liquidspeed
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Seriously..... He was probably being sarcastic/ joking......... back on topic WOW at the diffrence dynamic radiosity makesZedsdeadbaby said:
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KILLZONE 2 - input lag now? if you want a reskinned COD4, go play WaW
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NemesisPrime
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Private Hoffman said:
ROFL. Radiosity is so 1990s.
Kinda funny that a mediocre dev like Guerrilla now suddenly is the best on the planet!
Some of you guys need to read more books about all this. Spewing buzzword bingo stuff is not helping. KZ2 looks ace... just stop the crazy PR spins.
CrushDance
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:lolNemesisPrime said:
liquidspeed
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Naaaa. They are so WOwed by Teh Awesomeness, that if they get any closer, they wont be able to contain all the WOWSLoudninja said:
Private Hoffman
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NemesisPrime said:
Yes, because posting about upcoming tech that may be used in KZ3 is 'crazy PR spins'.
Can we get the 'mediocre' dev shit out of this thread?
Unknown One
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You're ragging on anticipation for new tech in sequels :lol
Everybody does that and you come in here insulting the devs :lol
What next? Being excited for a game is a PR spin :lol
Everybody does that and you come in here insulting the devs :lol
What next? Being excited for a game is a PR spin :lol
CrushDance
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The official thread is going to be terrible, I hope Bish or someone else comes in to moderate.
Excuse me, but some of us like to hear about those "crazy PR spins", be it Killzone or any other game. I also didn't know pr spin is the new word for tech talk. Guess you learn something every day.NemesisPrime said:
Oh, I would also appreciate it if Hoffman can provide a link, as I'd like to read more (if there is more?).
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RadioHeadAche
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CrushDance said:
He did:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=14351602&postcount=14680
...and that's all that needs to be said.
CrushDance
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I saw that banning, I was referring to the official thread.RadioHeadAche said:
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Flunkie said:
:lol :lol :lol What was that? Game looks awesome btw.
RadioHeadAche
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CrushDance said:I saw that banning, I was referring to the official thread.
Close enough.
NemesisPrime said:
Dude the fuck out of here with that shit! Its getting really really old.
That said, you'll be the one eating crow when Killzone 2 comes out, so troll as much as you can when there's still time...
ChryZ said:I took the liberty of adding teh killzowned
Behold the power of Killzone 2!
Liabe Brave
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Maybe in the PC world, but for consoles it's just becoming possible. For example, the art design of Mirror's Edge is basically founded on clean, simple textures married to radiosity lighting (pre-baked, I think). In addition, one of the technical talking points of the next Splinter Cell is that it will have realtime radiosity lighting.NemesisPrime said:
RadioHeadAche
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DeZimatoR said:
Behold the power of Killzone 2!
He must be taking things very well, because it looks as though his friends are glitching out from amazement.
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NemesisPrime said:
Word up, my Voodoo2 was rockin' the radiosity like it wasn't even funny!
Buzzwords~!
bishoptl said:
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh how I've tried. There ain't no PartnerNet for the PS3! It's painful! It hurts! Right here! In the pee-pee! It's like that beautiful, perfect, exquisitely huge breast belonging to the most amazingly, adorably hot Japanese girl is made of raw electricity. I know I shouldn't touch, I know it's bad to go back and try again, and yet my hand just reaches out.... "Asian girls don't have boobs that big or that perfect," I say to myself, and so I must repeat my actions, so as to confirm that which my eyes behold isn't just pure fantasy.
And for a moment, isn't. For a precious few seconds, it's... perfect. The amazing, incredible, magical fantastit. And then come the bees. They're made of electricity, y'see, but at first they dance and you think it's kinda fun to watch. Then come the stings.... And you know you were wrong. You were so wrong.
...Unless you meant that dude that posted, in which case, I agree. Lots.
NemesisPrime
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Private Hoffman said:
You are just spewing random words without even knowing what it is all about. Mediocre?... well lets see if they rise above their previous titles when KZ2 gets reviewed. Things are looking good for them... but some of you guys are now elevating everything they do to ridiculous status. Realtime radiosity? Yeah.. maybe... but I do hope you understand the consequences of what you are saying.
In many ways it is quite funny to see this thread... so many people suddenly becoming experts at global illumination. Many people have been working ages on a lot of this uber advanced stuff... it trickles down slowly into the gaming engines and usually in small, modest implementations.
Private Hoffman
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NemesisPrime said:
I copied and pasted a quote from one of the devs.
