I found that during his last phase, it was easy to just shoot him to death using bone ash and then resorting to using all my blood vials to get blood bullets.
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Bloodborne: The Old Hunters |OT| Old Hunters. New Tricks, Bells & Whistles.
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I found that during his last phase, it was easy to just shoot him to death using bone ash and then resorting to using all my blood vials to get blood bullets.
I generally like having a long ranged weapon like the beast cutter and the bowblade as a back up since they can be useful in some situations.
Well yea, I don't particularly like the Lecture Building either. But I still like it more than the Research Hall. Aside from the staircase change, which was possibly bugged for me, it was just a lot of bagged heads to slaughter. The questing was just fetch tasks and not particularly interesting ones. If I concede anything, they both are equally lame.
For perspective, this is my list of best to worst BB areas.
1. Yahar'gul (H.Gaol)
2. Old Yharnam
3. Central Yharnam
4. Cainhurst
5. Hemwick
6. Nightmare
7. Cathedral Ward
8. Nightmare (DLC)
9. Forbidden Woods
10. Lecture Building
11. Research Hall (DLC)
12. Fishing Hamlet (DLC)
13. Byrgenwerth
TalesFromHoth
Neo Member
I finally just beat that Watchdog last night with my new weapon love - Beast Cutter transformed. Where have you been all my life!
Fancy Clown
Member
Ranking the areas is tough, especially since I think all the areas are really good until the last three or four on my list
1. Forbidden Woods
2. Central Yharnam
3. Nightmare of Mensis
4. Research Hall
5. Old Yharnam
6. Hemwick Charnel Lane
7. Hunter's Nightmare
8. Cathedral Ward
9. Cainhurst
10. Upper Cathedral Ward
11. Yahargul
12. Nightmare Frontier
13. Fishing Hamlet
14. Lecture Hall
15. Byrgenwerth
1. Forbidden Woods
2. Central Yharnam
3. Nightmare of Mensis
4. Research Hall
5. Old Yharnam
6. Hemwick Charnel Lane
7. Hunter's Nightmare
8. Cathedral Ward
9. Cainhurst
10. Upper Cathedral Ward
11. Yahargul
12. Nightmare Frontier
13. Fishing Hamlet
14. Lecture Hall
15. Byrgenwerth
It really depends on your equipment, level and how much you have gotten gud but I think 5 hours is a rough estimate but I've heard of people taking much longer or shorter to beat it.
Beast Cutter and Bowblade? Now thats a weird combo but I get why you would want to have that kind of setup. There have been bunch of times where I would had easier time if I could switch weapons but I like banging my head against the wall.
I would say you get easily 4-5 hours from it at least. I finished it around 5 hours but I went there overleveled and breezed through everything almost with no deaths. So if you get stuck on places it would probably take you closer to 10 hours.
I'm lvl 85 with +9 BOM and haven't moved on to new game + yet. Hopefully that will be manageable, most of those new weapons looks pretty awesome.
Tried messing around with a new character last night that was an Axe build and it was tough. After spending 40 hours with the Cane/BOM it was hard to get used to the Axe's long attack times and spacing. Think I will stick with Skill lol even though the spin attack was pretty great.
Sheriff_Battlesnake
Banned
Frontier vs Hamlet? I shiver to even think back.
Where's your honor?!
SkylineRKR
Member
I think I love Hemwick. It gave me proper RE4 vibes. The boss is also underrated, it was an interesting gimmick. I also like Hypogean Gaol a lot, it was sinister and first time visitors are likely underpowered for it.
Byrgenwerth was OMG awesome until I realized how short and dumb it was.
Byrgenwerth was OMG awesome until I realized how short and dumb it was.
Not both together mind you. It's like (Insert Str wep) and Beast cutter for str builds or (Insert Skill/Blt weapon) and bow blade for skill/Blt build.
I NEVER kill the spiders. Not a single one.
crazygambit
Member
The Mercy Blades are great for grinding the Lecture Hall's first floor. 1 R2 attack will kill all the students you hit at a relatively low level. With that you can get 14k echoes in less than a minute.
I don't usually grind it over and over, because that would be boring, but if I'm 10k or 20k from a level up, I'll do 1 or 2 runs. Also when I run out of healing items. One 1 minute run buys you like 20.
Audioboxer
Member
Just kicked off a new playthrough for Christmas. Going pure quality build, no points wasted in Arcane or BT. Interested to see how weapons that are favoured to one or the other benefit from some investment in their weaker scaling attribute.
