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The loss of Obamacare would be like a death sentence but theyd vote for Trump again
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That may be so, but as of late I'm getting the vibe that a lot of people want the ACA to implode and the Republicans to have nothing for a, "hah" type of thing. There is way to much at risk for that line of thinking. I sincerely hope that they can pull some magic out of their ass to save lives.
Also, I feel like a big problem is that the ACA may be as good as it gets without going full socialism. A lot of people have problems with that as well. I'm trying to stay optimistic. You guys need to stop trying to pull me down lol.
NorthAndSouth
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There is self sacrifice for country and then there is just downright stupidity. That type of reasoning certainly doesn't suggest itself for the former.
I do however unironically admire the loyalty.
I do however unironically admire the loyalty.
One of those people who want the ACA to implode is the President of the United States himself.
You attitude is more akin to "I'm the only one who doesn't seem to want everything to go wrong, whats wrong with you people?!?"
No one here is hoping ACA will implode. But we are being realistic. It likely will, and there likely wont be a good replacement.
Keep living in your fantasy if you want.
Right wingers are sociopaths?
Paul Ryan has been talking mad shit for ages about the ACA and claiming they can produce something better. Remember the whole thing about him hiding a glorious bill to save everyone? Then no one could find it? Yea, that happened. He is the biggest joke out of this imo. Apparently, he even got on his knees for it and failed.
Why am I naive for hoping for the best for everyone? I really do not understand the attitudes on here sometimes. I just want the best for everyone regardless of where it comes from. I believe that's pretty normal, so yes, I am ok. Are you? Do you want the ACA to implode with nothing in place for those lives that could be lost?
Belligerent ignorance.
I can't muster many ways they left out to tell you that this is not their interest and never will be.
You do this in every thread.
Your implications pointing at others, acting like you're the only one who cares, is petty.
NorthAndSouth
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That was the government level equivalent of a college student desperately trying to pass a course they had majorly procrastinated on. Hilarious that they had nearly a decade to produce something of a higher quality and they came up with a literal pile of steaming garbage.
Well, I never said something would come along that would be great. I'm simply hoping for it. I'm not living in a fantasy. I see things how they are. Let me ask you this, if the ACA implodes and nothing was put in place, would you proudly call Trump a failure? If so, is that what you wanted all along?
jesus fucking christ, tator
stop throwing your implications on others
this shtick is old
It comes across that way because my political stance does not line up with most of GAF. I never have these problems elsewhere. The other problems is that I never see anyone post anything hopeful. It's all doom and gloom at times. Sorry I'm the one that tries to put a positive spin on things.
Yes. Because the plan they would have put in place was even worse than the ACA exploding. Nominally, the ACA is only failing because of the Republicans. So here you had these guys who could have helped fix it and yet you're still hoping that they're going to do something about it?
Emphasis on *spin*.
Blood Diamonds
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Matrix XII
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Wow, the stupidity actually hurts.
It's really not surprising at this point though.
It's really not surprising at this point though.
Angelus Errare
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Clearly you don't follow the news at all.
Well they have already promised to wait for you to get burned in the explosion and then they will start working on how to figure out to heal your burns.
So... have fun with that.
Yekshemesh
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Putting "Hope" on a party that overwhelmingly voted against your privacy, turn back LGTBQ protection rights, deleting climate change data, overturning environmental protections and take away health insurance from millions of Americans. What the fuck am I reading....
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Fat4all, explain to me why my original post was me rooting for something better to come along since the ACA is imploding and now I'm being dog piled? Also, explain to me how I feel like I'm in a corner needing to apologize for being hopeful. Feels weird to me.
Trojita
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Aren't those providers dropping out because of Republican fuckery?
It's the M.O. for Republicans to break something that works if they don't like it or Democrats like or made it. Then they point out how it is broken even though they broke it.
TatorTots is being played like a fiddle.
It's the M.O. for Republicans to break something that works if they don't like it or Democrats like or made it. Then they point out how it is broken even though they broke it.
TatorTots is being played like a fiddle.
Remember who ran on Repeal and Replace? Right, Donald Trump
https://twitter.com/michaelschwab13/status/845393234536923137
He ran on replacing ACA with something better. His actual plan would have resulted in premiums skyrocketing and millions losing health insurance coverage, in addition to cutting the budget for healthcare and health research. And again, the sole reason that did not go trough was that didn't go far enough for the Freedom Caucus.
