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Anime Mafia |OT| My Little Scum can't be this cute! ()
- Thread starter Burbeting
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Because I am not scum. You might be. I might be able to prove a fancy deal of things, or at least shine light upon some.
I am relatively certain that I can provide evidence about whether Dusk is scum or if he was manipulated somehow if he gives me his name. The evidence includes my full claim. Additionally, I possess some information that might possibly be helpful in:
-confirming myself
-figuring out why no townie died last night
-narrowing scum fake claim pool later on.
But I need the name.
-confirming myself
-figuring out why no townie died last night
-narrowing scum fake claim pool later on.
But I need the name.
In addition, I'll argue that if Dusk is telling the truth, he is dead meat. Names are, barring some specific cases that I imagine might exist, alignments. Dusk is an alignment cop, or claims to be a one. You are scum's enemy number one if town. If you are not killed, you will be manipulated. Your power was weakened considerably when you claimed. It is not certain at all you will be able to provide reads or if the reads you will get will be reliable at all.
The only thing I can think of that you gain by hiding the information is that you protect yourself from some sort of a gender-specific protection-piercing kill, which existence is but a theory without evidence. Ask yourself, how much do you value do you give to an unreliable, unconfirmed alignment cop?
The obvious counter to this argument ofc is lynch Kyan and see but ehh. Choose who to trust.
The only thing I can think of that you gain by hiding the information is that you protect yourself from some sort of a gender-specific protection-piercing kill, which existence is but a theory without evidence. Ask yourself, how much do you value do you give to an unreliable, unconfirmed alignment cop?
The obvious counter to this argument ofc is lynch Kyan and see but ehh. Choose who to trust.
To be fair, you were pushing for Squidy all day D2 (and a little D1). It would have been strange to suddenly change targets (to Kyan or Dusk) if you didn't openly scum-read them before.
I still don't trust Palmer.
I flipped on Squidy because he was suspicious of Haly D1, who turned out to be scum. It's possible it's just scum calling out scum, but that's not how I read it. If someone has a compelling argument against Squidy I'm willing to listen.
Oooooooo the plot thickens! At least this explanation is consistent, and Dusk's actions D1 and D2 now make sense in the most Dusk of ways. They were strange but I didn't scum-read them.
Now, is Kyan doing a Gambit to save himself? Is he trying to get others to roleclaim? He says he'll fully role claim if Dusk does. So if Kyan doesn't, of course I will lynch him. Thing is, if they are both town that's a lot of roles out in the open...
Since Dusk has already claimed though, and if he thinks it's helpful, he should tell us who he checked N1. (N2 was Kyan)
unvote
I was agnostic on Kyan before, but the bolded just reads like he's trying to sow the seeds of doubt on Dusk. I mean, all claimed cops are unconfirmed until they die. I feel like Dusk has said enough about his role. The best course of action is to lynch Kyan, that will tell us everything we need to know about Dusk. If Kyan flips town and we can't figure out what happened N2 after his flip (remember, Kyan is claiming PR) then Dusk is scum.
Don't claim a gender Dusk. Scum probably has a role that targets certain genders. Also remember that there is some creepy weeb out there building a harem.
VOTE: Kyanrute
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
Yeah that's a good point
Dusk-kun who did you check N1
Dusk-kun who did you check N1
If this all goes to shitters townie friends, imagine something like flipping me as town and then flipping Dusk as town too, read this again and lynch Swamped.
BlackBuzzard
Banned
Well this got interesting fast, i need to wrap my brain around all these shenanigans.
I certainly am asking a lot, will not deny that. It is what it is.
Dusk Soldier
Member
The only reason I'm choosing to come forward today is because I've got a red check.
I realize that I could be taken out by scum for it, but being killed is only going to strengthen my claim not weaken it.
There's no guarantee that I'll get another red check so I might as well come forward now.
No town players died N2, so there is obviously some sort of protective roles still in play. Hopefully I can clear someone else tomorrow.
BlackBuzzard
Banned
Total noob question but whats a red check.
Name. Yes or no?
Dusk Soldier
Member
My N1 target was SkyOdin-kun.
I was suspicious of him because of his speculation about there being a rare gender in play.
I left a fairly obvious breadcrumb to it in my D2 posts.
