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Play-Asia says SJWs to blame for DOAX3 not coming west
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Sun Bather
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Why do they sound so angry about them having to sell it now lol
Green Card
Member
I like the talk of how shitty the sales were so it was never coming. It sold enough to develop a third game and translate it to English (you would think this would be one of the biggest hurdles) but not enough to release in the largest market. Got it.
Ragnorok64
Member
Did this fool just lump Dragon's Crown together with Hatred??
The fact that it was pre-empted by Niche Gamer feels pretty suss. Not that they're working with Play-Asia or anything, but it's just egging on anger and the like for no real reason.
BobbyRobby
Member
People who shame others for playing a game with sexualized females like DOAX3 or Dragon's Crown. I believe that to be sex negative.
Like how do you expect people to react when you call them neckbearded virgins?
Why do you expect them to have a measured response to that type of criticism?
They aren't afraid of offending someone as much as they are afraid someone will get offended on their own and get on a soapbox and make a big stink about it on really easily accessible and spreadable social media. They're fictional characters and people go nuts over them if they are offended.
There's no chance of that, no chance in hell - beat-off sims have been less useful since the internet came into our phones
DLC though.
e.g. Ultimate:
And then:
Steve Youngblood
Member
Well, do you honestly think they're looking at the projections and going "there's a lot of money to be made with a proper localization, but we'll have to deal with some annoying criticism so it's not worth it"?
NoblesseOblige
Banned
Who is shaming people for playing a DOAX3 or Dragon's Crown?
Also no, that's not sex-negative feminism. Sex-negative feminists are those who think women choosing to portray themselves sexually are negative to women as a whole. They're the ones who are against women who choose to be in porn and those who made the decision themselves to be strippers, etc.
Gentleman Jack
Member
Their facebook links directly to a column by a GG rabble rouser.
They're retweeting memes from guys with the GG hashtag in their twitter profile.
They're directly interacting with the twitter circle that intersects largely with a hate group that spends its time harassing others online.
Of course there are ways to speak critically of sex negative feminism without being a Gamergate ally. Just put some thought into your post, cite a reputable source (i.e. dont just post the same thunderf00t or AOS or IA youtube videos) and be ready to defend your position. Avoid the same dogwhistles used by GG ('SJW' 'TRIGGERED') and you'll be fine!
Of course, this topic is largely about Play-Asia's social media bonanza for an online hate group. Good luck trying to get a reasonable discussion about whether or not DOAX3 is problematic out of it at this point.
It was said by a person on the internet that has never played the game, I wouldn't worry.
Fine Ham Abounds
Member
No disagreement, but there has been some weird judgement in here that's a bit beyond just calling perverts what they are, so I took a bit of issue with those posts.
Just an aside, Dragon's Crown certainly has some hilariously pandering designs, but mechanically it's superior to any game made solely for salacious purposes.
Sorry for being dickish in my response.
BobbyRobby
Member
People are in this thread. Articles have been written about it.
I don't have a problem with criticism of these games, but don't be surprised when consumers and sellers of said product are critical and flippant in return with you.
If Koei-Tecmo legitimately can't handle the heat for making softcore porn games, then maybe they shouldn't put themselves in the fire by doing so in the first place. Pointing fingers at some internet boogeyman that is largely exaggerated if not imaginary much of the time is stupid (especially so if it'd actually cost them money) and cowardly.
If it's a long con, though, it might just be good business, for both K-T and Play-Asia.
Or it could just be a couple social media jockeys being unprofessional injecting their own personal views into official company messages.
If it's a long con, though, it might just be good business, for both K-T and Play-Asia.
Or it could just be a couple social media jockeys being unprofessional injecting their own personal views into official company messages.
DICKS AHOY
Banned
This is why I lump 'SJW' at this point with those sort of terms. It becomes increasingly meaningless to the point where it may as well just mean 'person I don't like who's left leaning to a certain extent', much like neckbeard means 'person I don't like who's geeky to a certain extent'.
Internet buzzwords are cancer.
I have no clue what your on.
I'm laughing at the tweets.
I do not care about the game.
I do not care that people want to buy it.
I do not care that some don't want to buy it.