FaintColt388301
Member
I started avoiding them all together as well. I'm not willing to waste time, even if it is riskier attacking Rom like that.
Freezasaurus
Member
Why are you grinding the lecture hall? Don't the Bloodbag enemies outside Cainhurst give like 10k each?
Yeah I know. I really hate that you need PS Plus to use the glyph codes. I have been waiting (in vain I bet) to get a 12 month subscription cheaper so I can get me some good gems. I play most of my games on the PC and doubt I'd make the most of the subscription (play all the "free" games etc) so I've been putting it off.
I currently just use the 21-22% gems farmed from the DLC Winter Lanterns. The damage down against kin ones are the best because there are so few kin enemies in the game. For some weapons with high durability the durability down is ok too.
The chalice dungeons, apart from the bosses are really shit though. Most chests just have stupid ritual materials. Going thru a long ass route with many dangerous enemies and being rewarded some Ritual Blood (5) or Sage's Hair or whatever is just totally shitty. The levels also look incredible dull, I wish at least the fixed dungeons had gotten some extra attention to detail.
crazygambit
Member
Because I'm not there yet?
And like I said I'm not grinding it, but it's a great place to pick up some spare change if you do 1 or 2 runs, relative to where I'm at in the game (Nightmare Mensis)
They are more dangerous and it takes more time to kill them, same with Mergo's Loft Middle enemies. The dudes in Lecture building in the auditorium are really slow and don't have lots of HP so any thrust weapon kills them quickly. In NG+ with all runes I get a bit under 7000 for each enemy so about 100k in a minute or so since my LHB kills them in one thrust. You can easily rack over a million echoes in around 20 minutes. I don't know how much they give in NG but probably an amount that gives you levels quite quickly.
So in short the Lecture building gives more echoes per minute with low risk.
Freezasaurus
Member
Oooooooh, okay. I didn't even go to the Lecture Building until some point after the Forbidden Woods.
You could go to Cainhurst, you've simply missed an item found in a certain place accessible from an area where snakes roam...
Krusenstern
Banned
Damn, Augur of Ebrietas is awesome now. You can get behind an enemy and quickly stagger them. It almost feels like cheating if the cooldown wasn't so big. It's hard to perform a parry afterwards unless you're directly behind them. Sick tool nonetheless. Made my gun obselete.
xChildOfHatex
Member
My honour demands that the arsehole cannibal be experimented on by a crazy shapeshifter.
crazygambit
Member
You could go to Cainhurst, you've simply missed an item found in a certain place accessible from an area where snakes roam...
Funny enough I had that item. I just didn't know what it was for.
Oops kinda misread the first post. That makes more sense.
Not even in the first phase? Why? If you kill them in the first phase you can just spend all your stamina attacking Rom without having to worry about the little ones. Best case scenario you can kill Rom in that first phase if you have good setup for it.
My honour demands that the arsehole cannibal be experimented on by a crazy shapeshifter.
Well to tell the truth I didn't fight him fairly, either. I just hid behind the door and whipped him to death with the cane.
I never did that, though I did make it skip the second phase and jump straight to the third.
Almost managed to kill Rom on the first phase last time. Needed to hit her once after the first phase. I think in the first phase there isn't any benefit of not dealing with the little ones as you can't really go all out on Rom if you have to be dodging their attacks. Second and third phase sure since you can't just stand next to her like in the first phase.
I never kill the spiders either. I'm so mobile on this fight that I don't really need to. My strategy for that fight is run around leading the spiders away and coming in on an opening for a quick slash or two. Rinse, repeat.
The spiders have tough armor in the front so killing them requires running around them anyway.
But why you wouldn't take out the first batch when Rom doesn't do anything? Once you have killed all of them you can just wail on Rom and do much more damage on that phase since you don't have to worry about anything hitting you. Other phases I get why you wouldn't kill the spiders but it doesn't make sense to me for the first phase. You pretty much ignore free damage if you don't kill the first ones.
KharmaPolice
Member
Interesting piece of information I came across in the official guide: Madara's whistle requires and scales with bloodtinge, however it actually deals arcane damage. This would make it a great option for bloodtinge builds to deal some arcane damage.
Though keep in mind that the official guide is prone to some errors. I haven't tested it myself yet.
Though keep in mind that the official guide is prone to some errors. I haven't tested it myself yet.
My honour demands that the arsehole cannibal be experimented on by a crazy shapeshifter.
I always fight him by striking him with a poison knife and sitting there honorably to watch him suffer a slow death! It's for the family he killed and ate!!!!
Freezasaurus
Member
You could go to Cainhurst, you've simply missed an item found in a certain place accessible from an area where snakes roam...
