NINTENDO IS CHEATING!
you can't do that!
you can't allow a 30cent game to chart! Ballon Fight is now #4 on all time charts
cheating!
If Ballon Fight can chart at #4.
Super Metroid better be #1 in May.
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If Ballon Fight can chart at #4.
Super Metroid better be #1 in May.
Given the price that actually looks pretty poor for the game.NINTENDO IS CHEATING!
you can't do that!
you can't allow a 30cent game to chart! Ballon Fight is now #4 on all time charts
cheating!
And while they should allow more flexible pricing on VC games, I don't thing it's right to compare the likes of iOS ports. The pricing scheme there seems completely thrown off in a way that really may not be viable for most companies, the nature of software means you COULD get away with charging next to nothing and not have to worry about at least production costs, and more importantly if a game's really good then it doesn't matter that it's lower end. Granted, I'd take something like Angry Birds over Balloon Flight if the latter weren't cheaper this time, but I'd prefer something like LttP on the SNES at 8 over GTA at 5 on iOS, plus there's something to be said about fitting the platform you're on, and GTA wants way too many buttons for me to be comfortable playing on iOS (nevermind that despite technically being supported it won't work on my aging iPod Touch).
NINTENDO IS CHEATING!
you can't do that!
you can't allow a 30cent game to chart! Ballon Fight is now #4 on all time charts
cheating!
The cheap price would mean its chances of selling well are much better than more expensive games - Balloon Fight is more of an impulse purchase. It's also new, the default view is biased towards recent "best sellers". But over here, Balloon Fight isn't to be seen anywhere in any of the Top 20 of best selling games lists: Hopefully, this means few people are interested in poor 50Hz versions.
I heard somewhere that the charts are organized by how much revenue a title has pulled it, not the amount of downloads it has, so Balloon Fight is a win for Nintendo. Nintendo also does flexible prices for its GB/GBC games on the 3DS, so I think it's just a legacy thing. GBA games will likely be the same way.
Ah, so it is like Steam apparently is. Yeah, that must be nearly every Wii U owner that follows the news enough.
H_Prestige
Banned
They "allow" it because IT'S THE SAME FUCKING GAME. It's the same disc image. It's literally the same file stored on the same server.
If you buy FFVII through the vita, you are not buying a vita version of the game. You are buying the ps1 version of FFVII. If you buy FFVII through a psp, you are not buying a psp version of the game. You are buying the ps1 version of FFVII. If you buy FVII through a ps3, you are not buying a ps3 version of the game. You are buying the ps1 version of FFVII. If you buy SMB through a wii u, you are not buying a wii u version of SMB. You are buying the NES version of SMB.
That ^ is not anywhere on this page.
http://www.nintendo.com/wiiu/downloads/virtual-console/
The red bold stuff is on that page though.
Is the above quote just a quick translation of what Iwata said? Maybe something didn't get translated correctly?
It's like Nintendo is afraid to use the word "sale" in association with their 1st party games or something.
So instead of calling it a sale they came up with this weird "Trial Campaign" thing and confused the fuck out of everybody.
So, is the emulator they are using essentially the same as the original Wii Virtual Console? I'm curious if anyone has done any sort of in depth comparison on Balloon Fight. Some people seem to be claiming the image is kind of blurry. I don't remember there being any filters on the Wii Virtual Console (besides TG16 games). Everything always looked really crisp to me even on an HDTV.
I wouldn't mind paying a nominal fee for the upgrade to play on the pad, miiverse, etc. if I didn't have to transfer all my VC games over to the Wii U. I still have all my Virtual Console games on my old Wii hooked up to an old SDTV through component. I think I may just leave them where they are at because they look great on there. I know this isn't going to be an issue for most people but I really like keeping an old TV for retro games. I'm assuming once you move an existing purchase to the eshop the one in the Wii shop will cease to exist and that you will have to have moved your games over to the Wii U to begin with. I hope I'm wrong but I know I'm not.
I wouldn't mind paying a nominal fee for the upgrade to play on the pad, miiverse, etc. if I didn't have to transfer all my VC games over to the Wii U. I still have all my Virtual Console games on my old Wii hooked up to an old SDTV through component. I think I may just leave them where they are at because they look great on there. I know this isn't going to be an issue for most people but I really like keeping an old TV for retro games. I'm assuming once you move an existing purchase to the eshop the one in the Wii shop will cease to exist and that you will have to have moved your games over to the Wii U to begin with. I hope I'm wrong but I know I'm not.
It's what Iwata said, verbatim, on the NA Nintendo Direct.
"Trial Campaign" doesn't refer to the discounts, but the opportunity to "try" the Wii U Virtual Console before it goes officially live later this year.
Here's the page where the blurb is located: http://www.nintendo.com/wiiu/downloads/virtual-console/
It was presented slightly confusingly in the Nintendo Direct, but it's crystal clear now.
Nintendo really likes making me feel stupid. Like, I don't know the secret handshake or something.
