Why do you have this feeling? I dont understand it. Are you playing with gimbals on joystick or what?
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Its not bad, stop with exaggeration.
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Why do you have this feeling? I dont understand it. Are you playing with gimbals on joystick or what?
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Its not bad, stop with exaggeration.
Aztechnology
Member
HOTAS isn't as bad as they are making out. But it is true because of the games flight assist systems for aiming and such using a mouse does actually give you a considerable edge from what I experienced. I think they could definitely get it up to snuff before release though. They just need to spend some more time with Joy/HOTAS setups.
They have a means of control (mouse and keyboard) which is perfectly fine to play the game during development.
Additional polish will come much later.
I dont know if it gives you considerable edge. For 25 top PVP players, 13 are using Joysticks.
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/community/leaderboards/all?mode=SB
This isn't how you design good games btw. There's been a number of talks and presentations about this, notably by Blizzard, but e basic point was that getting your basic game mechanics and control systems in a fun, ready to go state is much more important than actual content development, and it's not something you can do at the end of development as 'polishing'. The initial World of Warcraft took place entirely in A bastardised version of west march, as the entire point was just to get the basic movement, clicking of buttons and feel of the game right. Once they had that bit sorted and fun, they then started churning out content.
You can't 'polish' up basic control systems at the end of development. You sort core gameplay and controls first, then develop content.
Aztechnology
Member
In this case is almost certainly has to do with the funding model. Things need to be presentable at nearly all stages. Pre alpha or early alpha stuff for most games is not presentable. I don't think that was feasible to do in a game that's still actively being funded.
Star Citizen isn't going to be good, CONFIRMED. Thanks Blizzard.
It's all theory craft so far, amirite?
Dubbedinenglish
Banned
And the one mode that "works" is completely imbalanced to all other controls and control mods on the same device. Just try flying relative mode against IM, it's two different games. That imbalance is because of the terrible aim to fly mode, without the aim layer fine control is still non-existent. If they design missions with this balance in place it will be a disaster to play anything other than IM mouse.
Two things why the leaderboards are bunk:
1. Reoccurring AC player base is about ~200 people
2. Weapon and ship balance is completely out of whack (understandable at this point).
More useful to time trial in swarm modes against AI with different modes. Can tell you from experience it's about 40% faster going from stick to IM mouse.
iHaunter
Member
Except you don't play games like this DURING development ever.
This is a completely unfair comparison.
SeanNoonan
Member
This isn't binary. It never is.
Every game I've worked on has approached this differently, but controls are certainly always tweaked and reworked up until ship. It's true that early in development you get your camera, character and controls to a point that gives the team a solid impression of how the game will play; this allows one to build initial mechanics and metrics, but it's very unlikely these will go untouched into the final stages of development.
You'll find that many multiplatform games don't even have controller mappings until the final months of the project. I've worked on and shipped PS4 titles having never used a Dual Shock, but rather a combination of keyboard and mouse or an Xbox 360 controller for the entire of development.
Very interesting, thanks for that behind the door perspective Sean!
mercenar1e
Member
looks like another stretch goal gets nixed?
https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/comment/7499151/#Comment_7499151
https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/comment/7499151/#Comment_7499151
Someone should put a muzzle on Ben Parry before he keeps concerning people over goals and engine changes.
It feels like a solid cockpit VR experience is the best we can hope for for SC, further down the line. Which would be fine by me, provided someone manages to make the switch from 1st person VR to 1st/3rd person non-VR-but-still-in-VR (or whatever) work in a satisfying and functional manner.
That's... frightening, but I've said for at least the past 2 years that SC VR implementation should be tackled right now, not once the game is finished, every design decision made without VR in mind will either mean :
- a bad VR implementation
- a huge amount of (re)work to make it good ( on the bright side they have already proven that it's something they are willing to do to make things good... often )
- VR implementation being dropped
"Sorry, this is really not the meaning I intended. I should probably just let this lie, but I want to be clear I was NOT saying it's off the table."
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/5rbiwv/regarding_vr_dont_hold_your_breath/dd6tq37/
With the way things are now, they'd need to do instant transitions between first person for cockpit segments and third person for animations and on-foot segments. Virtual Cinema had also come up as an option for those tricky parts, but I'm not a fan of the idea.
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/5rbiwv/regarding_vr_dont_hold_your_breath/dd6tq37/
With the way things are now, they'd need to do instant transitions between first person for cockpit segments and third person for animations and on-foot segments. Virtual Cinema had also come up as an option for those tricky parts, but I'm not a fan of the idea.
Dictator93
Member
If only the SC community was not filled with over-reacting insane people.
It is quite obvious what he means when he types, but there are many "little chicken" types who go completely overboard after the fact.
It is quite obvious what he means when he types, but there are many "little chicken" types who go completely overboard after the fact.
