Every....damn...day...
Remember when Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch, Hank Pym and Ironman sit her down to tell her she is fucked up
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The Captain Marvel movie might be better then me thought and more important
- Thread starter Slayven
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Every....damn...day...
Remember when Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch, Hank Pym and Ironman sit her down to tell her she is fucked up
Duane Cunningham
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The Broken Ska Record
Member
both captains in there
And a Superman. And an Atom!
Someone needs to make a "Best Hits" list of Carol's misadventures. Including the weird pregnancy... thing.
Great more black sidekicks.
Slayven: CAPTAIN MARVEL SUCKS
Brie Larson:
Slayven: I love Captain Marvel, actually.
Is that supposed to be sexy?
jobber
Would let Tony Parker sleep with his wife
I was under the impression that this "phase" of the MCU was just a story playing out in a computer simulation for Kang the Conqueror. Marvel has been pushing Kang in video games (Lego MSH2) and on the Avengers cartoon. IIRC, Captain America screwed something up in his time period that caused something bad to happen in the future...
turns out Cap was a Skrull
Having everybody be a suspected evil shapeshifter is going to create storytelling problems. It's good that they waited as long as they did.
Kind of like having everybody be a suspected neo nazi affiliate?
Worse.
If you read Secret Invasion, the paranoia level is through the roof.
Cyclops had to threaten them with genocide.
I did, but that doesn't really convince me that introducing "is so and so a skrull?" would be problematic for storytelling. If anything it just ramps up the fan engagement with the material like it did for Secret Invasion.
And even if it's not an active story element, they had a million and one opportunities to introduce at the very least the concept of them.
I just mean like you have to undermine a lot of characters just to make it interesting. Comic readers can tolerate that stuff since we're used to status quo upsets.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
It's definitely a bigger mountain to climb. In the movies, everyone that's shown to be Hydra is already a dick and antagonistic towards our heroes. You can play around with the "Who's a Skrull?" thing for a little bit in a film, but eventually you'll have to just ease up and show who's good and who's bad.
Machine
Member
Comics also had a lot more characters and stories before they tried that.
Agents of Shield made it pretty clear that whom and whom wasn't a Hydra agent was pretty hard to discern.
Like I said though, it would have made sense if Marvel utilized their shared universe better.
I thought his movie was canceled?
It's not on the DCEU schedule. Pity. I'd be excited. The actor seems like a good choice.
Subpar Spatula
Banned
The comic fan jokes are nauseating. Y'all need to let up off the Internet for a bit.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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Carol Danvers is fucked up.
What if Nick Fury is the pepper to her salt in this buddy cop pairing and young Carol Danvers has got hot mess romance going on with a fresh Air Force dude named James Rhodes
"Goddammit Carol, you fucked up again."
It's the 90s, so an interracial coupling is very timely. Probably, I don't know.
Honestly, I don't know anything about Danvers other than 1) she's an alcoholic mess, 2) she had a thing with War Machine, and 3) she gave birth to her own arch-nemesis dad or some shit.
And she has a wicked costume
Pai Pai Master
Banned
Kang the Conquerer is a Fantastic Four character and thus can't be used in the MCU.
jobber
Would let Tony Parker sleep with his wife
Hmm. that's odd...why is Kang is in the new Lego game as the big boss if Marvel has this thing about not pushing properties they don't have the movie rights to.(see MvCI) He's also a thing in the current cartoon..a cartoon that went to great lengths to avoid using Dr. Doom in a super villain group.
Green Mamba
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I'm thinking Kang might turn out to be one of those dual use characters like the Maximoff twins and the Skrulls.
Tender Joe
Member
Can someone give me a Carol Danvers 'Best Of' reading list, please?
I'm only familiar with the Ultimate version of her character and want to get caught up.
I'm only familiar with the Ultimate version of her character and want to get caught up.
honestly you're better off just skipping comics Carol and reading Kamala Khan's Ms Marvel
the MCU version of Captain Marvel is essentially a new character using just the surface stuff from the comics (costume, powerset). Brie Larson, Nicole Perlman & Anna Boden will essentially create the character from scratch.
Kang going to do some time traveling.
I think there is a good chance Kang is dual owned since while it has been said that Kang is tied with Fantastic Four rights, he's been often thought of as primarily an Avengers villain. Marvel could have also negotiated for the rights with the trade that involved Ego and Negasonic, and likely seemed to have been involved with Fox getting access to X-Men television rights/co-production.
Let's be honest, Fox isn't going to do shit with most of the FF villains so they might as well get something for it. They'll hold on to Silver Surfer/Galactus/Doom, but Kang will sit on the shelf forever.
I think there is a good chance Kang is dual owned since while it has been said that Kang is tied with Fantastic Four rights, he's been often thought of as primarily an Avengers villain. Marvel could have also negotiated for the rights with the trade that involved Ego and Negasonic, and likely seemed to have been involved with Fox getting access to X-Men television rights/co-production.
Let's be honest, Fox isn't going to do shit with most of the FF villains so they might as well get something for it. They'll hold on to Silver Surfer/Galactus/Doom, but Kang will sit on the shelf forever.
Kelly Sue deConnicks Captain Marvel run and Brian Reeds Ms. Marvel are both very good.