ProtomanNeo
Member
So what's up with Gamecube?
Except the discounted games continue into August, and the Virtual Console is supposed to go live in the Spring.
Nintendo just messed up the messaging, there's no consistent idea behind it. Iwata is clearly referring to a trial period - try it, then buy it! It's called Trial Campaign. The fine print, though, also clearly says it's a discounted game - a one game a month sale to promote the service, before and after it launches. There's no logic connecting those two things.
Cheesemeister
Member
The word used in the Japanese presentation was 体験 (taiken), which is usually used as "demo." I absolutely thought these were going to be 30-day demos. In hindsight, they're trying to say you can try out the Wii U Virtual Console service with the special promotional rate so you'll be enticed to become a regular customer at full price.
It's okay, we all know it's a little confusing, including me. There's no need to have this argument.
You can define the word "trial" however you want -- try out VC games for cheap, try them before the service goes live, etc. -- either way the games are yours to keep, this we now know.
Carpe Libertatem
Member
You can choose whether or not you want it to hold onto your CC info. Best buy, Gamestop, places like that are generally good for getting eShop cards.
alf717
Member
Thank you. Haven't used the Wii U much but the recent Nintendo Direct has me pumped for what is coming down the road for the console.
I felt bad enough about that I got $10 credit for that reason.
... And the fact I wanted to be sure it went through, and because I'd either get a game with that cash or grab the others for 30 cents as they pop up. I figure at least F-Zero will be on that.
Wait, no you're not. If you bought Super Mario Bros. on the Wii Virtual Console, you bought a Wii version of Super Mario Bros. It's an emulator written for NES games presumably with hacks for Super Mario Bros. bundled with a Super Mario Bros. ROM and also set up to output as best as possible on a Wii. That's the software you bought.
That's why a hypothetical Wii U Virtual Console version of SMB would technically be a different piece of software; it would be a different emulator that can run on Wii U with different output settings, etc.
You're right that FFVII on PSN is the same between PS3, PSP, and Vita. It literally is the same disc image on each platform, and the emulators that can run that disc image on each system are built-into the system (I THINK). But it's not so with the Wii and Wii U; the software to run the game images (ROMs) are bundled with and tuned specifically for those images on that specific platform (either Wii or Wii U), for each and every Virtual Console game.
PSP has its own PS1 emulator, PS3 has its own PS1 emulator, and Vita has its own PS1 emulator, yet nobody expects them to each cost their own amount.
Right, because those emulators are all built-into the systems, right?
Ninja Scooter
Member
So we have to pay extra because Nintendo is too incompetent to figure out universal emulators of 20+ year old pieces of hardware?
Who says people are willing to pay it? We have no idea what Virtual Console sales are like. If it was a huge moneymaker it would've been better supported throughout the Wii's life cycle and it would've been on Wii U at launch.
Carpe Libertatem
Member
Given that Nintendo has kept this pricing from the Wii to the 3DS and now the Wii U, it should be safe to say that people are willing to pay it.
This is what I've been thinkin
is it safe to use your CC on the eShop?
I mean... after Sony and Microsoft's hack fiasco I'm a little worried about my info lol
I have never used a CC in a Nintendo platform before so I'm not sure how reliable their security system is
I actually wonder if it's that they're too ANAL, I seem to recall reading about near perfect compatibility for WAD injectors on NES/SNES games. In fact I do wonder if the Spring update implants the emulator on a system level with these being stopgap measures.
Yes. But even if they had universal emulators on Wii and Wii U, I could still see a justification for charging a small amount to move ROMs purchased on Wii to Wii U, since they would have had to develop a new universal emulator for Wii U and that costs money. That Sony isn't charging extra for the development of separate universal emulators on PS3, PSP, and Vita is really a gesture of goodwill on their part.
But also, when the Wii VC game was purchased, it was only ever a purchase for a Wii VC game. It was never a license to that game on every future platform Nintendo would ever release. At least the amount they are charging to upgrade to the Wii U version of a Wii VC game is relatively small.
Anyway, it's just capitalism. And again what Sony is doing is not the capitalistic thing to do, but more so just a nice way to reward their customers (though they may also have calculated that that reward is worth more than any potential backlash for charging extra for each universal emulator).
Yikes, really? I'm pretty sure it's $5 on 3DS. Why would they change it. :S
is it safe to use your CC on the eShop?
I mean... after Sony and Microsoft's hack fiasco I'm a little worried about my info lol
I have never used a CC in a Nintendo platform before so I'm not sure how reliable their security system is
It's safe. Your cc is stored ON the console, and it's also password protected in case someone steals it or whatever.
I don't know, because not every game on the store is compatible on the Vita store. They have to ensure that it works on it, which may or may not involve actually doing work (I don't know). Are you saying that Wii U is essentially porting these games to the Wii U and it's not emulating them?