I do not care about two "groups"* of people trying to outshine each other in the shit department.
I do not care what an adult person plays.
I would care if you slapped this game as the only baby sitter for your children.
I actually believe most people can differentiate between this and people.
*check reddit, was a bunch of shit that came to light with more "GG vs SJW" shit. People who had never done any harm, normal people, lost their jobs just because.
PS, I do believe there is a problem with society and perceived sexuality. I don't think we'll be able to discuss it reasonable with each other though since I do not care to. I'm way to tired.
Chaos2Frozen
Member
They're not making the game for the west in the first place, why do you think the character polls were only for Japan and Asia?
partyphone
Banned
yeah no that's not sex negative. there's a difference between sex and sexual objectification.
regardless not many people actually care about this game as far as this goes, though. a few driveby posts in this thread don't matter in the grand scheme of things.
Oh, cool, then nobody's censoring them from doing what they wanted.
Yeah I try to avoid all of that shit when I can.
NoblesseOblige
Banned
I edited my previous post to provide you a more accurate idea of what sex-negative feminism is. But as a response to this post, maybe you should quote those people or link the articles if you're going to make the case of associating them with sex-negative feminism. Otherwise it looks like you're just making up a boogeyman.
We all forgot Coolio's posts.
DoA is more than just DOAX. If DOAX negatively impacts their more popular DoA fighting game brand in the west, then the risk isn't worth it.
DoA is more than just DOAX. If DOAX negatively impacts their more popular DoA fighting game brand in the west, then the risk isn't worth it.
partyphone
Banned
you're interpreting this as pissed off? okay....
Vincent Grayson
Member
The whole neckbeard thing has always been pretty fucking shameful.
As someone who generally swings more SJW than not, that shit has always bothered me. Name calling helps no one, furthers no arguments, and just makes you look like an asshole.
They're the official distributor for JAST USA (Steins Gate, other VNs)
I ordered from them once, not realizing I could get the same game on Amazon. Price was high. Customer service was slow. Never again. I've ordered from play-asia in the past as well, but similarly this was because I hadn't yet discovered the multitude of better retailers that were available. These companies really do a good job of putting themselves out there.
Fine Ham Abounds
Member
Talk to J Schreier bout that Dragon's Crown.
They're definitely not happy with the SJW label being tossed around.
Valdfellgar
Banned
I had a feeling something like this would eventually happen in response to the PC movement trends of the past few years. Thats not to say its critics fault that Koei Tecmo chose not to localize DOAExtreme 3, but I do believe there is something to be said for the backlash that follows what critics end up writing about the various games they criticize.
The problems I have with the PC movement revolves around the backlash and subsequent shaming that follows much of the critical analysis of titles. I also believe the PC movement isnt as focused as it should be, hitting certain targets that ultimately they shouldnt be aiming at in favor of other games, anime, and film that are far more deserving of the backlash or criticism, namely the mainstream games that include unneeded and unwanted sexualization. The PC movement, of course, isnt some kind of monolithic entity, but instead a growing, and vocal, idealism thats permeating throughout society. And the DOA situation is a direct reflection of the spread of that idealism and the actions that result from it.
Koei Tecmo is absolutely to blame for ultimately choosing to avoid any potential backlash by not publishing their game. However, I find their reaction understandable on two separate grounds. Firstly, from the predominantly business perspective, of wanting to avoid the stigma associated with being accused of sexist and bigoted attitudes. The stigma surrounding these attributes is high, and long-lasting if a company doesnt at least attempt to address the criticism (unfounded or not.) Normally companies would simply adjust their product in response to this, like Lara Crofts adjustment between the last two Tomb Raider games, or CODs inclusion of female soldiers. The trouble is DOAExtreme 3 doesnt have anywhere to go. Its purpose is to titillate male gamers with bouncing bosoms. There isnt really anywhere for that to go, not that the PC movement would be responsive to, at least in my opinion. The very nature of the product stands in the face of what the PC movement uh, well, stands for.
