... Yes? Ok, maybe not a lot of money, but surely more than enough to cover the localization process. I think dealing with PR-related criticism is a much bigger deal than most people assume, specially in the gaming environment. A twitter (or whatever) backlash/boycott, as idiotic as it sounds, may cause a big enough damage to a game if it takes relatively big proportions. If we as consumers are aware of that, I can only imagine how a dev as a whole must take this into consideration at situations like this.
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Play-Asia says SJWs to blame for DOAX3 not coming west
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... Yes? Ok, maybe not a lot of money, but surely more than enough to cover the localization process. I think dealing with PR-related criticism is a much bigger deal than most people assume, specially in the gaming environment. A twitter (or whatever) backlash/boycott, as idiotic as it sounds, may cause a big enough damage to a game if it takes relatively big proportions. If we as consumers are aware of that, I can only imagine how a dev as a whole must take this into consideration at situations like this.
Well, either you think the series is unjustified then, or you think it doesn't need justification. And in the latter case, then, who gives a shit what some random bloggers have to say about it?
Fine Ham Abounds
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the shit has always gotten "heat" it's just that the "heat" is some website posting a listicle of the top 10 mysoginistic games, which no one cares about
Beer Monkey
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I thought the 'Belle Knox' saga taught that porn (even degrading violent porn) is empowering for women?
If anything, criticism will increase sales.
Controversy is fantastic free marketing.
If anything, criticism will increase sales.
Controversy is fantastic free marketing.
partyphone
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that's not even what she's saying. wtf is wrong with you people?
Yeah it's like I've stepped into some parallel universe where DoA and especially DoAX wasn't considered a joke since the early 2000s and I don't know what's going on.
Steve Youngblood
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I feel like this is a non-starter. Even if DoAX3 isn't justified in the minds of the social commentators Tecmo is supposedly terrified and/or uninterested in taking on, then what possible damage can that do to DoA6 when it once again has hot women in sexy outfits and also has to prove itself as a capable fighter? I feel like we're being asked to connect randomly placed dots and told that there is a picture of something there.
Lalalandia
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Breaking even is a losing game long term, if it doesn't make at least !00% more than the cost of localisation it wasn't worth it. There's a reason we love niche import houses and tolerate the time it takes for localisation as they can survive on modest profits, KT expects a lot more.
BrendanSinclair
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Ok, it's passion. But maybe passion isn't such a great thing when it's militantly focused on "defending" brands and commercial products from criticism or alteration?
maladroit
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Feel free to enlighten me with your interpretation.
LifeBrandRobot
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Well they're not wrong...
Even if SJWs haven't actually started protesting the game yet, the fact that companies now fear them is still on them.
Even if SJWs haven't actually started protesting the game yet, the fact that companies now fear them is still on them.
I think it's possible. Obviously, it would be an incredible boneheaded position, but this is video games where publishers being incredibly boneheaded is par for the course. I think it's a bit weird in this instance that everyone is immediately assuming that KT is attempting some nefarious scheme to deflect attention toward 'SJWs' based on one Facebook post. Never attribute malice, etc.
Valdfellgar
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I edited it. Sorry. And yeah telling me to grow up really pulls me over to your side. I feel bad using the word but it's this shaming that breeds anger and frustration.
Don't forget that Tecmo did try to advertise DoA5 as a serious fighting game initially. The tag line was "I am a Fighter". The optional DLC costumes that arrived later on was mostly noticed by the more dedicated niche of the fanbase. DoA5, unlike DoAX relies on a more mainstream crowd to be profitable. If there is bad publicity towards the series, then yes I can see how it impacts DoA6, which is more reliant on mainstream exposure.
Steve Youngblood
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I think dealing with PR-issues can be a big deal, but it depends on the context. I don't understand why the threat of a critical Kotaku or Polygon or random blog piece, or maybe at worst being featured in a Tropes vs. Women video means some sort of PR nightmare for the company that already releases a series known for featuring sexy women. I mean, if you're Disney or Nintendo and you've got an image as a family company, this could be problematic. But for Team Ninja and Tecmo?
If there's money to be made you and you don't feel like jumping into the fray of the conversation, then you just release the game and tell your PR people not to engage in any social dialogue about it while making money selling video games.
She's saying she knows people who is rethink contracts with Play-Asia, not that she is getting people to rethink their contracts.
Steve Youngblood
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You'll note that I accounted for the possibility that this was simply someone not in a decision-making position speaking out of turn. I also locked the first thread about this yesterday as not being reliably sourced.
stump sock
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come on man
MHWilliams
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Released this year with no issues.
and... Dead or Alive 5: Last Round.
Oh, the backlash against these games was huge. Things getting real hard if you want to bring over Japanese sexy girl games to North America. Life on those streets.
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and... Dead or Alive 5: Last Round.
Oh, the backlash against these games was huge. Things getting real hard if you want to bring over Japanese sexy girl games to North America. Life on those streets.
Released this year with no issues.
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Akiba's Trip
Onechanbara Z2
Senran Kagura: Deep Crimson
Senran Kagura: Estival Versus
Dungeon Travelers 2
Criminal Girls: Invite Only
Operation Abyss
Hyperdimension Neptunia Re;Birth1,2 and 3
Hyperdevotion Noire
Omega Quintet
Oh, the backlash against these games was huge. Things getting real hard if you want to bring over Japanese sexy girl games to North America. Life on those streets.
Seems clear the answer is to port the game to the VIta, that way the west can have it.
