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VGLeaks: First look as Durango XDK (always connected, kinect required, must install)
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dreamcastmaster
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The disc is just a download key full of dummy data and you're downloading the actual code from a cloud based server, that's why it's always on? Maybe it's all cloud based stroage so not need for a big local HDD?
If that's the case then wouldn't it be cheaper to just provide a flashstick or something? Also the speed of your download service would be an issue.
Yeah i got the numbers wrong. Stupid wiki article anyway.
6x CAV drive = (27 + (27/2)) / 2 across the entire disc. = 20.25MB/s.
for 1GB = 51 seconds. So not bad.
XtremeXpider
Member
What I understand about "Always On" is:
- Download updates for system at low power mode
- Update apps/games at low power mode
- Doing voice recognition (my WP need online for voice recognition)
- Buying a game at the office and console will download the game at home.
- Streaming/share my music/pictures/videos from console (at home) to my phone (3G/LTD) or another computer.
Maximilian Kolbe
Member
Karak
Member
Thanks man. For some reason I was having all kinds of fucking issues with copy paste.
It must be VERY late for me
Beer Monkey
Member
There is no such thing as PCM surround through SP/DIF.
EDIT: yeah just read the last two pages.
That the document says PCM surround over SP/DIF makes me suspicious about the document accuracy.
EDIT: yeah just read the last two pages.
That the document says PCM surround over SP/DIF makes me suspicious about the document accuracy.
I assume Kinect comes with every console as well, which is very weird. Forced Kinect, forced online.
I assume they want to track people on camera in realtime for whatever purpose, and/or perhaps sell the footage to whoever.
Anyhow, this is disappointing. I have no interest in Kinect, and certainly not a console that is required to be online whenever I want to play, if that is indeed the case. The regular Xbox 360, as well as PS3 could be online 24/7 and download updates seamlessly, but they didn't refer to them as "always connected", did they? I can't really remember. Anyhow, I think "always connected" in this scenario means that it's a requirement.
I assume they want to track people on camera in realtime for whatever purpose, and/or perhaps sell the footage to whoever.
Anyhow, this is disappointing. I have no interest in Kinect, and certainly not a console that is required to be online whenever I want to play, if that is indeed the case. The regular Xbox 360, as well as PS3 could be online 24/7 and download updates seamlessly, but they didn't refer to them as "always connected", did they? I can't really remember. Anyhow, I think "always connected" in this scenario means that it's a requirement.
BlastProcessing
Member
Almost no XBLA games use XNA.
Schizoid
Dishwasher
Blazing Birds
YoHo Kablama
Rocket Riot
aaaaaaaaaand that's about it.
Microsoft might be able to do what they did for the 360 and support a small subset of games with bc. But I wouldn't expect universal emulation. A game like Halo 4 ccould have been made with compatibility in mind in the first place, I suppose.
As to why we assume the worst? Getting emulation working is expensive and with PS4 not having it Microsoft might not feel the need.
dreamcastmaster
Banned
I feel the need not to buy the next Xbox if that's the case. I think XBLA games should be transferable. Disc based stuff, not so much.
XtremeXpider
Member
Are CBLA allowed low level access?
I expect, at least, some games (disc based) and a lot of XBLA, if BC is planned.
I don't think PS4 "force" anything, MS have their plans.
This isn't true, at least for the 360. It can finish downloading games in the background but that's about the extent of it. All system updates and game updates require the console to be turned on.
XtremeXpider
Member
And the system, for default, is configured for shutting down after a while if there is not activity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_XNA
Magicka, Bastion, Terraria, Chime, Capsized, ARES... they all use XNA.
Beer Monkey
Member
Jesus Christ. Nothing says the system stops functioning when not connected. Nothing says games require registration.
I'm seriously fucking embarrassed at GAF reading comprehension right now.
I'm seriously fucking embarrassed at GAF reading comprehension right now.
Always on = no buy. I like electronics that I can turn off.
No, no, no, no. All turned off when not in use.
so is your tv, microwave, stereo, phone charger
No, no, no, no. All turned off when not in use.
la flama blanca
Banned
I'm pro Sony, but damn, people have major reading issues here. I don't really see anything wrong with the document other than it having a shitty Kinect add on.
Maximilian Kolbe
Member
I wish you at least read last few pages,of even just this pageMS
Hope this is not true
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
Perpetual Kinect spyware always watching you. Do not want.
BurnOutBrighter
Banned
So does it have a Blu-ray drive or what?
XtremeXpider
Member
Nah, it uses HD DVD. Of course it uses Bluray
. I doubt a new format will be on the market before at least 10 years.No. Optical discs are far, far cheaper to produce than flash media.
Why? They both work the same way. XBLA games are cheaper and smaller than retail games but they are still programmed the same way on the same hardware. You can't have one working perfectly without the other.
Yoda
Member
If this is what ends up getting announced I'd imagine the amount of negative PR it will generate will force some kind of moderation. This could come in the form of no-used games but can be played offline (some form of a CD-key) or a "grace period" where one doesn't have to be online. As a gamer, Sony is looking more attractive next generation as my "core" console. A sad note for Microsoft as they currently are the winner is this department (marginally).
BurnOutBrighter
Banned
Nah, it uses HD DVD. Of course it uses Bluray
Okay cool. Sony must be loving this.
XtremeXpider
Member
It depends. Some (I don't know how many) XBLA games was developed with XNA, games with no low level access, and using the API (I think) are easier to emulate than games accessing to metal.