True. But look at it this way. You are claiming a PR that can explain why Dusk got a red check on you. Therefore, with your flip, if you are town, we should be able to explain what happened N2. And if we can't, Dusk is scum. The best thing to do is to lynch you I'm afraid.
No, I am not doing this. #1853
If Dusk does not give me the name and you lynch me:
- you cannot use my info to tell anything about his alignment, nor is my town flip confirmation that he is scum either
- my flip does not tell you the info I know about N2
- and in the case that both Dusk and I are scum, a manipulative role must exist. you will not know about this until you lynch Dusk too.
- you cannot use my info to tell anything about his alignment, nor is my town flip confirmation that he is scum either
- my flip does not tell you the info I know about N2
- and in the case that both Dusk and I are scum, a manipulative role must exist. you will not know about this until you lynch Dusk too.
Poltergust
Member
Remembering what I know about Black Lagoon (I followed that entire show when it aired on Toonami), I have a good feeling I know exactly who Dusk is claiming to be.
Uh, I don't know if it's a good idea to say it aloud, though.
Uh, I don't know if it's a good idea to say it aloud, though.
hey you, yes you on the other side of the screen!
obviously kyaaa cannot point out how fucking convenient it is that the cop happened to check the dead guy, because that would be "sowing the seeds of doubt!"
luckily that's where you come in, yes you!
maybe you can notify dusk about this fact!
thanks!
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
Dusk, check me tonight. If you can tell me what anime I'm from we'll know you're the real deal, should Kyan flip town today.
Dusk Soldier
Member
When a cop checks a player at night. a green check usually means town, and a red check usually means scum.
I'm sorry, but I just dont believe you.
Dusk Soldier
Member
I will check you tonight dragon-chan.
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
This is assuming there won't be a manipulation of some kind and that we both live through the night, but it's worth trying at least.
Dusk Soldier
Member
I wanted to check dragon-chan, since she was on my scum list anyway, but I guess it doesn't matter who I check. They can confirm me regardless.
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
I mean I'm totes cool with you checking me, but I think that Squiddy is right in that you should get other volunteers to check to throw off scum.
Because I'm fully expecting to die tonight now, since there's no way they'd risk the chance of having a confirmed town around. Unless scum do have a manipulator of some kind, which means I will get a red check from you.
Either way, I'm ready to claim should that happen. I dunno, I think the risk is worth it.
Poltergust
Member
Need to use the highlight tag.
Kyan was one of my top scum reads...couldn't decide between him or Dusk. I was getting a better feeling from him since late day 2 since he's been posting actual content, but looking back it's been pretty much entirely on the defensive.
Considering this game is a 6 on the bastard scale, I think Kyan is implying far too much complexity. I can't imagine under any circumstance how Dusk's name could help explain a scenario where they're both town.
Kyan's flip is going to tell us more than anything else at this point. If he flips scum I think Palmer should be our next target.
Vote: kyanrute
Considering this game is a 6 on the bastard scale, I think Kyan is implying far too much complexity. I can't imagine under any circumstance how Dusk's name could help explain a scenario where they're both town.
Kyan's flip is going to tell us more than anything else at this point. If he flips scum I think Palmer should be our next target.
Vote: kyanrute
No point in telling us who you're going to check...that simply gives scum the opportunity to kill them so you can't actually prove your role.
Everyone just blindly accepts Dusk's mixed alignment hidden chat nonsense being a 'cover' when his claim has nothing to do with hidden chats, he's a mere role cop?
Seriously, no one asked this question?
Why of all things would you start discussing that in Day 1 if your role has nothing to do with it?
Seriously, no one asked this question?
Why of all things would you start discussing that in Day 1 if your role has nothing to do with it?