On the second count: From an artists perspective I also understand the fear associated with releasing your product in this atmosphere. Because at the end of the day DOAExtreme3 is a creative work (yes, amongst all the bouncing boobs theres creativity there.) and receiving harsh criticism that centers on accusations of sexism, bigotry, or racism feel particularly disheartening. Criticism itself is already hard enough to take as a writer, or artist, but to have your work hit with such damaging or shameful labels is particularly grueling. Its part of why that Dragons Crown artist reacted so volatile as he did to that Kotaku article (It was Kotaku right? Its been awhile since I followed that story.) Sexism, Bigotry, and Racism are not things you wish to be accused of. Those words get thrown around and those labels stick. Just look at all the people damning Play-Asia for its response, swearing off them forever, accusing them of being bigots, anti-progressive, etc. This is something thatll stick with Play-Asia for sometime and I dont think they appreciate the long-lasting effects of pissing off a certain segment of individuals. While I dont think theyll be bleeding customers because of this, I think word of mouth will cause damage to acquiring new customers over the next few months, perhaps years, totally depends on how long they choose to fight this battle. (Im sure theyll also lose customers as this incident convinces them to look elsewhere and bring to light better deals anyway.)
Ultimately I feel the PC Movement and Culture has gone too far. The big issue is that PC culture is entirely unfocused. Its like a kid with a stick swinging at everything around him, instead of attempting to focus in on the pinata. I agree with aspects of the PC ideal, striking blatant and unnecessary sexualization from mainstream entertainment (Metal Gear Solid 5s Quiet.) or growing female characters from more than a fine ass and a nice set of breasts. But I feel media meant entirely to titillate and arouse (DOA Extreme 3, Senran Kagura, Omegas Labyrinth, etc.) needs to be viewed in a different fashion. You cant apply the same expectations to something meant to get the viewer, or gamer, off as something like Assassins Creed, or Metal Gear, or Mass Effect. That doesnt mean these games or types of media are beyond criticism. No, But I think the criticism needs to be focused in a different way. Such as: How or What are they trying to sexualize? For example: Criminal Girls is something I feel deserves heavy criticism for its sexualized depiction of little girls. Or Bullet Girls and its chocolate covered banana you can rub all over the girls during Play time sequences. These are things that should be criticized and corrected/refined in these games.
Ultimately the biggest issue is the shaming. Professional Critics arent really to blame for this, except maybe for a few who use too colorful/hyperbolic language to describe their position. Instead the shaming comes from the outrage following critics bringing issues to light. I also dont believe this outrage is manufactured, or inherently wrong, but a natural by-product of our highly connected world thanks to social media. I think the problem is that outrage leads to the shaming, to making individuals feel badly about themselves and their interests.
In Todays society its not unnatural at all to build your identity around your interests or line of work. On a smaller, more intimate scale, people grow attached to the media they consume. How many people still love the original Transformers after all these years? How many people still grow frustrated at Michael Bays continued Reimagining of their beloved characters? What you like becomes a part of you and in some way when those things you like are attacked you too can feel injured. When a series you enjoy is criticized with such powerful words as being Sexist or Racist I believe its understandable for people to feel a sense of shame, feeling judged for their interest in the media they consume because that media has been labeled as wrong. (Frustration can also mount from a feeling that the media you enjoy has been Misunderstood.) Heck its why few would outright admit to watching porn, especially any extreme fetish content. The sex shaming in our culture is incredibly powerful and extends into media like DOA Extreme 3 (for obvious reasons.)
On a personal level I am not ashamed of the media I consume. I dont care if Senran Kagura is considered sexist or disgusting, I know in my heart of hearts that it isnt and thats enough for me. But other people dont see it the same way, other people cant/ or dont want to divorce themselves from the media they love. I dont think thats weak, I think thats passion. The frustration that results from being shamed is powerful and Im not surprised at all that this is blowing up, nor am I surprised that people at Koei Tecmo want to ultimately avoid this.
I think the shaming needs to be expressed in a healthier fashion and I think the proper response to games like DOA Extreme 3 or Senran Kagura is not to strike them from the market, or censor them, but to create varied products that appeal to a host of audiences sexually. We need games with male muscles flexing, milfs milfing, beach boys bouncing, transgender trampolining, etc. We shouldnt want sexualization in sexy games to disappear, but instead become more varied and inclusive.