Chinpoko_Master
Member
I'd say it's jumping to conclusions, not a lack of reading comprehension.
You dont remember the war of 2007 between Bluray and HDDVD? Microsoft lost mainly because the porn industry adopted Bluray. Everything will be Bluray and in a couple of years, DVD will be the VHS or the CD of the past. At least until we get a new way to read physical information with easy mass production.
Maybe Redray or something like that. Will need to be at least 150gb by disk.
Yeah, but then it becomes an exercise in pointlessness because the average consumer isn't going to understand why game X is available but not game y or why half of their games are buggy and broken (see Xbox emulation on 360).
You either bring it all or nothing at all.
That certainly is not what happened.
Pretty much but my thoughts:
- Always on, Always connected (Got to be online to get achievements and play multiplayer anyways)
- Low powered mode (Great)
- Kinect sold with every console, wider FOV, no motors, better tracking (Awesome so developers can incorporate the Kinect in their games)
- Kinect is required to be plugged in (No Biggie)
- Low latency controller with "improved ergonomics", simplified interaction with console OS (An even more ergonic upgrade over the current 360 controller!)
- Bluray drive (About time, no need for me to keep my PS3 or get a PS4)
- All games must be installed on HDD [you can start playing few secs after installation starts], game data streaming from optical disc not supported (Love the optional full install on the 360 for faster load times, having it mandatory is a welcome feature.)
- Only digital audio out
XtremeXpider
Member
I guess he is thinking the "Microsoft must pay to Sony" thing. But I guess he don't know Microsoft own the VC-1 codec, used on BluRays.
They only need to announce "most XBLA games are compatible" and that's all.
The install thing says to me that this is basically a console for downloaded games and discs are only there as a fall-back delivery mechanism for people with crap internet. The discs will be single use only because downloads can't be resold either. It's about having parity for downloads.
I see some people still think MS won't dare block the used game market. Good luck with that.
I see some people still think MS won't dare block the used game market. Good luck with that.
killer rin
Member
Lord does everyone here over react. Guys, this is supposedly developer documentation. If it was mandatory for you to be online, it would say it straight up, they wouldn't just skirt around the issue with devs.
Developers need to know exactly what they are getting into when they start a project. They need to know with 100% certainty exactly what features and system resources they have access too when they go to program the game/application. If it was mandatory for the console to be online, it would say that. Devs need to be able to tailor their systems accordingly.
As the page says straight up, it will have an always online mode for updates, nothing else. If it. If it was required for gameplay then devs would have to know in the most plain terms possible.
Developers need to know exactly what they are getting into when they start a project. They need to know with 100% certainty exactly what features and system resources they have access too when they go to program the game/application. If it was mandatory for the console to be online, it would say that. Devs need to be able to tailor their systems accordingly.
As the page says straight up, it will have an always online mode for updates, nothing else. If it. If it was required for gameplay then devs would have to know in the most plain terms possible.
Of course. The porn industry is the biggest industry out there outside of Video game and it usually choose who win in hardware. Beta lost because porn used VHS, Bluray won because of Porn. And right now 3D will boom because porn is starting to make 3D porn.
The internet is really really great.... for porn.
Its not just jumping to conclusions, its fanboys actually blowing it out of proportion.
StudioTan
Hold on, friend! I'd love to share with you some swell news about the Windows 8 Metro UI! Wait, where are you going?
This is extremely likely to NOT be the case.
When they talk about an "always on, always online" they mean that even when "Off" the console can still be connected to the internet and can therefore perform functions such as automatic downloading. Like if you're at work and your Xbox is off, you buy a game from the online store, the Xbox wakes up and downloads it and goes back into powersaving mode. That doesn't mean an internet connection is required to play games.
Except the porn studios backed HD DVD since they could not get anyone to press pornographic Bluray discs (due to pressure from Sony and Disney) at the time... It's really crazy to suggest that porn helped bluray win.
Pretty sure Bluray was backed by Porn. Disney is pretty low compared to the porn industry. We are talking billions over billions for the porn industry. http://www.pcworld.com/article/125618/article.html
Porn was the last blow against HDDVD.
XtremeXpider
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ionicbluebird
Member
I'm sure someone has already said it but streaming from the HDD is much faster than from a Blu-ray (27MB's vs 100MB/s)... unless you want to wait 3-5 minutes between levels you are going to want your game to be installed.
Angelus Errare
Banned
Not that it really matters when VC-1 is seldom used nowadays, MPEG-4 AVC overtook VC-1 years ago.
XtremeXpider
Member
Ok, but MS will pay rights to bluray Association (a lot of companies, included Sony), not "to Sony" as some people think.
Just put any object in front of Kinect.
Why? Xbox 360 is using DVD, and the first Xbox too. Bluray is not a "Sony" format, it is a standar format, just like the DVD or CD. Nintendo is using Bluray for Wii U games.
This very article says influence of porn is overrated. It's also a speculative article and those plans didn't work out. There weren't a lot of people pressing bluray discs in the early days and they wouldn't press porn discs. The porn industry supported HD DVD as a result. Here is a (more recent) article on that: http://www.reuters.com/article/2007/04/06/us-column-pluggedin-idUSN0435538720070406
While the industry isn't monolithic I really don't' think you will find any numbers to back the claim that they had any impact on the "war" at all. The war was over when Warner went from neutral to blu-ray