How am I spewing random words without knowing what it is all about? :lol Take that issue up with Guerilla Games. I'm sure your research into procedural generated content far outweighs anything that they know (being a mediocre dev, and all).
I fully realize there are graphical 'tricks' to accomplish certain well established rendering/lighting techniques, but that doesn't mean we should disregard their comments as 'PR spin'. I think your agenda is duly noted.
You just called GG a 'mediocre' dev, FFS, in response to a comment about tech. Does anyone in the world question their talent when it comes to that??? Seriously, they have cemented themselves as one of the top devs in the industry (if not THE top) when it comes to graphics.
A Swedish newspaper has posted their review of Killzone 2.
It got a 4 out of 5.
Link (in swedish)
http://www.folkbladet.nu/?p=132178
It got a 4 out of 5.
Link (in swedish)
http://www.folkbladet.nu/?p=132178
Zedsdeadbaby
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I was surprised to read that Killzone 2 doesn't use HDR. It's proof that it isn't the be all and end all. I'm fed up with everything looking like it's reflecting the sun in other games. The alternative lighting methods and algorithms shown in the game looks far better than everything else I've seen. Hopefully this will encourage other developers to look for other avenues regarding lighting in their games than just HDR, a lighting method that never really looked right, and traditionally considered way too expensive for the end result.
There is no doubt that some people will start seeing this as a 'compromise' but those smart enough will see this as an alternative means, one that was evidently chosen for the better.
There is no doubt that some people will start seeing this as a 'compromise' but those smart enough will see this as an alternative means, one that was evidently chosen for the better.
their ridiculously impressive game engine speaks volumes about the knowledge and skill their technical programmers have. GG technical programmers have proven themselves top tier. mediocrity does not spawn exceptionality.NemesisPrime said:
:lol it trickles down into gaming engines because gaming engines need to be real-time. getting nice rendering and lighting algorithms for images that have all day to render (or movies taking days or more to render) is one thing -- getting similar effects working at 30+ frames per second with real-time physics and other calculations on limited hardware is a MUCH more challenging task.NemesisPrime said:
NemesisPrime said:
You really want Killzone 2 to fail to to prove your 'Guerrilla is a bunch of mediocre devs' point don't you? You're fucking sad...
Kingsgoon said:
Wtf?
What's up with all the newspapers in Sweden breaking the review embargo for KZ 2 and giving it 4/5? I mean, there's been like 3 of them already :lol
Private Hoffman
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I think that's the same newspaper.
ItAintEasyBeinCheesy
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Kingsgoon said:
A random mens mag gave it 5 dicks out 5 dicks.
Dicks
PENIS.
If anyone wants to read the review just run it through google translate. (swedish -> english)
http://translate.google.com/translate_t#
Review
http://www.folkbladet.nu/?p=132178
http://translate.google.com/translate_t#
Review
http://www.folkbladet.nu/?p=132178
NemesisPrime
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I don't agree. They have picked some very specific pieces of tech to use in KZ2 with great effect (and I agree it looks good) but there are many advanced things missing as a result. This is usually how it goes in games dev. You pick a certain route and pick the tech based on what you want to achieve and how you want your game to look. The result for KZ2 is very nice.Private Hoffman said:
I am very skeptical about a company suddenly being elevated to god status by the fanboys. TBH I have rarely seen white papers and/or GDC presentation from GG people about graphics (I can remember only one) so it is a bit much to claim they are leading. They picked e certain style and maximized the hell out of it. Why are you people so easily "insulted" over this? A bit of reality would serve most of you well.
AND BTW.. no my work in procedural stuff is not above or below their stuff. It is a different field with different goals and different people, but a nice personal attack anyway. next time I will put b*llshit on my personal info like many.
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GG have more than proved themselves to be one of the most technically proficient teams working in the business at the moment, it's whether or not they can pull off what I call "Valve quality" level design, that's the big question mark.
Impressions seem favourable, which is great obviously. I really hope they do, or at the very least get close.
Impressions seem favourable, which is great obviously. I really hope they do, or at the very least get close.
Ok, you two ,stop fighting !
NemesisPrime and PrivateHoffman HUG NOW !
Come on kids, everyone wants to have fun with KZ2, thats the only thing that matters, you can have a gazillion shaders and techniques but what really matters is fun.
Remember: FUN > Rendering techniques.
NemesisPrime and PrivateHoffman HUG NOW !
Come on kids, everyone wants to have fun with KZ2, thats the only thing that matters, you can have a gazillion shaders and techniques but what really matters is fun.
Remember: FUN > Rendering techniques.
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