Peterthumpa
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Oh yes. Better HBAO maybe. That would be something worth trading for my precious extra 30 FPS.
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TLOU Remastered: 30 fps option gives better shadow quality [Up: Comparison GIF in OP]
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Oh yes. Better HBAO maybe. That would be something worth trading for my precious extra 30 FPS.
Synless
Member
That is not a comparison either. Halo 2 is the only one getting special treatment and Halo 4 is just getting a framerate and resolution bump. TLoU is getting improvements across the board as well as the resolution and framerate bump.
supernormal
Member
I don't know why this isn't absolutely obvious. It actually even refers to this in the article.
The Omega Man
Member
what's the dilema here? pc gamers have always lowered shadow quality if it means 60fps gameplay, people that wanted 60fps will stick to it.
ChawlieTheFair
pip pip cheerio you slags!
Well, this pic was taken using the unpatched version:
Really, how much better shadows could look than this? Unless they upped the shadow quality here since not a lot of geometry and so on. But I guess not.
If that's how it's going to look, 30 FPS shouldn't be that much better I believe.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmAFhQmuBD4&list=UU-2Y8dQb0S6DtpxNgAKoJKA
Go to 1:24 of that, and look at the pillar where you can see shadows from the leaves. They are pretty jaggy (as one would expect) but maybe ones like that are more smoothed out?
Shadows seem like a questionable reason to switch. High quality textures, maybe. But if there's a setting I'm going to tweak lower for higher FPS, (besides turning crap like motion blur off), shadows is often the first to be sacrificed.
But it is pretty cool that a console game is offering the choice.
But it is pretty cool that a console game is offering the choice.
OneEyeTwoHead
Banned
Shadows are literally the first thing I turn down when trying to optimize a game to hit 60FPS on my PC.
Well, this pic was taken using the unpatched version:
Really, how much better shadows could look than this? Unless they upped the shadow quality here since not a lot of geometry and so on. But I guess not.
If that's how it's going to look, 30 FPS shouldn't be that much better I believe.
We'll have to see when you're outside walking around, and how the shadows look a little farther away.
Backfoggen
Banned
Well, this pic was taken using the unpatched version:
Really, how much better shadows could look than this? Unless they upped the shadow quality here since not a lot of geometry and so on. But I guess not.
If that's how it's going to look, 30 FPS shouldn't be that much better I believe.
They could be softer
The Rain King
Member
It is. That was versus the PS3 version.
Peterthumpa
Member
Yup, noticed it a few minutes ago. But isn't the patch the same one carrying Photo Mode? If that's true, this video was recorded at 60 PFS. Or maybe at 30 FPS, but even that way, "secondary" shadows like those from the leaves aren't smoothed out.
Dragonborn
Member
I don't think there's is any dilemma here, outside of those concerned individuals.
ComputerMKII
Banned
If you move slowly the difference will be noticeable, as the video will stutter in 30 fps.
Adam_Roman
Member
Sticking with 60fps. I'd rather have improved gameplay than nicer shadows.
If the developers uses the power accordingly, 30 FPS will always have better graphics.
So you are saying PCs are not powerful enough to do 60fps and better shadows? wtf
Vulcano's assistant
Banned
variable penumbra
example from Crysis 2 dx11 patch : http://international.download.nvidi...images/articles/crysis2uu/PenumbraShadows.gif
Bomb-Threat
Banned
Uh... what? No.
SerTapTap
Member
"Better shadows" is not a binary switch you flip and not the only change in the remaster. You could have 8k internal resolution shadows and bring a Titan to it's knees. This is not something where "better shadows" is this super simple, super binary thing that every game absolutely must have.
But PC gamers can spend money to get both 60fps *and* the highest detail settings. Which is obviously an unrealistic situation for a fixed spec platform like a console
Cantthink278
Banned
I dont mind 30FPS at all it really doesnt make a difference to me. Yeah 60FPS is cool and all but 30FPS doesnt take away from the experience at all. I will definitely put 30FPS mode on so I can get those shinies.
SerTapTap
Member
Okay no. Do I have to quote for the third time that shadows are one of over a dozen, some very taxing, graphical improvements to this remaster?
