Wouldn't constructing a useful narrative not include attaching your Presidency to a bill that some/most were already calling Ryancare, so that said chaos between opposing sides isn't your problem?
Or are you just hoping.
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Politico on Trump's terrible deal making with Trumpcare.
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Wouldn't constructing a useful narrative not include attaching your Presidency to a bill that some/most were already calling Ryancare, so that said chaos between opposing sides isn't your problem?
Or are you just hoping.
TetraGenesis
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It's all part of the 4D chess game he's playing, baby!
Muppet of a Man
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Bannon is the actual president, which is pretty scary when you think about it.
TetraGenesis
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^This is good shit
SporeCrawler
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why not clinton america?
They've literally moved on to calling it 5D. I wish I was joking.
TetraGenesis
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If it went through then he's an even worse position given the fact his supporters are just now barely waking up to the havoc they wrought on their own homes:
Trumpcare winds up costing them $3600 in insurance costs per year. Jesus tier cheap plan runs about $90 per month for a single person...
24 million people lose healthcare and another 155 million people that receive health insurance via employer are impacted negatively.
AARP makes sure none of their members vote for Trump again once their costs go up 15%.
The final "WTF, you've really fucked me over" moment comes after these people realize rich people get an estimated $594 billion tax cut over the life of Trumpcare
^^ Imagine all this happening in an election year.
Trumpcare winds up costing them $3600 in insurance costs per year. Jesus tier cheap plan runs about $90 per month for a single person...
24 million people lose healthcare and another 155 million people that receive health insurance via employer are impacted negatively.
AARP makes sure none of their members vote for Trump again once their costs go up 15%.
The final "WTF, you've really fucked me over" moment comes after these people realize rich people get an estimated $594 billion tax cut over the life of Trumpcare
^^ Imagine all this happening in an election year.
Rentahamster
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I think we're getting our wires crossed a little here. Let's just take it back to the previous post.
The intent behind that comment is to warn people not to underestimate him like they did during the election. We can't afford to have such short term memory.
Yes, he is. I'll give another example. Trump's budget showed cuts to NASA. The actual funding legislation that he just signed is almost the same as last year. In fact, it is slightly larger. Trump is just fine with the outcome, and Democrats think they have achieved a victory for passing legislation that is basically the status quo.
He's already done some things to that effect. Now, granted, not everything is a perfect negotiation that is just according to keikaku. But neither is it all some random bumbling either.
That has everything to do with a plan being executed. He planned to win the presidency and he did.
All valid criticisms, but my caution is that it's still too early to see any big picture results yet. Again, don't underestimate him.
Possibly too early to say yet.
That we can agree on.
If that's true, Bannon is pretty fucking terrible at it.
Bannon is just as far out of his league as trump is. Hes has no idea how to bring people together. He only knows how to shit on people.
Aaron Strife
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The biggest problem is that Trump has absolutely zero leverage here.
Everyone hated the bill, AARP, the Koch brothers' group, Club for Growth, etc. all came out against it. Trump not giving two shits about the specifics made it impossible for him to mediate the process because nothing they threw in there was actually useful for the end goal. For every Freedom Caucus dumbass he won over by screwing over more people he lost another moderate (and the interest groups ramped up their opposition), and even then the Freedom Caucus realized they could get away with demanding more.
Dude's approval rating is barely treading above the 40s and has been negative almost the minute he walked in the door. When Obama started the process of legislating ACA (which he was involved in from the beginning which allowed him to deal with specific concerns while crafting the bill rather than have it all come to a head at a critical moment), his approvals were in the 60s. They were considerably lower by the time he passed it, but still better than Trump's and by that point they were far enough along (versions had already passed the House and Senate) that the downside of coming out empty handed might have been even worse.
No Congressman worth two fucks is going to die on Trump's hill. Obama had a movement behind him - one that wasn't very efficient at electing people downballot, but his leadership was important enough for Democrats to take tough votes. If ACA survives Trump's presidency and stabilizes he's easily a top 10 president.
Trump is an idiot who was elected by accident pushing a shitty bill that has a 17% approval rating. And now he's trying to pin this on the Democrats. "Yeah, you'll take the fall for stopping this bill that nobody liked and would have drastically reduced the quality of life for millions of people!" Gee, that'll learn us.
Like I don't know if they'll be able to regroup and come up with a repeal of ACA that works for everyone in the party or what, maybe this story still doesn't have a happy ending, but jesus Trump couldn't have fucked this up any harder.
Everyone hated the bill, AARP, the Koch brothers' group, Club for Growth, etc. all came out against it. Trump not giving two shits about the specifics made it impossible for him to mediate the process because nothing they threw in there was actually useful for the end goal. For every Freedom Caucus dumbass he won over by screwing over more people he lost another moderate (and the interest groups ramped up their opposition), and even then the Freedom Caucus realized they could get away with demanding more.
Dude's approval rating is barely treading above the 40s and has been negative almost the minute he walked in the door. When Obama started the process of legislating ACA (which he was involved in from the beginning which allowed him to deal with specific concerns while crafting the bill rather than have it all come to a head at a critical moment), his approvals were in the 60s. They were considerably lower by the time he passed it, but still better than Trump's and by that point they were far enough along (versions had already passed the House and Senate) that the downside of coming out empty handed might have been even worse.
No Congressman worth two fucks is going to die on Trump's hill. Obama had a movement behind him - one that wasn't very efficient at electing people downballot, but his leadership was important enough for Democrats to take tough votes. If ACA survives Trump's presidency and stabilizes he's easily a top 10 president.
