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CNN: The United States has meddled in 81 elections in 47 countries
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Moff
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I'll take your answer as a no
America, as the rest of the world, should strife for justice and right. Russia meddling in the US-elections, just like any other country meddling with another country's democracy is not justice or right.
Same.
tedrotheredro
Member
Yeah, this is why I'm not super pissed at Russia. If they have the means and want to piss us off, that's their perogative. But don't think there won't be retaliation.
The real issue is the treasonous Americans.
The real issue is the treasonous Americans.
No, the threshold is far, far lower. It includes simply endorsing one candidate. The maximum dictated by the bounds of the study is probably about on par with what Russia did, which is spreading damaging information and align itself with one party/candidate with the express purpose of ensuring the other has the smallest chance of success possible. The maximum outside the bounds of this study are higher, so you are correct there.
Again, the 1953 Iran coup was not included in the list. Other electoral meddling in Iran was. See a page or two back where I and others state this.
gaming_noob
Member
Bubububu Russia!
excelsiorlef
Member
Umm ok. Minorities in America are going to suffer more with Trump than without
Again it's not funny and it's not good for the world but ok just laugh I guess.
TheUzukiLives
Banned
Goddammit. Welp, that's what I get for trying to be a smartass.
Moff
Member
Nothing could be further from the truth. The illegal wars the US have fought in the last 15 years in the middle east are getting more revelant every day and it's consequences are by far the most important factors in global politics. They will define this century.
It's very good CNN brought the crimes and intentions of the biggest global player into the light.
ebullientprism
Member
Didnt hear a lot of this talk of Justice and Righteousness till Russia did it to you.
There are a ton of things that America did that were not good for the world, but yet you tried your best to hide it and convince the world that your intentions were good, why now it is important when it happened to you? And to have the audacity to compare a bad president to the atrocities America enabled is laughable by itself.
Since he cant be meant with "did it to you" I am pretty sure he is sarcastic.
Please do explain the connection between the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and the Russian interference in the US election. I'm pretty interested, honest.
TheUzukiLives
Banned
Because
(A) This stuff has been going on before any of us has been born and
(B) The average individual on a video game forum has little to no control over what their government does behind the scenes.
You seem to be taking your hatred of what the US government has done to your country on the people rather then the government body. I won't tell you you need to simmer down, you have every right to be upset, but you should direct those emotions to people that have actually wrong you rather then the people who have to suffer with the byproducts of something they had nothing to do with.
excelsiorlef
Member
I'm Canadian bro
I protested against Bush when he'd come here. I protested against the war on Iraq
I'm just also not going to get giddy when Putin and Russia are helping White Nationalists take power.
eqqsquizitine
Member
There is not one single truth in your sentence. You couldn't be more wrong.
Amen.
And when the hasn't worked the US had ousted (whether toppled or killed) democratically elected leaders of countries and imposed right wing dictatorships and military juntas. This isn't new news to anyone. In fact because of US interference millions of innocent people have died, even more have had to live through horrible atrocities, and many will never get a chance to have peace because their countries have forever been irreversibly hurt by US intervention. Any American citizen that believes in the crackpot idea that the US stands as the bastion and protector of liberty should be ashamed at what their country has done around the world over the years.
I've lost family and my family have lost friends due to the illegal government the US set up and backed in my country and it's something I will never forget and never forgive from the US government, no matter who is in power.
I've lost family and my family have lost friends due to the illegal government the US set up and backed in my country and it's something I will never forget and never forgive from the US government, no matter who is in power.
jackissocool
Member
US is honestly pretty much the ultimate evil empire
We've orchestrated a few genocides here and there, but what's a little meddling between nation states?
'The strong do what they want while the weak suffer what they must' has been a part of international relations for around 4000 years. America won't be the last to exemplify it.
Hope you are talking about the Native American genocide...
Orchestrated means having a heavy influence on the planning. Besides that one, you lost me on a "few genocides here and there".
I mean, obviously Trump being in power is a net negative for every goddamn country in the world, fuck that orange cheeto motherfucker and fuck Russia for interfering.
But it can also be incredibly frustrating to read this forum on the US's foreign policies. This is a fairly liberal leaning forum and so many people still cling to the idea that America is some kind of shining bastion for international justice.
Lol, no.
But it can also be incredibly frustrating to read this forum on the US's foreign policies. This is a fairly liberal leaning forum and so many people still cling to the idea that America is some kind of shining bastion for international justice.
Lol, no.
PeskyToaster
Member
That doesn't mean the US won't respond when it happens to it. The Golden Rule doesn't exist in international relations.
Angelus Errare
Banned
I mean America has undermined and done fucked up stuff against it's own people, are people really naive enough to think it wouldn't do the same to other countries in various ways to include messing with their elections lol?
Pretty much. The abnormality isn't that Russia tried, its that US citizens embraced it at best, and colluded at worst, for their own benefit.
captainnapalm
Member
America and its Western allies like to think of themselves as the cool rebels, Luke Skywalker and Han Solo, saving the world.
But you know who you really are.
But you know who you really are.
aspiegamer
Member
San Marino and Iceland? CIA must get desperate when it has nothing else to do. Hell, most people at the CIA probably don't even know what or where a San Marino is (and I don't really blame them).
Would love a collection of dates on all these, as well as an indicator as to whether we successfully influenced an outcome, failed, or triggered a massive backlash.
Would love a collection of dates on all these, as well as an indicator as to whether we successfully influenced an outcome, failed, or triggered a massive backlash.
You don't even need a book for many of those. Many are detailed clearly in declassified CIA documents available on US government websites.
Maintenance
Member
Fifteen? More like fifty, and that's low balling it.
SolarPowered
Member
Might makes right, CNN. Dont'cha know?
This is kind of a non-sense argument at some point. Should we have a list-war between the US, the Soviet Union and Russia? I suppose that the SU and its successor state will win that battle hands-down.
But where would that get us today? Does it make Russia's meddling better or worse? Or should every country start doing the same, because the US and Russia do it? What's the conclusive argument here?
But where would that get us today? Does it make Russia's meddling better or worse? Or should every country start doing the same, because the US and Russia do it? What's the conclusive argument here?
entremet
Member
Yep.
This is where I agree with libertarians. Way too much foreign meddling. Its not like our country is not in tatterseducation, infrastructure, so on.
It is on the list.
I am very grateful that the US stood up to Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union, though. The world would be a very different place without that intervention or NATO. Europe would probably be a devastated communist mess by now just like so many ex-USSR states.
Coriolanus
Banned
reporting doesnt require a conclusive argument.
Aaronology
Member
As a black dude in the US, allow me to roll my fucking eyes at this comment. I've got a laundry list of grievances with America but calling it the "ultimate evil" anything is hyperbolic to the point of being comedic.