If I didn't know exactly what you were talking about already, that would be super-vague. XD
Last one before the Christmas period - episode 28, Pimmsy vs. the final DLC boss,
: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXHQQw_eXe8
I found it funny that Pimmsy wanted to do the chalices to level up more, yet the extra levels had nothing to do with her beating
- she simply 'got gud'. The way she kept close behind
to charge an attack and perform a visceral were immense, and her parries against
were even better.
I also fount it hilarious how she fucked up doing the Hunter's Salutation in the beginning, only for the
to fly right over her, so she still got away with it.
The last cutscene also makes a lot of sense as to why the game/DLC doesn't simply end and put you back in the Hunter's Dream -
Orphan of Kos
I found it funny that Pimmsy wanted to do the chalices to level up more, yet the extra levels had nothing to do with her beating
him
him
him in the second form
I also fount it hilarious how she fucked up doing the Hunter's Salutation in the beginning, only for the
Orphan of Kos
The last cutscene also makes a lot of sense as to why the game/DLC doesn't simply end and put you back in the Hunter's Dream -
a bottomless i.e. endless curse means the cycle is repeated over and over again, just like the second ending where you effectively become Gehrman.
Beat Margo's wet nurse, got all 3 Moon runes (For extra soul collection) and grinder a ton - more than ten levels. Also found more gems to strengthen my weapon.
At this point, theres no more levels for me to play. Just four bosses. Orphan of Kos, Laurence, and then
.
Hopefully my stat increase helps beat the Orphan, but I don't see it magically making the fight a joke. So I'll probably be stuck on these bosses for a while.
The only boss I had to co-op in the 3 souls games I've played was O+S. I'm hoping that does not change.
At this point, theres no more levels for me to play. Just four bosses. Orphan of Kos, Laurence, and then
Gerhman and the Moon
Hopefully my stat increase helps beat the Orphan, but I don't see it magically making the fight a joke. So I'll probably be stuck on these bosses for a while.
The only boss I had to co-op in the 3 souls games I've played was O+S. I'm hoping that does not change.
darkslayer101
Member
is there a attire that increases blood echo from enemies slain?
Atire? I don't think so.
But there are 3 "Moon" runes that drastically increase the amount you get when used together.
darkslayer101
Member
currently farming isz chalice with the 3 moon runes and was just wondering if there are other means of increasing blood echoes...
SkylineRKR
Member
Killing the first batch is never a bad idea. You can get your highest charge attacks in, perhaps even delay his warp.
I encountered Rom in chalice the other day, when I was summoned. And it was hilariously easy. Its just that the last time we fought I wasn't OP yet. I think I got over half of his health down during the first phase, and at the start of the second phase he was dead. Maybe with more Stam I can kill him instantly.
HORRORSHØW
Member
the new, revamped heavy abyssal blood gem is better than the 27.2% physical blood gem for strength and quality builds. the ideal set up would be one heavy abyssal gem and two 27.2% physical gems i think.
the insane scaling of the gem means you can still allocate points into strength and get tangible benefits past the old 50 cap.
the insane scaling of the gem means you can still allocate points into strength and get tangible benefits past the old 50 cap.
quoting myself:
Grimløck;189276107 said:just made a F/R/C dungeon with enemies who give 92k echoes with 3 moon runes equipped. first room from the lantern. they're the boneash hunters. there are two of them. you can fight them one on one. easy to parry. the other one you can back stab. they also drop rank 6 cursed elemental runes. the other enemies in the room are easily killable.
glyph: jyb8b965 if anyone's interested in easy echoes. happy hunting.
Grimløck;189383936 said:
Shadow_Lord
Member
I don't know who I'd consider my hardest boss tbh (Haven't played the DLC yet). Maybe the BSB gave me me the most trouble but I still got through him in a couple of hours. Gehrman wasn't hard at all either, as parrying him is very easy, and makes him a joke.
SkylineRKR
Member
Hardest bosses for me are in Chalice. Defiled Watch Dog required a lot of concentration and took me 3 days to beat. Defiled Amygdala is very difficult too, though sort of easy if you stand underneath her and don't move when she jumps. Headless Bloodletting Beast gave me a lot of problems too, and Loran Darkbeast is what Paarl wished he was.
In the main game, Martyr Logarius was the toughest foe. And I think I died the most to Vicar Amelia, until I used Fire Paper.
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
I think depth 4 is NG+ difficulty and depth 5 is NG++? But I could be off. It just kinda seems like that to me.
That was the intention