YesNOnoNOYes
Member
DAY 3 CURRENT VOTE TALLY:
Kyanrute (7)
Dusk Soldier 1765
Poltergust 1770
30yearsofhurt 1782
WhereAreMahDragonz 1850
squidyj 1862
Swamped 1863
TheExodu5 1889
Palmer_v1 (1)
TheExodu5 1756 1772
flatearthpandas 1768
TheExodu5 1772 1889
Cewyn (1)
cabot 1817
Poltergust (1)
Swamped 1745 1857
squidyj 1746 1862
BlackBuzzard 1747 1838
WhereAreMahDragonz 1748 1842
rac 1759 1821
Kyanrute 1784
hatmoza (1)
Kawl_USC 1812
ultron87 (0):Dusk Soldier 1760 1765
No active vote for Day 3: BlackBuzzard (has previously voted), Cewyn, hatmoza, oreomunsta, Palmer_v1, rac (has previously voted), ultron87
Day 3 Postcount: 30yearsofhurt 2, BlackBuzzard 11, cabot 15, Cewyn 0, Dusk Soldier 15, flatearthpandas 2, hatmoza 7, Kawl_USC 3, Kyanrute 34, oreomunsta 0, Palmer_v1 8, Poltergust 12, rac 3, squidyj 10, Swamped 7, TheExodu5 9, ultron87 2, WhereAreMahDragonz 15
Day 3 ends:
Automated vote tally here
10 votes for majority
Kyanrute (7)
Dusk Soldier 1765
Poltergust 1770
30yearsofhurt 1782
WhereAreMahDragonz 1850
squidyj 1862
Swamped 1863
TheExodu5 1889
Palmer_v1 (1)
flatearthpandas 1768
Cewyn (1)
cabot 1817
Poltergust (1)
Kyanrute 1784
hatmoza (1)
Kawl_USC 1812
ultron87 (0):
No active vote for Day 3: BlackBuzzard (has previously voted), Cewyn, hatmoza, oreomunsta, Palmer_v1, rac (has previously voted), ultron87
Day 3 Postcount: 30yearsofhurt 2, BlackBuzzard 11, cabot 15, Cewyn 0, Dusk Soldier 15, flatearthpandas 2, hatmoza 7, Kawl_USC 3, Kyanrute 34, oreomunsta 0, Palmer_v1 8, Poltergust 12, rac 3, squidyj 10, Swamped 7, TheExodu5 9, ultron87 2, WhereAreMahDragonz 15
Day 3 ends:
Automated vote tally here
10 votes for majority
BlackBuzzard
Banned
Before i go sleep can we please not turbo Kyan, right now we are 3 away from majority vote.
I'm hesitant right now for a few reasons.
One, not immediately listing your N1 target was odd.
It being SkyOdin is doubly odd. It's always sketchy to claim knowledge based on stuff that has been revealed.
Further issue is the person you targeted dying the same night. Is this just an attempt to cover yourself in case we had a tracker/voyeur?
That said, I'd be willing to vote kyanrute to verify you, if only because he's somebody that will probably be in contention regardless.
WAMD volunteering to be schecked is also problematic, cause you don't want scum knowing your plan.
My real worry is this is a scum gambit cause they know dusk is potentially on the block, but red checking kyanrute seem like an odd choice when he was also somewhat doomed already. Doing it to me or Ultron would have been better, I feel.
One, not immediately listing your N1 target was odd.
It being SkyOdin is doubly odd. It's always sketchy to claim knowledge based on stuff that has been revealed.
Further issue is the person you targeted dying the same night. Is this just an attempt to cover yourself in case we had a tracker/voyeur?
That said, I'd be willing to vote kyanrute to verify you, if only because he's somebody that will probably be in contention regardless.
WAMD volunteering to be schecked is also problematic, cause you don't want scum knowing your plan.
My real worry is this is a scum gambit cause they know dusk is potentially on the block, but red checking kyanrute seem like an odd choice when he was also somewhat doomed already. Doing it to me or Ultron would have been better, I feel.
Dusk Soldier
Member
I also don't understand Kyan's caginess on the scum kill. The obvious choices for his claim are Roleblocker or doctor, and scum can't be so stupid that they wouldn't recognize that as well.
Outing anyone other than yourself is probably a bad idea, Kyan.
Just feels like you're stalling though.
Outing anyone other than yourself is probably a bad idea, Kyan.
Just feels like you're stalling though.
I don't trust you at all but we're going to have to flip one of you now. Judging by the lack of questions against your claim, it's going to be kyan. Looks like he's not going down without some conditioned fight.
Where's this sky breadcrumb.
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
The only reason I suggested it is so that we can verify that Dusk's powers do exactly what he says they do
If he gets a name, then he should be able to google exactly who I am and we'll know for sure he's telling the truth. It's important to be able to trust the cop.