Republicans and Trump presented their plan. Their plan is fuck over millions of people.
this is a trumpet talking point. and it's not exactly true. so you should probably start there before trying to play your 'hopeful' card and a victim
I know that was his big point outside of jobs, but Ryan was there before Trump and was revolting against the ACA since day one claiming he had answers. When the time came for him to step to the plate......well....he ran from the plate.
MegaManTrigger
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You say the bolded like it matters to the Republicans. They don't actually care about making good healthcare for Americans, otherwise we would have seen a decent attempt. Also, why is there a stigma on socialist healthcare?
It was his big point, yes. He delivered as well as Ryan.
Of course its not nationwide, but its happening in a lot of states. Mine included. I'm pretty sure you're aware of premiums sky rocketing and providers backing out of regions. Not sure how that can be denied.
The only plan Republicans had would have ended with premiums skyrocketing and millions losing health insurance coverage
We need to define "better" here, and the fact I am saying this is telling.
In your eyes, what is better? In the eyes of the GOP, the following was part of a better plan.
- Axe 24 million people on coverage
- Put fixed blocks of income on Medicaid, starving the program to death
- Not disconnected with the above point, but link the program as means-tested employment program. That's right; no job? You might not even get fucking Medicaid, and that's for people at the bottom.
- No tax credits to help with coverage
- 30% increase to premiums if there's a gap in coverage
- Axe essential health benefits: insurers can deny covering you if you're too expensive and lack the highest premium plan. The following will be some of those
- Don't cover any women's reproductive measures
- Eliminate preventive care coverage
- Don't cover child care
- Don't cover emergency hospital visits
You want something good from the GOP? Get them out of fucking office.
Trojita
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What conclusion should you come to when both of them say they have plans and answers with nothing to show for it?
SlickShoesRUCrazy
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All I do is point and laugh like nelson.
Why you ask?
Their hatred for minorities, lgbtq, etc is so blinding, they will risk their lives.
So honestly, fuck them.
Why you ask?
Their hatred for minorities, lgbtq, etc is so blinding, they will risk their lives.
So honestly, fuck them.
Ah, I see. So me hoping Republicans do something positive is why I'm replying every 3 seconds. I just want a good outcome no matter where it comes from. That's all. I do not see how that is terrible. Also, a lot of people are against socialist healthcare in the U.S. Personally, I'm for it, but I do not see it happening anytime soon.
Hopeful of what? Did the CBO not score the ACHA, and provide factual data on more people losing insurance and get worse coverage?
The only reason ACHA was the first major bill by this admin is so they can cut $600 billion from govt healthcare cost, which can then be used to cover taxcuts passed with budget reconciliation since it will be revenue nuetral.
If you can ELI5 how the GOP is going to cut 600B from healthcare, not have anywhere near 600B in healthcare cost savings, and still provide something better then I'll concede the point to you.
My friend, you will get a good outcome from people sincere about the issue.
The GOP will never, ever deliver. They're the anchor away from single payer health care, for example.
"Better" is simply affordable to most citizens. Premiums are getting out of hand. Yes, that bill was terrible, but something needs to come along that is sustainable before the ACA collapses.
How are you capable to ignore the big elephant in the room, that they showed their plan? They made clear what they want.
They showed indeed a terrible bill and the sole reason it failed it was not terrible enough for some. What makes you think they will suddenly change? Magic?
You're getting grief, because everything you say suggests that you don't really belong in the same plane of reality. You can hope Republicans come up with a good plan but:
Every single piece of evidence suggests Republicans won't do it.
There is a point where naivete can no longer be justified.
The inherent racism runs far deeper for them than their own lifeline support. So long as Trump keeps blaming all of societies faults and ills on minorities and baseless terrorism threats, there will always be an audience willing to die for him. Sadly that audience is growing larger.
PROTIP: The best version of conservative, market based healthcare has already been passed by Obama. ACA needs some technical fixes that all major legislations require, and the GOP has refused. Healthcare cost can be decreased by increasing subsidies, not cutting subsidies.
The other ways of making a better healthcare bill involves liberal ideas like public option, Medicare expansion or single payer.
and I'm sure you're aware that the states' political choices in some instances had a hand in that. Not too mention you are supporting those who didn't actually offer any attempts to improve the issues with ACA, and simply offered up crap that made everything worse (unless you are rich looking for a tax cut).
So again, your support of those same people 'offering something better' and playing a victim in this thread isn't working.
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