Dubbedinenglish
Banned
I just want TrackIR mane.
Zalusithix
Member
It doesn't matter how early they'd have started. Game design decisions for VR are often inherently not compatible with traditional games, and this applies to many gameplay elements of SC. Making SC seamlessly work with VR (especially first generation VR) would necessitate fundamental changes to the regular game. Changes that'd make the game worse for everybody not in VR.
Honestly if they tossed VR support, I wouldn't shed a single tear, and I say that as a VR enthusiast. Elite can work well with VR due to its more limited scope. SC from the very core is fraught with design conflicts.
TrackIR support on the other hand is entirely doable, and should absolutely be supported.
I think modding can still happen for S42, but yeah private servers are becoming more and more like a pipe-dream
Private servers were pretty much dead since they started selling ships and were officially announcing micro-transactions. It's really bad for that business model if you offer private servers were people can just use and fly what they want with their mates.
Zalusithix
Member
Private servers were never going to be like the official servers. They'd be stripped down in functionality beyond just a player cap. So while you could theoretically fly whatever you wanted with some of your friends, you'd be doing so in a much less dynamic universe. A universe that would have little interest outside of your group of friends, so it'd end up as a glorified coop game instead of a MMO.
There's an audience for stuff like that, but it'd hardly impact the interest in the real universe. Not having private servers would come entirely down to not wanting to put the manpower behind writing another unrelated server (or at least rewriting major parts of it), not because they were worried about it cannibalizing their income. People who'd be banking on private servers wouldn't pledge for concept ships in the first place.
Eh, can we stop with this microtransaction driven development agenda?
Private servers would never be like PU and you can get anything in PU without any donation.
And again, this is not a theme park MMO, just because you have to pay 150 or 300 dolars for a ship right now, doesnt mean that wont be able to get this ship or get wealthy easily in PU.
There are two problems for private servers: development time and procedural planets + 64bit. Game will be instanced in different way now, which means that it wont be too viable probably for normal servers.
staticneuron
Member
Officially announcing microtransactions? They talked about this during the kickstarter. The private server was talked about alongside the transactions. Either you weren't paying attention or never fully understood what the ramifications are.
Star Citizen Kickstarter
Comment from October 18, 2012
CIG said:
So the gameplay has perfect imbalance type of design. There is no vertical progression for the game, so the idea that the entire game is design around micro transactions is illogical.
Leave the option for people who don't get sick from it to play it in VR first person. Far too many people are stuck at the idea that everyone will start to throw up if you don't have teleportation or whatever other VR specific locomotion system in place. It might be a minority, I doubt anyone really know, but there is people who can play a fps in VR with a mouse + keyboard without problem.
Dictator93
Member
^^ I am one these people. Nothing in VR has ever made me feel sick, even things that have "will make you toss" ratings.
Wow, struck a nerve or something? No need to go all defense-force on my ass.
for a company with as many artist as CIG is embarrassing that they keep getting caught stealing art assets from elsewhere. You can still see the watermark here. Amateur stuff.
Shamefur dispray!
http://www.123rf.com/photo_14643700_best-price-guarantee.html
Zalusithix
Member
Did you expect people that disagree with you to just ignore what you said? In the official SC thread no less? If you can't handle people responding to your post with counterpoints, then perhaps you shouldn't have made it in the first place.
Hybrid V on Twitter https://twitter.com/Hybrid_V/status/826904902009966592
Not really sure if it's fan-made or has some relation to the actual game.
Not really sure if it's fan-made or has some relation to the actual game.
staticneuron
Member
Didn't expect that response. Lol, just clearing up misconception which I found odd because iirc, you pledged REALLY early. Didn't you see what I posted that far back?
MasterOfPastures
Banned
Uuuuhhh, might be a freelancer breaking NDA by having his excitement exceed his common sense.
Cool sounds tho.
Yes, we're part of a cult and you hurt our feelings so now we're out to get you. Tell your friends.
Dictator93
Member
^^ I definitely enjoyed how the AtV itself was also scored. The music reminded me of the middle section of DT's last effort.
Dictator93
Member
Loving the way this desert vegetation looks
https://giant.gfycat.com/SociableFailingGlowworm.webm
I wonder if it uses tessellation like Crysis 3 did.
https://giant.gfycat.com/SociableFailingGlowworm.webm
I wonder if it uses tessellation like Crysis 3 did.
Yep, looks really nice
Dubbedinenglish
Banned
I'm all for dramatic sounding weapons but that is a bit much lol
It sounds like that when you open the gates of Hell.
It's just a fucking frigate, not the TCS Concordia. Why does it have a one-hit-kill cannon on it?!
Eolz
Member
Someone forgot that it wasn't the Bengal's gun
To role-play Space Battleship Yamato, of course.
staticneuron
Member
Who says it is one-hit-kill? And what makes you think the much larger ships don't have worse.
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