This thread is bonkers.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
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LOL wtf
what is wrong with wondering why TLoU, a last gen title made on a system that is 7 years old, can't do 60fps and ultra shadows or whatever.
and mention titanfall when i never played titanfall, never post in titanfall threads or anything and when i..
and
smh
ChoklitCow
Member
It's weird. Most people are up in arms over this while I expected people to be excited.
Having a console game that allows you to select FPS is a fairly recent and uncommon occurrence. To actually increase quality when resources have been shifted is pretty awesome and I'm assuming took some time for ND to develop.
I also assume that the shadows are going to be more prominent in areas where the flashlight is used. Seems like that would be pretty intensive in a 60fps environment.
Having a console game that allows you to select FPS is a fairly recent and uncommon occurrence. To actually increase quality when resources have been shifted is pretty awesome and I'm assuming took some time for ND to develop.
I also assume that the shadows are going to be more prominent in areas where the flashlight is used. Seems like that would be pretty intensive in a 60fps environment.
Wishmaster92
Member
But you shouldn't notice any difference since this is included in the day one patch. Or did you download it already?
GameAddict411
Member
Better shadows are not going to half the performance, it seems that game is not hitting 60 FPS as often. Best case scenario is that it runs like TB.
The more I think about the remaster the more I realize that not a lot of effort was put into this, other remasters like TB had massive visual jump over the last gen version + 50 FPS on average. This remaster improves some stuff here and there, nothing major and it still leaves performance drops from 60 FPS.
The more I think about the remaster the more I realize that not a lot of effort was put into this, other remasters like TB had massive visual jump over the last gen version + 50 FPS on average. This remaster improves some stuff here and there, nothing major and it still leaves performance drops from 60 FPS.
DarthWalden
Banned
Preorder cancelled
I'm talking about 30fps VS 60fps.
And I really don't think better shadows worse gameplay.
TheDarkKnight774
Member
Cool. Gamers for years have clamoring for the option of either 30fps and more eye candy or 60fps and now a game has provided you the option.
"If you decide to play without the 30 FPS lock, the framerate may dip below 60 during certain sections of the game. However, based upon our experience with the title today, we can say that if you are a fan of 60 FPS, you wont be disappointed. "
Not really sure how to interpret that.
GameAddict411
Member
Are you claiming that every PC gamer has the best hardware available? If you want 60 FPS + max settings you will have to upgrade almost every year.
it means its not locked, and to expect a few drops here and there.
gundamkyoukai
Member
Your crazy or don't know how expensive shadows can get .
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
Imagine a hypothetical ad-absurdum situation in which you have a 30FPS visual of a single square moving one pixel per second. They the same thing at 60FPS. It would be literally impossible to tell what the framerate this runs at. Speed up the movement of the square enough and the distinction becomes very easy to make. This is what I'm saying. At slow enough movement speed, the difference becomes quite small, and proportionally larger the faster things start moving.
Alcoholikaust
Member
I'll take those nicer shadows
please.
figured that's why. I'm assuming vsync is also going to be enabled and have better IQ overall?
up the ass as my kitty shits on the wall
figured that's why. I'm assuming vsync is also going to be enabled and have better IQ overall?
clutch.as.it.gets.
Member
I don`t need 60 frames for this game. TLoU is all about immersion and the better the visuals the more I'm immersed.
Prevolition
Member
I don't understand how they can't get those better shadows in 60fps for a remaster if they are able to work that magic for Uncharted 4. Time constraints/engine limitations?
The PS3 version isn't running it at 1080p or with high resolution textures or 60 FPS. It does however have the benefit of 7 years worth of development optimizations regardless of how old the hardware is.
The PS4 version does run it at these specs and it is roughly 4-8 times more demanding - which it is accomplishing just fine. An amazing feat for a $400 machine.
LabouredSubterfuge
Member
"Ultra shadows" is an arbitrary term. The remastered version already has improved shadows over the original, but they're improved even more at 30 FPS because increasing the quality takes more rendering time.
So no, the PS4 is not powerful enough to do something that takes 33ms in a span of 16ms. It does not feature a flux capacitor that allows it to travel to the past so it can spend longer rendering.