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Rumored Chinese Forum Xbox720 specs: 8CoreCPU,8GB,HD8800GPU,W8,640GBHDD
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You can access PACER directly, they just charge you if you rack up more than $10 in a quarter... and thats pretty easy to do ($0.10 a page, but that includes every link you click on the site)
You can download that list of documents Microsoft had sealed here: http://www.thesangreal.net/gafpics/ms_sealed.pdf but I think I listed all the relevant ones
You can download that list of documents Microsoft had sealed here: http://www.thesangreal.net/gafpics/ms_sealed.pdf but I think I listed all the relevant ones
This isn't thread worthy, but the guy that did the concept Microsoft redesign thing a while ago is now working for MS for the Xbox.
Insane Metal
Member
Well all I know is that I loved everything that dude proposed. The Windows 8 logo he made is perfect imo.
Can Crusher
Banned
That's actually pretty big. Dude is gonna probably join a team to create a new look for Xbox. If his concept on MS image redesign is any indicator, it could be quite cool.
MoGamesXNA
Unconfirmed Member
I just had a browse through his MS rebranding section on his blog and there's some amazing work in there.
grimshawish
Banned
He won't be on his own; these types are great in a team.
As concepts his stuff seems quite cool.
One of his quotes on there is fucking great "The new logo for 2012 is radical but does not shed the past. The window in perspective is also visually uncomfortable when applied to products."
I like the logo. I just fucking hate it on the front of the tablet/phones. I mean why?
It says a lot of bad things about the company (controlling, arrogant); takes away from the product; adds nothing.
funkystudent
Member
So microsoft did show that kinect / projector illumiroom demo at Samsung's presser at CES.
Could a Samsung / MS partnership do anything for the next xbox?
Could a Samsung / MS partnership do anything for the next xbox?
Not sure. Samsung can probably hook them up with cheap RAM and flash memory (Samsung has 40% market share in both categories).
http://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/16tttt/orbis_unmasked_what_to_expect_from_the_nextgen/c7zfgtg
Someone on Reddit claiming to be a developer posted some info. Note sure if its legit.
Someone on Reddit claiming to be a developer posted some info. Note sure if its legit.
I don't see anything there that could not have been posted by someone who read GAF and Eurogamer/vg247 specs. This person might work in the industry but he's not a techie.
In his opening post he said that KOTOR was Bioware's first console game. That's wrong. It was MDK2 on Dreamcast. They later ported it to PC the same year, then later to PS2.
He wouldn't say he's a developer and then claim "it may be true that Microsoft may ship kinect in the box". Nor would they say to expect 1080p/60fps across the board. Dead giveaway
SlickShoesRUCrazy
Member
So what's the current consensus? Uber powerful Xbox or did Microsoft cheapout, shaft the gamer, and go for the quick buck?
Dev systems are quite a bit different from target sheets/specs. For example, Microsoft's current dev PC has 12gb of ddr3, 4 of which is reserved for debug.
Oh, I see. So target specs (and I'm assuming that's the nature of the info that's been leaking) are specific to consumer hardware.
SlickShoesRUCrazy
Member
so basically Microsoft is shafting gamers this time around?
grimshawish
Banned
Not so much shafting gamers, more themselves.
Baconsammy
Banned
Haha.
SlickShoesRUCrazy
Member
I see. Well here is hoping they have been feeding a lot of misinformation to the public.
Okay, here's some idle speculation....
If we take the current rumors at face value, and that's a big "if", it would appear that MS is cheaping out on the hardware a bit, and/or a lot of the budget is going towards a Kinect pack-in. I don't personally believe in the Kinect pack-in rumor, but either way, the current speculation points to a 720 that is a more "modest" upgrade, while the PS4 is a somewhat more ambitious one. (Although neither look to be as bleeding-edge as past generations were.)
So, assuming the above is true, how am I supposed to feel about it? Well, I'm a mild-mannered xbot graphics whore, and frankly, I'm underwhelmed. It would all be somewhat of a bummer. Do I jump ship? Maybe, but consider these possibilities:
Maybe MS is planning on undercutting Sony, and perhaps even Nintendo, on price. If they don't pack in Kinect, imagine a $199 launch price. That would require them to lose money on each sale, but that's nothing new. Except this time, instead of subsidizing fabulous hardware to make it (barely) affordable to rabid gamers, they would be subsidizing more modest hardware to appeal to, well, everybody else. If they really want to "own the living room", or become everyone's "media hub", they gotta know that price is super critical factor to adoption. They may need to get down into the Roku and Apple TV pricing realm. (I have no idea what Apple TV costs. Let's pretend it's $199.)
Okay, so what about us Xbox gamers? Are we screwed? Are the PS4 fans going to be constantly kicking sand in our face? Probably, but what if MS has decided to shake things up and accelerate the console "generations"? Perhaps the Next-Nextbox is slated to come out in, I dunno, 4 years. Or 3, if you want to get really crazy. I think 4 is more realistic, so they would have time to cost-reduce the box at least once, and start actually making money on it. They'd obviously need other revenue streams to make this work.