Again, sorry for the Essay.
TLDR: Sexualization isn't inherently wrong and is okay in games meant to titillate, we just need more diversified sexualized content and less sexualization in mainstream media/franchises. Or something like that, I kinda didn't write it to be summarized.
Edited to remove an offensive word, I apologize.
The problems I have with the PC movement revolves around the backlash and subsequent shaming that follows much of the critical analysis of titles. I also believe the PC movement isnt as focused as it should be, hitting certain targets that ultimately they shouldnt be aiming at in favor of other games, anime, and film that are far more deserving of the backlash or criticism, namely the mainstream games that include unneeded and unwanted sexualization. The PC movement, of course, isnt some kind of monolithic entity, but instead a growing, and vocal, idealism thats permeating throughout society. And the DOA situation is a direct reflection of the spread of that idealism and the actions that result from it.
Koei Tecmo is absolutely to blame for ultimately choosing to avoid any potential backlash by not publishing their game. However, I find their reaction understandable on two separate grounds. Firstly, from the predominantly business perspective, of wanting to avoid the stigma associated with being accused of sexist and bigoted attitudes. The stigma surrounding these attributes is high, and long-lasting if a company doesnt at least attempt to address the criticism (unfounded or not.) Normally companies would simply adjust their product in response to this, like Lara Crofts adjustment between the last two Tomb Raider games, or CODs inclusion of female soldiers. The trouble is DOAExtreme 3 doesnt have anywhere to go. Its purpose is to titillate male gamers with bouncing bosoms. There isnt really anywhere for that to go, not that the PC movement would be responsive to, at least in my opinion. The very nature of the product stands in the face of what the PC movement uh, well, stands for.
On the second count: From an artists perspective I also understand the fear associated with releasing your product in this atmosphere. Because at the end of the day DOAExtreme3 is a creative work (yes, amongst all the bouncing boobs theres creativity there.) and receiving harsh criticism that centers on accusations of sexism, bigotry, or racism feel particularly disheartening. Criticism itself is already hard enough to take as a writer, or artist, but to have your work hit with such damaging or shameful labels is particularly grueling. Its part of why that Dragons Crown artist reacted so volatile as he did to that Kotaku article (It was Kotaku right? Its been awhile since I followed that story.) Sexism, Bigotry, and Racism are not things you wish to be accused of. Those words get thrown around and those labels stick. Just look at all the people damning Play-Asia for its response, swearing off them forever, accusing them of being bigots, anti-progressive, etc. This is something thatll stick with Play-Asia for sometime and I dont think they appreciate the long-lasting effects of pissing off a certain segment of individuals. While I dont think theyll be bleeding customers because of this, I think word of mouth will cause damage to acquiring new customers over the next few months, perhaps years, totally depends on how long they choose to fight this battle. (Im sure theyll also lose customers as this incident convinces them to look elsewhere and bring to light better deals anyway.)
Ultimately I feel the PC Movement and Culture has gone too far. The big issue is that PC culture is entirely unfocused. Its like a kid with a stick swinging at everything around him, instead of attempting to focus in on the pinata. I agree with aspects of the PC ideal, striking blatant and unnecessary sexualization from mainstream entertainment (Metal Gear Solid 5s Quiet.) or growing female characters from more than a fine ass and a nice set of breasts. But I feel media meant entirely to titillate and arouse (DOA Extreme 3, Senran Kagura, Omegas Labyrinth, etc.) needs to be viewed in a different fashion. You cant apply the same expectations to something meant to get the viewer, or gamer, off as something like Assassins Creed, or Metal Gear, or Mass Effect. That doesnt mean these games or types of media are beyond criticism. No, But I think the criticism needs to be focused in a different way. Such as: How or What are they trying to sexualize? For example: Criminal Girls is something I feel deserves heavy criticism for its sexualized depiction of little girls. Or Bullet Girls and its chocolate covered banana you can rub all over the girls during Play time sequences. These are things that should be criticized and corrected/refined in these games.