Trump is an idiot who was elected by accident pushing a shitty bill that has a 17% approval rating. And now he's trying to pin this on the Democrats. "Yeah, you'll take the fall for stopping this bill that nobody liked and would have drastically reduced the quality of life for millions of people!" Gee, that'll learn us.
Like I don't know if they'll be able to regroup and come up with a repeal of ACA that works for everyone in the party or what, maybe this story still doesn't have a happy ending, but jesus Trump couldn't have fucked this up any harder.
As happy as I am to see this whole thing fail, theres something especially disconcerting on the idea that most of the Republicans that sunk this thing didn't sink it because of how bad this would be for the American people or because millions would lose coverage... they sunk it because it didn't fuck us over enough. They wanted to strip out even more of the basic benefits like ER visits, preventive services, and maternity/infant care.
Milly Osworth
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I'm glad my country isn't run by a fucked up 2 party system like in the USA.
I don't think he (personally) has any great plans, but I can get behind this. Back to work guys, Trump already has done way too much damage and will continue to do so.
UnluckyKate
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And they called Obama a king because they didn't like his ways... Jesus
electroshockwave
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Rentahamster
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What you quoted is nothing at all alike. I told y'all to stop taking Trump so lightly back in 2015 and look what happened. Don't make the same mistake again.
Dismanteling Washington isn't as easy as publishing garbage on Breitbart, as it turns out.
I always thought it strange that in the USA the presidential election is won by the person who has the most money spent on their campaign. In other countries you need a platform and policies. Trump claims he has policies but they are actually just one sentence summaries of his plans. That would not pass muster in most democracies.
The other thing about business is that generally there are a lot of different parties that can accomplish any given task you need.
You can piss off a construction company and blow up a deal by playing hardball and it's fine, because you can always find another person willing to build if they think they can make money off it. Heck, Trump has maintained a real estate empire while alienating almost every single major financial institution. It's okay, because there are always more people with money out there.
In politics, you deal with a limited group of people, and you can't walk away from them. If you torpedo one project, that will impact every other deal you make for the rest of your term. That applies to both domestic and foreign policy. You can't bully your way into getting what you want, because you can't realistically exit any of those relationships if they don't go your way.
Trump has been learning that the hard way, first with foreign policy (Mexico and the wall), and now with domestic policy.
electroshockwave
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Yeah, that guy saying Trump is playing 4 dimensional chess is totally different from you saying Trump is 4 dimensional chess.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Your point being....?
electroshockwave
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That the only people buying into the notion that this clusterfuck of incompetence and failure was actually some amazing gambit or House of Cards maneuver are the ones who've already drank the Kool-Aid.
Asking people not to be too cocky, than calling someone kid.
Thats exactly my humour.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
That's some grade A sleuthing right there.
I see you haven't watched Star Wars.
Green Yoshi
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"Stupid White Men" by Michael Moore was released less than eight months after George W. Bushs inauguration. Before 9/11 his approval ratings were really bad. Perhaps there will be a turning point for Donald Trump, too.
We are reaching a level which is too low even for me, so be aware that this is my last reply to this. Learn using quotes when they make sense. Thanks in advance.
Now humour me again: What was again your point?
Sidewinder
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SaviourMK2
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Is anyone really surprised? He's kind of an idiot.
Permanently A
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There are people on /r/the_donald vehemently claiming this was all part of Trump's master plan to get rid of Paul Ryan.
4D chess indeed
4D chess indeed
12D Hungry Hippos while doing backflips over Velociraptors.
TarpitCarnivore
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Ha, he called New York Times to initiate interview despite them being "Fake news"
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/24/us/politics/donald-trump-health-care.html?_r=0
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/24/us/politics/donald-trump-health-care.html?_r=0
Kid Kamikaze10
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Bill Clinton had a string of failures too, but still got reelected.
Bush with full power still couldn't get tax reform done.
But neither of them have failed as obviously as Donald, and they knew where the blame lied.
This is new territory, but if Trump never learns the word "humility" and "compromise", he'll soon wish he lost the election.
Of course, his luck could change. That's why we got to stay vigilant. Don't deny it though: the man is in a hole like we have never seen.
Bush with full power still couldn't get tax reform done.
But neither of them have failed as obviously as Donald, and they knew where the blame lied.
This is new territory, but if Trump never learns the word "humility" and "compromise", he'll soon wish he lost the election.
Of course, his luck could change. That's why we got to stay vigilant. Don't deny it though: the man is in a hole like we have never seen.
harriet the spy
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Not saying that I agree with him - but wasn't rentahamster one of the only people that consistently said that trump could get elected on this forum. It certainly appears that trump has no fucking plan and is spinning his wheels but
A/ it certainly appeared that the election was in the bag for Hilary, and while these are unrelated it certainly makes me doubt GAF and my own punditry in general
B/ evil as he is, bannon is not an idiot. And sadly, given how well they are doing elections wise, neither are republicans
But certainly I hope that occam razor applies and that they are going to go from disaster to disaster due to complete incompetence
(Please check my post history before accusing me of concern trolling / being a closet republican)
Haunted
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I can kinda see where rentahamster is coming from. He's just saying that democrats should still bring their A game and not underestimate their opponent just because he's a moron.
I think you do need someone like that, a chicken little/devil's advocate type character to keep everyone else on their toes.
I think you do need someone like that, a chicken little/devil's advocate type character to keep everyone else on their toes.
He blinked in a game of chicken with the crazies of his party, the crazies that should be his people. He lost a lot of capital this last week.
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