Basically, instead of $400 consoles every 8 years, we get $200 consoles every 4 years. That's still about twice as slow as PC "generations", and 4 times as slow as tablets and phones. I could live with that.
But the first one of those "cheap consoles", and that's the 720, is going to sting. It won't be the awesome, order of magnitude type of jump that everybody so enjoys. But, once MS poots out another one in 2017, it seems likely that that one would then be more powerful than the PS4. The shoe would on the other foot then, boy howdy! Could Sony quickly pop out the PS5 in order to remain hardware-dominate? Not really, because their base might not be ready/able to pay another $400, and Sony would have barely "paid off" the PS4 development at that point.
Anyway, that's my crazy hypothesis. Cheaper consoles, more often. Discuss.
If we take the current rumors at face value, and that's a big "if", it would appear that MS is cheaping out on the hardware a bit, and/or a lot of the budget is going towards a Kinect pack-in. I don't personally believe in the Kinect pack-in rumor, but either way, the current speculation points to a 720 that is a more "modest" upgrade, while the PS4 is a somewhat more ambitious one. (Although neither look to be as bleeding-edge as past generations were.)
So, assuming the above is true, how am I supposed to feel about it? Well, I'm a mild-mannered xbot graphics whore, and frankly, I'm underwhelmed. It would all be somewhat of a bummer. Do I jump ship? Maybe, but consider these possibilities:
Maybe MS is planning on undercutting Sony, and perhaps even Nintendo, on price. If they don't pack in Kinect, imagine a $199 launch price. That would require them to lose money on each sale, but that's nothing new. Except this time, instead of subsidizing fabulous hardware to make it (barely) affordable to rabid gamers, they would be subsidizing more modest hardware to appeal to, well, everybody else. If they really want to "own the living room", or become everyone's "media hub", they gotta know that price is super critical factor to adoption. They may need to get down into the Roku and Apple TV pricing realm. (I have no idea what Apple TV costs. Let's pretend it's $199.)
Okay, so what about us Xbox gamers? Are we screwed? Are the PS4 fans going to be constantly kicking sand in our face? Probably, but what if MS has decided to shake things up and accelerate the console "generations"? Perhaps the Next-Nextbox is slated to come out in, I dunno, 4 years. Or 3, if you want to get really crazy. I think 4 is more realistic, so they would have time to cost-reduce the box at least once, and start actually making money on it. They'd obviously need other revenue streams to make this work.
Basically, instead of $400 consoles every 8 years, we get $200 consoles every 4 years. That's still about twice as slow as PC "generations", and 4 times as slow as tablets and phones. I could live with that.
But the first one of those "cheap consoles", and that's the 720, is going to sting. It won't be the awesome, order of magnitude type of jump that everybody so enjoys. But, once MS poots out another one in 2017, it seems likely that that one would then be more powerful than the PS4. The shoe would on the other foot then, boy howdy! Could Sony quickly pop out the PS5 in order to remain hardware-dominate? Not really, because their base might not be ready/able to pay another $400, and Sony would have barely "paid off" the PS4 development at that point.
Anyway, that's my crazy hypothesis. Cheaper consoles, more often. Discuss.
Can Crusher
Banned
I still think kinect built in, IF it's built in, will happen only in the higher priced option.
It seems to be such an expensive device, that if it's to come in with every sku then it will either make it very expensive, or, it will certainly compromise the kind of hardware they can actually put in the system.
And I honestly don't believe that MS can come up with something cheaper than Orbis that performs at the same level, if only because Orbis seems to be a very conservative design when compared to PS3 and PS2, and the documentation and dev tools will be good enough for sure.
If they lose the core, MS will be going all in with a terrible hand.
It seems to be such an expensive device, that if it's to come in with every sku then it will either make it very expensive, or, it will certainly compromise the kind of hardware they can actually put in the system.
And I honestly don't believe that MS can come up with something cheaper than Orbis that performs at the same level, if only because Orbis seems to be a very conservative design when compared to PS3 and PS2, and the documentation and dev tools will be good enough for sure.
If they lose the core, MS will be going all in with a terrible hand.
Clockwork
Member
Or people could drop the fanboy bullshit and just be gamers. Corporate/brand loyalty is nonsense and does nothing but limit your experiences.
SlickShoesRUCrazy
Member
Thing is, this the first maybe second generation to last 7-8 years.
The jump from the Xbox to the 360 was 4 years with pretty kick ass hardware. After 8 years the best Microsoft can do is a .5 jump? That where my hope lies...
If they cheaped out, it was out of greed and nothing else.
Can Crusher
Banned
Although fanboys are terrible, the core audience is still made of fans. Those fans weren't Xbox fans since they were born, and if there's a better gaming product out there they will try to find it. It will be pretty easy to find it, if it's standing right beside.