Ultimately the biggest issue is the shaming. Professional Critics arent really to blame for this, except maybe for a few who use too colorful/hyperbolic language to describe their position. Instead the shaming comes from the outrage following critics bringing issues to light. I also dont believe this outrage is manufactured, or inherently wrong, but a natural by-product of our highly connected world thanks to social media. I think the problem is that outrage leads to the shaming, to making individuals feel badly about themselves and their interests.
In Todays society its not unnatural at all to build your identity around your interests or line of work. On a smaller, more intimate scale, people grow attached to the media they consume. How many people still love the original Transformers after all these years? How many people still grow frustrated at Michael Bays continued Reimagining of their beloved characters? What you like becomes a part of you and in some way when those things you like are attacked you too can feel injured. When a series you enjoy is criticized with such powerful words as being Sexist or Racist I believe its understandable for people to feel a sense of shame, feeling judged for their interest in the media they consume because that media has been labeled as wrong. (Frustration can also mount from a feeling that the media you enjoy has been Misunderstood.) Heck its why few would outright admit to watching porn, especially any extreme fetish content. The sex shaming in our culture is incredibly powerful and extends into media like DOA Extreme 3 (for obvious reasons.)
On a personal level I am not ashamed of the media I consume. I dont care if Senran Kagura is considered sexist or disgusting, I know in my heart of hearts that it isnt and thats enough for me. But other people dont see it the same way, other people cant/ or dont want to divorce themselves from the media they love. I dont think thats weak, I think thats passion. The frustration that results from being shamed is powerful and Im not surprised at all that this is blowing up, nor am I surprised that people at Koei Tecmo want to ultimately avoid this.
I think the shaming needs to be expressed in a healthier fashion and I think the proper response to games like DOA Extreme 3 or Senran Kagura is not to strike them from the market, or censor them, but to create varied products that appeal to a host of audiences sexually. We need games with male muscles flexing, milfs milfing, beach boys bouncing, transgender trampolining, etc. We shouldnt want sexualization in sexy games to disappear, but instead become more varied and inclusive.
Again, sorry for the Essay.
TLDR: Sexualization isn't inherently wrong and is okay in games meant to titillate, we just need more diversified sexualized content and less sexualization in mainstream media/franchises. Or something like that, I kinda didn't write it to be summarized.
Edited to remove an offensive word, I apologize.
Chaos2Frozen
Member
Sure, I guess? Or at least the game in it's current form.
Gentleman Jack
Member
People who keep citing Coolio's posts keep forgetting that DOA games sell like shit, and that so far it's a largely unsupported fantasy that DOAX3 is being withheld from wide north american release because of some boogeyman on twitter. It's not up to others to disprove that delusion, either.
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Deleted member 13876
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Yeah, I doubt they're really mad about this as this means more people will buy the game through their site because it isn't available in the other territories.
Steve Youngblood
Member
I don't understand how DOAX could damage a brand by doing precisely what the series is already known for.
If publishers could just get away with actually releasing AO games, I'm sure we'd avoid a lot of controversies related to titles like this one.
I don't think that the blame for that is to be placed (at least not largely placed) in the direction that people bitching about "SJWs" are pointing, though.
maladroit
Member
I'd say that woman is pretty pissed considering she thinks her pull as a former IGN employee outweighs contract law and capitalism.
Otoh look at the answers.
That's pissed off.
DOAX isn't DoA. DoA can bypass a lot of the heat by it being a fighting game (an excellent one too mind you) whereas DoAX3's entire premise is eye candy. The social media landscape has changed and I fully understand why a publisher wouldn't be comfortable risking their more profitable mainline installments over the spin-off that already sells in niche numbers.
I had a feeling something like this would eventually happen in response to the PC movement trends of the past few years. That’s not to say it’s critics fault that Koei Tecmo chose not to localize DOAExtreme 3, but I do believe there is something to be said for the backlash that follows what critics end up writing about the various games they criticize.
The problems I have with the PC movement revolves around the backlash and subsequent shaming that follows much of the critical analysis of titles. I also believe the PC movement isn’t as focused as it should be, hitting certain targets that ultimately they shouldn’t be aiming at in favor of other games, anime, and film that are far more deserving of the backlash or criticism, namely the mainstream games that include unneeded and unwanted sexualization. The PC movement, of course, isn’t some kind of monolithic entity, but instead a growing, and vocal, idealism that’s permeating throughout society. And the DOA situation is a direct reflection of the spread of that idealism and the actions that result from it.