Pai Pai Master
Banned
I fucking hope so. Some of the best MCU-possible stories are fucked because of Kang & Annihilus.
I guess we'll see but Marvel is getting over their bullshit policies for games at least. Future Fight now features the X-Men and I wouldn't be surprised if X-Men and Doom show up in MvCI DLC.
MagnaderAlpha
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Wait, Captain Marvel's going to be set in the 90s? Will there be a scene she goes into a coffee shop, orders one of those ridiculously LARGE coffee cups (the ones that look like large bowls with mug handles) while listening to some white dude with dreadlocks and in flannel on stage rhythmically spittin out a poem to a hip-hop beat?
I'm not saying I want Kang as a villain for these movies if I can't get my nigga Victor von Doom but uh............
That shit can happen today fuck you mean lol
That shit can happen today fuck you mean lol
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
You can read KSD's run. It's ok. There's nothing inherently bad about it but there's nothing really there that shows you why she's Marvel's "Greatest Female Superhero".
BKatastrophe
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I feel like that would be a better arc for her after she comes back from space.
Duane Cunningham
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I hope she uses a bunch of outdated 90's phrases like "cool beans" all the time.
It's filming in Cali, so there's a 100% chance of this being a scene
i have to imagine they threw out her alcoholism and rape on day 0
Pai Pai Master
Banned
Of course they did, and should have.
Carol needed the Iron Man treatment. Take her best features and apply them to an actor people already like and start fresh from zero. Carol Danvers in the MCU is a tough fighter pilot who punches aliens in the face with energy blasts, she's funny and she's optimistic and we'll get to see more of what she's really like when the movie hits.
Nothing else the comics have brought to the character over the years applies.
I grew up in the 90s. No one ever used that phrase unironically. In Canada, at least.
Ok, I think I deduced a way Marvel lawyers can have the rights to Kang:
Fox owns the time-traveller Nathaniel Richards who also can go by the alternate identities Rama-Tut, Scarlet Centurion, and Immortus
Marvel owns the time-traveller Kang the Conqueror (since he apparently he didn't first take the name of Kang until he was introduced in The Avengers) and all additional identities.
Maybe they share some identities but I think there is definitely a way they can sort of split the the character cleanly into what applies to the Fantastic Four and what applies to the Avengers, especially since with Kang there are a numerous number of alternate timelines with alternate timeline versions of Kang.
The precedent for a split like this in the films is Viper/Dr. Green in The Wolverine (with her toxins and ties to Silver Samurai) whose counterpart in the MCU is Ophelia/Madame Hydra in Agents of SHIELD with the Hydra ties. They mostly handled that by cleanly drawing a line through aspects of the character and simply not referring to the aspects their universe doesn't "own".
Also, we've seen how certain rights are delineated such as Marvel having rights to The Watchers as a race (or at least they share them) but don't have the right to Uatu (who is linked the the Fantastic Four) or how Marvel has rights to the Skrull and even can use Super-Skrull (from what I've heard in the past and that seems to be true from the concept art for Captain Marvel) but they don't have the right to The Super-Skrull, Kl'rt.
Fox owns the time-traveller Nathaniel Richards who also can go by the alternate identities Rama-Tut, Scarlet Centurion, and Immortus
Marvel owns the time-traveller Kang the Conqueror (since he apparently he didn't first take the name of Kang until he was introduced in The Avengers) and all additional identities.
Maybe they share some identities but I think there is definitely a way they can sort of split the the character cleanly into what applies to the Fantastic Four and what applies to the Avengers, especially since with Kang there are a numerous number of alternate timelines with alternate timeline versions of Kang.
The precedent for a split like this in the films is Viper/Dr. Green in The Wolverine (with her toxins and ties to Silver Samurai) whose counterpart in the MCU is Ophelia/Madame Hydra in Agents of SHIELD with the Hydra ties. They mostly handled that by cleanly drawing a line through aspects of the character and simply not referring to the aspects their universe doesn't "own".
Also, we've seen how certain rights are delineated such as Marvel having rights to The Watchers as a race (or at least they share them) but don't have the right to Uatu (who is linked the the Fantastic Four) or how Marvel has rights to the Skrull and even can use Super-Skrull (from what I've heard in the past and that seems to be true from the concept art for Captain Marvel) but they don't have the right to The Super-Skrull, Kl'rt.
Imperial Bishop
Banned
Is that really Slayven?
There is no "best of" when it comes to Carol Danvers
Good on you for reading the Ultimate universe stuff tho
BKatastrophe
Member
Couldn't imagine otherwise. The rape was never going to touch any media outside of that issue, and the alcoholism, while I think would be fine, wasn't going to come into play with a film where they're reinventing the character.
The Madame Hydra/Viper one doesn't work completely because Madame Hydra is a mantle assumed by more than just Viper.
hodayathink
Member
If we pretend that the movies and the TV shows are still in the same universe, Fury still to this day hasn't told them that Coulson is alive.
itwasTuesday
He wasn't alone.
I think I finally figured out why it takes place in the 90's.
After credits. Fox has seen the light.
After credits. Fox has seen the light.
now that you reminded me of this it's gonna bother me all fucking night