H_Prestige
Banned
No it isn't. It's a gesture of not being dumb fucking idiots like nintendo. Nintendo is the only company practicing this kind of fuckery towards its customers. Nobody else does it. They're the exception, not Sony.
Those universal emulators are just features of those consoles, which are already paid for upon purchase obviously. Kind of like how gamepad streaming is a feature of the wii u that you just paid $300 for. Actually it's the main feature.
Oh really? Are you implying that Nintendo has generated more revenue through VC than Sony has through ps1/ps2/psp classics?
You think the ROM is any different between any of these so called "versions" of SMB? They aren't. Only thing different is the packaged emulator. It is absolutely no different than the FFVII comparison, only that Sony runs the ISO through a system wide ps1 emulator instead of making an emulator for each separate game. And that's a detail that makes absolutely no difference for the end user, so using the "but each game has its own emulator!" excuse as justification for charging again is pretty damn weak.
Vane_MagicCity
Banned
We know how digital purchases are handled by Sony, you can play your digital PS1 games on 3 devices and your digital PSP games on 2 devices. I think it's safe to say that if PS4 can play PS3 games, then you will not be charged an extra fee to play them.
BruiserBear
Banned
Just a word of warning to anyone considering buying Balloon Fight. I kind of regret impulse buying it. Even for 30 cents.
care to explain why?
BruiserBear
Banned
It's not very fun. It's not very charming. After a few minutes you've seen everything the game has to offer.
Eh, it's pretty much the same as sticking a quarter into an arcade machine to play something while waiting. Problem is it's on our home console, not something that'll just be there while at a diner or laundromat. Plus it satisfies the part of me that just wants to see how VC games work on the Wii U, F-Zero will be the game I want to really get, as well the rest other than Donkey Kong (unify and let me use my "complete" DK on Wii U!)
Does anybody know when transferring you Wii VC to the WiiU, is it all or nothing? Or can you choose which games you want to import over? I'm wondering because I have all of the 30 cent games on my Wii and want to leave them there and buy them on WiiU and pay the 2.10 for all of them but I want to pull the other games.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
Well, we don't know for sure but they most likely have. More titles, more platforms and generally higher pricepoints, plus Wii VC got off to an insane start (over 10m games sold it's first year). Do you have any reason to believe otherwise?
Well, there's spending money on a card perhaps just to get the game, if that's the only way you intend to get eShop stuff that's going to leave an annoyingly odd amount, but then going to cents is going to cause that anyway, and a single "needed funds" purchase should wipe that out.
Cool, I can play GBA games that I passed on because I don't buy handhelds. SWEET. All that's missing now is DS Virtual Console and I'm set to go.
Seems like it's temporarily out of the picture. But given how utterly small the N64 selection was in the first place, I'm not surprised they're focusing on the NES and SNES library first.
They're ROMs wrapped in individually-written emulation. Which will all need a re-write. Be happy it's not more they're asking for, there's lots of software companies that charge more for less manpower.
They did. It's called Wii Mode. And nothing's stopping someone from not upgrading.
They do. Wii Remotes, which are required for any multiplayer game, allow you to play these games with controllers meant to be used with the system.
Comparing this to the PS3's use of "respective controllers" is hilarious when you consider that the PlayStation controller essentially hasn't changed. AT ALL.
And off-TV play is easy to implement in games that aren't already a finished product. But you can't just flip a bloody switch and expect perfect compatibility, there IS work involved. And much like off-TV play likely has to be tweaked for each game that implements it at the raw code level, so too would the emulators that are piping an emulated product to another screen wirelessly.
The day that Sony implements a glitch-free emulation solution, then we have a right to criticize Nintendo's approach. Until then, it's a choice for the sake of usability over ease of implementation. From a user standpoint, it surprises me that you're railing so hard against the former and not the latter, since only the former serves benefit to you as a consumer.
Seems like it's temporarily out of the picture. But given how utterly small the N64 selection was in the first place, I'm not surprised they're focusing on the NES and SNES library first.
They're ROMs wrapped in individually-written emulation. Which will all need a re-write. Be happy it's not more they're asking for, there's lots of software companies that charge more for less manpower.
They did. It's called Wii Mode. And nothing's stopping someone from not upgrading.
They do. Wii Remotes, which are required for any multiplayer game, allow you to play these games with controllers meant to be used with the system.
Comparing this to the PS3's use of "respective controllers" is hilarious when you consider that the PlayStation controller essentially hasn't changed. AT ALL.
And off-TV play is easy to implement in games that aren't already a finished product. But you can't just flip a bloody switch and expect perfect compatibility, there IS work involved. And much like off-TV play likely has to be tweaked for each game that implements it at the raw code level, so too would the emulators that are piping an emulated product to another screen wirelessly.
The day that Sony implements a glitch-free emulation solution, then we have a right to criticize Nintendo's approach. Until then, it's a choice for the sake of usability over ease of implementation. From a user standpoint, it surprises me that you're railing so hard against the former and not the latter, since only the former serves benefit to you as a consumer.