Clockwork
Member
I just think that's sad and is something I could never relate to.
I've always purchased just about every game console I could, not because of some ridiculous loyalty or brand preference, but because I love games.
I don't care if Durango is weaker than Orbis or vice versa because at the end of the day I know I'll own both anyway.
(I know this is now off topic, so I'll drop the convo)
shinobi602
Member
Same here.
Can Crusher
Banned
Well that's not sad at all, unless you think it's sad that other people don't have as much money as you.
It's a question of budget.
399$ x 2 + 299$ = 1097$
Now that's before games are factored in. I don't think there are enough gamers out there with that kind of budget, so companies have to rely on building brand loyalty. That is created by delivering on the promise of the console, and in that sense the Xbox 1 and Xbox 360 were "state of the art". That's 2/2, so now core Xbox gamers want the same...If MS doesn't deliver, it is possible that core fans will still lineup to buy the system but the impact of MS not delivering what the relationship expects, means that they would start bleeding from this mistake sooner rather than later.
something fishy
Member
I think it's a real shame if the need to pack in Kinect 2 has compromised specs.
I loved the jump to 360, it was huge and the promised jump to the ps3 never materialised (though I bought one anyway). A graphics fan I was delighted with it and it took a long time to go back to pc.
If it's genuinely compromised this time then I think I'll skip. If sony have got a genuine powerhouse this time then that's the console I would get if I get one.
I'm certainly not happy to buy a box that charges for online and yet is weaker with a gimmick I gave up on soon after it launched in all honesty.
I loved the jump to 360, it was huge and the promised jump to the ps3 never materialised (though I bought one anyway). A graphics fan I was delighted with it and it took a long time to go back to pc.
If it's genuinely compromised this time then I think I'll skip. If sony have got a genuine powerhouse this time then that's the console I would get if I get one.
I'm certainly not happy to buy a box that charges for online and yet is weaker with a gimmick I gave up on soon after it launched in all honesty.
Brand loyalty started with Nintendo and Sony in the early days (90's) but this gen was when it hit a fever pitch. I mean I have never seen it so deadlocked on both sides of the whole "us" vs "them".
Clockwork
Member
You don't need to tell me that. Even then I had an SMS/NES and SNES/Genesis though.
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
Kinect doesn't move enough software to justify packing it in every SKU. And the software it does move would move just fine on the 360, because it's not like people need next gen graphics for Fruit Ninja 2. I don't see it happening unless they figured out how to do it without expensive extra hardware.
dragonelite
Member
It would be crazy actually and it would probably bite them in the ass.
Later in the generation when the trade for packing in kinect instead of more processing power. The console will show its age earlier 1.24 Tflops vs 1.84 Tflops was it. That is what 2.5 times 360 or ps 3 difference if they dont pack in specialized silicon chunks or if these rumors are true. And why should people buy something they probably aren't intending to use so they are forced to pay a extra $50 for a device they wont use.
And the people thinking kinect will be built in dont know how kinect will work unless it somehow can do time of flight calculation through wood,metal or glass for the people not wanting to expose their consoles.
Its not a well thought out concept packing in kinect or built it in.
Clay Davis
Member
I think the applications, if it is packed in, will be beyond just software. it will be probably be one of the ways for dashboard navigation through movement or voice commands as well as using it for other non game related applications.
I hope that's not the case, but it would be pretty cool if you could just say xbox (or nickname) on and command it to be load whatever game / app you want without pressing a single button. aren't microsoft (and sony) rumoured to be aiming for an always on / light sleep state for their next gen consoles?
soulassssns
Banned
Same here
Deadly Joker
Member
So now we have rumors of Sony going away from the Dualshock with PS4, and going with a controller with a touch screen.
What do you think Microsoft will do or innovate with the NextBox controller?
Personally, I would like them to stick with the standard controller with simple modifications, like a better DPad. And of course, Kinect 2 support.
What do you think Microsoft will do or innovate with the NextBox controller?
Personally, I would like them to stick with the standard controller with simple modifications, like a better DPad. And of course, Kinect 2 support.
It may not now, but if they did choose to pack it in with every console, then instantly they have a guaranteed install base (anyone who buys a 720 or whatever they'll call it), rather than (number of 360 owners - number of 360 owners that don't own Kinect). Over time, unless the console's a disaster in terms of sales they'll have a bigger install base than "Kinect 1" and more games will be developed for it because it's a standard feature rather than an extra, optional peripheral. We may see more innovation and outright better games that take advantage of Kinect 2 as well.
Personally, I'd like them to just focus on the console itself and not compromise it to be able to throw Kinect in the box, but I guess we'll just have to wait and see what they do.
Just stick to orbis and get a good pc.
yeah, aside from the dpad, and maybe lasting quality, the 360 pad is perfect IMO.
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