NoblesseOblige
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As bad as you feel I'm sure the people who are personally affected by the word 'trannies' feel many times worse.
TurnipFritters
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Guess what system the game is available on.
Phat Michael
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I love play Asia. Before digital games I bought everything from them. Love their $10 coupons as well.
Yeah I saw your post above mine so I edited my original post.
It was easy to assume you never played it since you compared to Hatred of all things.
Ha I thought it was just a PS4 game.
If the goal is for DoA to be taken more seriously, maybe stop making DoAX and releasing all those fanservice costumes in the first place. If they want to change the perception of the games, they're going to need to change the games. I don't think they should have to as long as they're willing to accept the (not even inaccurate!) perception of what the games are, but if a newer, more accessible standard is where the money lies or if they don't want to accept the image that has been built up, then they should do it instead of sticking to the old way and then whining on the internet about it.
About Schrier, remember calling him out here when this happened and from what u remember we both agreed that he was kinda right but the way he presented it at the time was stupid.
If you throw a bag of poop chances are you'll get a bag if poop thrown at you.
Discussion can get you far, shit flinging is only fun for a second.
Dragon's Crown was at 800k 18 months ago
with digital and all the sales I reckon it's more now.PS. It's a great game with 3 characters that leaves little to imagination.
BTW not attacking you.
Anyway, always heard how the mechanics where gay bashing racist pricks. Always.
Go down to ground floor because I have to talk with the reparation crew. Notice those titty posters yeah and u nearly broke my neck seeing a sexy as hell fireman standing there all dirty and bare Chested on the calender next to it. They did notice me seeing it and just giggled until I asked.
Well the only thing I got was that some working there where women and some where gay. Everyone deserves eye candy.
And through the years I've been here I've come to see how refreshingly straight they are(not sexual). NO bs like i have to deal with in the office all the time. No talking behind ones back. If they have a problem with something they say it to you.
Fuck i love those guys, even when they flirt with me just to mess with me. Thought I was getting lucky but dude was just messing. Sigh, and he knows I think he's hot as hell. But hey, even at work we can have fun and play
TN seems like an anti-midas of a sort, anything they do on their own turns to shite.
Even works with former colleague, I mean look at Devil 3rd.
I couldn't be happier that shitheels would rally over spending their money on shitty games. If they could limit their taste to shit like Hatred and Titty volleyball in Bikini #85...
MHWilliams
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The PS4 just has the more robust version. Vita release loses some graphical features.
I'm sorry, this is classic, "if you stop calling racists 'racist' maybe they'll come to your side better" reasoning.
Lol at the "contacts" and "works at Nintendo" comments lol
There's something about this that isn't quite right...
I'm not saying there was necessarily a mistake in the PR department, I'm just pointing out the possibility that the actual decision was based off the perceived possibility of backlash, despite how stupid that would be.
I also might not be up to date on this entire saga. This was all kicked off by a post on Facebook talking about the decision to not localize DoAX3 with Play Asia now trying to ride of the controversy right?
stump sock
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I mean this is kind of what Akiba's Trip did. equal opportunity lewdness!
SlipperyFishes
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Given that the person who runs the Twitter account for Play-Asia just decided to follow a Gator news site as well as Direct2Drive it makes me think if its the same person, or PR team running both accounts.
Would be very interested to know if there's COLLUSION (lol) there.
prag16
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If they hadn't used the term "SJW", would this still be so controversial? If they had substituted something more general like "social media crusaders"?
Regardless, they probably feel vindicated after watching the internet's reaction. They set out to ridicule the western twitterverse so to speak, and the western twitterverse responds basically with more of what they're being ridiculed for.
Yeah, it's a blatant shameless attempt by playasia to be edgy and controversial, but if nobody took the bait, there would be no controversy. Is "SJW" on its own considered hate speech now or something?
Regardless, they probably feel vindicated after watching the internet's reaction. They set out to ridicule the western twitterverse so to speak, and the western twitterverse responds basically with more of what they're being ridiculed for.
Yeah, it's a blatant shameless attempt by playasia to be edgy and controversial, but if nobody took the bait, there would be no controversy. Is "SJW" on its own considered hate speech now or something?
Valdfellgar
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No it isn't. I'm saying be nicer about it. I'm not as familiar with transsexual orientation and was not as familiar with how offensive the word is seen. Educate me don't belittle me.
Why are these archive.is links?
Vita is like the creepy uncle who has Persona 4 golden.
If developers are afraid of the 'shaming' they may endure from making a game like DOAX, then why are they making games like DOAX?
Here's the funny thing: most feminist critiques would give a game like DOAX a pass BECAUSE it is purely eye-candy and is being honest about it. It's precisely games like DoA that draw criticism because they obfuscate an otherwise solid fighting game with tits and ass to sell it. And even then, DoA still gets a bit of a pass because, in some way, they are also being honest about just being a solid fighting game with tits and ass.
MotionBlue
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I highly doubt anyone is reconsidering their contract. Play Asia is one of the biggest Asia to America importers on the internet.
Need to have proof that Kevin Van Ord said he wouldn't buy stuff from Play Asia anymore at a moment's notice.
radios shipping overview
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Looks like P-A doubled down on the gatorbait overnight. Fuck 'em, I'm done.
SlipperyFishes
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Because they're not allowed to visit "enemy sites" and reward them with clicks, and yeah, as someone else said they need to be able to prove this in the future I guess.
DICKS AHOY
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yeah but he also has good looks and PS1 emulation
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