banned
So it's the same basic fetch quests, doesn't bother you?
The mission where you drive to the other end of the map only to have her say she doesn't like it here doesn't bother you?
It's not janky?
Now I feel like you aren't being real.
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bitbydeath
Gold Member
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
I was not saying it is not janky or it is perfect, but for me story, character, and atmosphere are also part of the games I play. I can tolerate fetch quests if the dressing around them is decent and the world pulls me in... I do tons of the random busy work as you say in Spider-Man because the game and its world are just so engaging.
I find the game not to be the cheap underpolished shit some people seem to imply and your counter of "huh huh does not this <insert thing> does not bother you?! Huh?" makes me less interested in how you feel about me being real or not. Especially because again you are arguing, again, against windmills. First it was about "talking to me, but not to" me and then trying to debate the game being perfect or not which is a point I was not making.
You are saying it is janky and repetitive (how much janky and how repetitive is up for debate, but not if they are... not trying to argue about it being a 10/10 game), but if it were polished and varied then the jankyness and the repetition could be forgiven... I said that the game, especially for a small studio allowed the time they needed to compete their vision, is quite polished and does have environment variety and detail and they contribute to the atmosphere the game tries to get you immersed in.
This and the shortcomings of the game can be seen in the DF analysis I linked to... rewatching could help.
Kagey K
Banned
I think with that we are good.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Kagey K
Banned
We don't, but I'm going to leave it at that.Good, glad we agree.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
I know, we are agreeing to disagreeing while respecting each other's points?
captainraincoat
Banned
Game does look gorgeous i give it that......although i keep getting far cry vibes when playing and expecting to be transported away
Edit - Sorry didnt realise its the same place...but im liking it
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DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
No, 72 is not a bad score.
With triple A title, you would expect the reviews to be positive, but that's clearly what did not happen.
With that being said, that doesn't mean the game is bad.
People are saying, "Now PS fans knows how it feels to receive a low rated game."
No.
The problem with games like Sea of Thieves is that it launched with little content. People said it was fine, but those same people bashed GT Sport for releasing with little content and charging $60 for the game.
The problem is not the overall score, it's the problem people are seeing with the game and cry media bias as to why their games are scoring lower than expected. When Crackdown 3 scored in the 60s, people were saying, "that's how crackdown is. They just never played a crackdown game before" or "If this was a Sony exclusive, it would've scored higher.
From what I've seen, Sony fans are generally more accepting when it comes to complaints people have of Days Gone compared to what I've seen from Xbox fans when it came to Sea of Thieves, Crackdown 3 and State of Decay 2.
With triple A title, you would expect the reviews to be positive, but that's clearly what did not happen.
With that being said, that doesn't mean the game is bad.
People are saying, "Now PS fans knows how it feels to receive a low rated game."
No.
The problem with games like Sea of Thieves is that it launched with little content. People said it was fine, but those same people bashed GT Sport for releasing with little content and charging $60 for the game.
The problem is not the overall score, it's the problem people are seeing with the game and cry media bias as to why their games are scoring lower than expected. When Crackdown 3 scored in the 60s, people were saying, "that's how crackdown is. They just never played a crackdown game before" or "If this was a Sony exclusive, it would've scored higher.
From what I've seen, Sony fans are generally more accepting when it comes to complaints people have of Days Gone compared to what I've seen from Xbox fans when it came to Sea of Thieves, Crackdown 3 and State of Decay 2.
Why is 70s considered average though? Shouldn't 50 be average, 60 above average, 70 good, 80 very good, 90 excellent/outstanding/great, 100 perfect (impossible)?
Why does this industry consider 60s and 70s bad and mediocre? It's always either 80s+ or you're shit.
A Metacritic 100 is perfectly average in terms of appeal, standard subjectivity hedges apply to all other questions of general quality. It's Family Feud/daytrading/democracy; the answer to the question is whatever the single largest group of responders think it is. I'll leave it to anyone else to speculate as to just how bad a game has to be to fail to appeal to the Brad Shoemakers of the world, but given the genre and gameplay it's not really a good sign.
Gavon West
Spread's Cheeks for Intrusive Ads
Frankly, I don't care how well the game does. Its another game under the Sony umbrella, so I guess that's a thing. But its funny to hear statements like the one you made here. Its exactly what Crackdown fans were stating. Again though, reviews mean fuck all when it comes to the games you like. You like what you like. That's what matters.
Gamernyc78
Banned
I'm not him but I did and it's my only platinum ever
That game was just so good. I did every chalice dungeon.JustP_Gaming
Banned
I believe Sony has inadvertently put too much pressure on their teams to continuously raise the bar for game development. The fans now expect AAA 90 metacritic scores, the journalists expect AAA 90 metacritic scores and if a Sony dev comes in slightly under, that its "Sony's game is shit". Im, not a Sony fan but I must say the game looks very good and I'm sure its fun to play, but like I said Sony has painted this picture of quality that will be impossible to sustain consistently.
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