Koei Tecmo is absolutely to blame for ultimately choosing to avoid any potential backlash by not publishing their game. However, I find their reaction understandable on two separate grounds. Firstly, from the predominantly business perspective, of wanting to avoid the stigma associated with being accused of sexist and bigoted attitudes. The stigma surrounding these attributes is high, and long-lasting if a company doesn’t at least attempt to address the criticism (unfounded or not.) Normally companies would simply adjust their product in response to this, like Lara Croft’s adjustment between the last two Tomb Raider games, or COD’s inclusion of female soldiers. The trouble is DOAExtreme 3 doesn’t have anywhere to go. It’s purpose is to titillate male gamers with bouncing bosoms. There isn’t really anywhere for that to go, not that the PC movement would be responsive to, at least in my opinion. The very nature of the product stands in the face of what the PC movement— uh, well, stands for.
On the second count: From an artist’s perspective I also understand the fear associated with releasing your product in this atmosphere. Because at the end of the day DOAExtreme3 is a creative work (yes, amongst all the bouncing boobs there’s creativity there.) and receiving harsh criticism that centers on accusations of sexism, bigotry, or racism feel particularly disheartening. Criticism itself is already hard enough to take as a writer, or artist, but to have your work hit with such damaging or shameful labels is particularly grueling. It’s part of why that Dragon’s Crown artist reacted so volatile as he did to that Kotaku article (It was Kotaku right? It’s been awhile since I followed that story.) Sexism, Bigotry, and Racism are not things you wish to be accused of. Those words get thrown around and those labels stick. Just look at all the people damning Play-Asia for its response, swearing off them forever, accusing them of being bigots, anti-progressive, etc. This is something that’ll stick with Play-Asia for sometime and I don’t think they appreciate the long-lasting effects of pissing off a certain segment of individuals. While I don’t think they’ll be bleeding customers because of this, I think word of mouth will cause damage to acquiring new customers over the next few months, perhaps years, totally depends on how long they choose to “fight” this battle. (I’m sure they’ll also lose customers as this incident convinces them to look elsewhere and bring to light better deals anyway.)
Ultimately I feel the PC Movement and Culture has gone too far. The big issue is that PC culture is entirely unfocused. It’s like a kid with a stick swinging at everything around him, instead of attempting to focus in on the pinata. I agree with aspects of the PC ideal, striking blatant and unnecessary sexualization from mainstream entertainment (Metal Gear Solid 5’s Quiet.) or growing female characters from more than a fine ass and a nice set of breasts. But I feel media meant entirely to titillate and arouse (DOA Extreme 3, Senran Kagura, Omega’s Labyrinth, etc.) needs to be viewed in a different fashion. You can’t apply the same expectations to something meant to get the viewer, or gamer, off as something like Assassin’s Creed, or Metal Gear, or Mass Effect. That doesn’t mean these games or types of media are beyond criticism. No, But I think the criticism needs to be focused in a different way. Such as: How or What are they trying to sexualize? For example: Criminal Girls is something I feel deserves heavy criticism for its sexualized depiction of little girls. Or Bullet Girls and its chocolate covered banana you can rub all over the girls during “Play time” sequences. These are things that should be criticized and corrected/refined in these games.
Ultimately the biggest issue is the shaming. Professional Critics aren’t really to blame for this, except maybe for a few who use too colorful/hyperbolic language to describe their position. Instead the shaming comes from the outrage following critics bringing issues to light. I also don’t believe this outrage is manufactured, or inherently wrong, but a natural by-product of our highly connected world thanks to social media. I think the problem is that outrage leads to the shaming, to making individuals feel badly about themselves and their interests.
In Today’s society it’s not unnatural at all to build your identity around your interests or line of work. On a smaller, more intimate scale, people grow attached to the media they consume. How many people still love the original Transformers after all these years? How many people still grow frustrated at Michael Bay’s continued “Reimagining” of their beloved characters? What you like becomes a part of you and in some way when those things you like are attacked you too can feel injured. When a series you enjoy is criticized with such powerful words as being “Sexist” or “Racist” I believe its understandable for people to feel a sense of shame, feeling judged for their interest in the media they consume because that media has been labeled as “wrong.” (Frustration can also mount from a feeling that the media you enjoy has been “Misunderstood.”Heck it’s why few would outright admit to watching porn, especially any extreme fetish content. The sex shaming in our culture is incredibly powerful and extends into media like DOA Extreme 3 (for obvious reasons.)
On a personal level I am not ashamed of the media I consume. I don’t care if Senran Kagura is considered sexist or disgusting, I know in my heart of hearts that it isn’t and that’s enough for me. But other people don’t see it the same way, other people can’t/ or don’t want to divorce themselves from the media they love. I don’t think that’s weak, I think that’s passion. The frustration that results from being shamed is powerful and I’m not surprised at all that this is blowing up, nor am I surprised that people at Koei Tecmo want to ultimately avoid this.
I think the shaming needs to be expressed in a healthier fashion and I think the proper response to games like DOA Extreme 3 or Senran Kagura is not to strike them from the market, or censor them, but to create varied products that appeal to a host of audiences sexually. We need games with male muscles flexing, milfs milfing, beach boys bouncing, trannies trampolining, etc. We shouldn’t want sexualization in sexy games to disappear, but instead become more varied and inclusive.
Again, sorry for the Essay.
TLDR: Sexualization isn't inherently wrong and is okay in games meant to titillate, we just need more diversified sexualized content and less sexualization in mainstream media/franchises. Or something like that, I kinda didn't write it to be summarized.
in using the word "trannies" it means the PC movement hasn't gone far enough
Uh, here's an idea: ADD MEN. Easy.
Honestly. If they added men to the game, I guarantee so many more people would be okay with the game's existence. I know I would.
Edit: ew 'trannies', really? Grow up.
Lalalandia
Member
Of all the games that shamelessly pander to their audience I've always admired DOA Volleyball for being absolutely clear that this is what they're doing. It's when games that are otherwise serious in tone try and pass off chainmail bikinis as top level armours superior in protection to full plate that I call bullshit. DoA is silly and at least the first apparently had a competent volleyball game too.
If Koei-Tecmo thought there was actual bank to be made in a full English port (ie full english VA, cert process, etc) they'd be there day and date. The 'ick' factor hasn't stopped them from publishing a wide variety of sexy costumes for DoA so the idea that they've just now come over all faint at the thought of criticism is ridiculous. I do hope this isn't some perverse 'Oh you really do want it then, EMEA/NA release for everyone!!' campaign because the shitstorm this has boiled up online for anyone who has ever commented on social issues in games is awful (including those wh have never even commented on a fucking DoA game).
This would also be a good move and would be fun to watch some folks head explode 'my titties but also bums?!? Oh noes'
If Koei-Tecmo thought there was actual bank to be made in a full English port (ie full english VA, cert process, etc) they'd be there day and date. The 'ick' factor hasn't stopped them from publishing a wide variety of sexy costumes for DoA so the idea that they've just now come over all faint at the thought of criticism is ridiculous. I do hope this isn't some perverse 'Oh you really do want it then, EMEA/NA release for everyone!!' campaign because the shitstorm this has boiled up online for anyone who has ever commented on social issues in games is awful (including those wh have never even commented on a fucking DoA game).
This would also be a good move and would be fun to watch some folks head explode 'my titties but also bums?!? Oh noes'
Have you actually looked at most of those links? He might as well have linked random live journals about the topic some of them are so minor (amusingly Play-Asia advertises on one of them).
One of them is a Canadian college student newspaper for pete's sake.
Steve Youngblood
Member
But some of the articles linked in that Coolio post in regards to the heat DoA faces are about the fighting games themselves and not the Xtreme Beach spinoff.
cartographer
Member
But you see, it's different this time because people care now (please ignore that people generally care less about DOAX than they did when the series was first introduced).
And like I said, they can always be justified through a capable fighting game. How can DOAX3 be "justified"? If even the mainline series is getting heat, I don't want to think what will hit DOAX3.
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