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GT IW: Marcus Beer strikes out at Jon Blow/Phil Fish over XB1 indie GI coverage
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As I read it, Fish clearly stated, that they should just wait until it isn't a rumour anymore (the tweet were he responsed to Blow). I don't think that is a wrong thing to do. And then, the day after he responded. Don't see an issue.
Phil Fish keeping it classy.
Meh, about what I expected.
Phil Fish keeping it classy.
Man, what an asshole. Fish sets a real good example for game devs around the industry.
SatelliteOfLove
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Constantly gives opinions about industry issues to the point of going on interviews completely unrelated to their games.
Gets pissed off when asked for their opinions about industry issues.
Gets pissed off when asked for their opinions about industry issues.
Well, I'm not surprised to see him join Marcus in the catfight.Phil Fish keeping it classy.
Could have kept quiet and been the better man though. Let Marcus have his little tantrum.
Phil Fish keeping it classy.
I probably would have reacted the same way. Fucking dbag "journalist"
Vulcano's assistant
Banned
Nice profile pic, but I hope he doesn't attempt to emulate Andy Kaufman. It was about being outrageous, but it takes humility.
CambriaRising
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Marcus Beer is about as much a journalist as my cat.
CheesecakeRecipe
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Phil Fish keeping it classy.
First two were alright, third one went a bit far even if it is Phil's brand of extreme sarcasm that comes off extremely poorly.
EdibleExplosives
Member
Phil Fish keeping it classy.
I didn't really expect anything else.
Sounds about right.
He's a media personality. Not the same as a journalist.
AHA-Lambda
Member
Seeing the original tweets in context yeah I don't think there is anything as bad as originally indicated, Marcus may have overshot this one, as much as I see his point.
On the other hand he is now vindicated, FFS Fish. yeah, I take back my stance on Fish before he is an arsehole.
He was right about that one though.
Phil Fish keeping it classy.
On the other hand he is now vindicated, FFS Fish. yeah, I take back my stance on Fish before he is an arsehole.
He was right about that one though.
Warm Machine
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I'd like to know how MS fucked Phil Fish over. Because he was 2 years late with the game, gave it a box art with a smiling marshmallow that turned off a huge chunk of XBLA customers, and it went on to sell shit as a result. Also didn't help that Phil Fish burnt down Japanese games igniting a hate fire for his game before it was even released. When it was then released with some game breaking issues, he squandered his first free patch not properly fixing it, and then he bitches about MS not picking up the bill so he can do a second.
Really, how is MS at fault at all? He just did not want to accept responsibility for his game and its release and instead deflected it to MS for no good reason.
If he was all about keeping it real indie style he could have released on Xbox Live Indie games as it was an XNA game. He would have controlled a lot more of the pricing, updates, and release date. Lets face it, he wanted dash, achievements, and a serious look in from media.
Then John Blow basically has no room to complain other than him being upset that he has to write TCRs for his games so people can enjoy them.
I don't see a legitimate complaint from either of them to do with Microsoft's policy.
I'd more likely listen to Klei and the lack of dash space afforded to Mark of the Ninja or the late dash space for Super Meat Boy.
Really, how is MS at fault at all? He just did not want to accept responsibility for his game and its release and instead deflected it to MS for no good reason.
If he was all about keeping it real indie style he could have released on Xbox Live Indie games as it was an XNA game. He would have controlled a lot more of the pricing, updates, and release date. Lets face it, he wanted dash, achievements, and a serious look in from media.
Then John Blow basically has no room to complain other than him being upset that he has to write TCRs for his games so people can enjoy them.
I don't see a legitimate complaint from either of them to do with Microsoft's policy.
I'd more likely listen to Klei and the lack of dash space afforded to Mark of the Ninja or the late dash space for Super Meat Boy.
funkystudent
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Blow seems reasonable here.
On the other side Fish and Beer are apparently having some kind of who is the bigger asshole contest.
On the other side Fish and Beer are apparently having some kind of who is the bigger asshole contest.
Ol No Bones
Banned
Jonathon blow seems like a serious dick to me. Not the kind of guy I would have a couple beers with.
You would seriously tell someone to kill themselves because of a GT video?
Really?
Seriously?
Cmon.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Reading the OP and tien the tweets in question I agree this is basically the way to sum up this overblown issue.
MarcusBeer
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Good morning!
Let me go thru a few things here, you will probably still disagree with me but I don't have a problem with that.
Firstly, this was nothing to do with a GT story. This was down to conversations with other members of the media. The Blow/Fish responses came up as we were talking about the Xbox reversal & what was going to be next for the XB180. I then looked around on twitter & saw the various tweets which got me a little irked.
Next, seeing Blow/Fish held up as paragons of 'putting the games media in its place' is pretty daft to me. These two worked the system they claim to hate like pros to promote Braid & Fez, including doing a movie. They got what they wanted, lots of coverage that translates into sales, raising profiles in the process so they become pretty much two of the heavyweights of the indie dev world. When that happens, people want your opinion on things, especially when they pertain to your sector of the industry & feature the the company you have been kinda slamming for a while. (Not that I have a problem with anyone slamming anyone for their practices if it is deserved) To then take offense at that & decry the media for 'bothering' them seems to me pretty silly at best, diva-esque at worst.
Had the media been reaching out to them about something stupid like 'Is Kanye going PS4 or XBOne' then I would applaud them for ignoring & calling out people.
They didn't though. They took pops at some guys in the media who are actually good at what they do, don't post 'controversy for the sake of it' & research the shit out of everything they do. These are the guys who are the proper journos & should not be slapped in with a lot of the idiots who use that term.
The ironic thing is that these two chaps will be back hawking their wares sooner or later. Using the system that they hate, getting ready to cash some checks. If they don't want to be quoted, bothered etc, then perhaps they should rock some consistency & stop spouting the controversial stuff over twitter? I think these gents know how to use the system in ways that suit them & people buy into it.
I do admit to two things: One, Blow is not a hipster. I was corrected on the show and accept that.
Two: If I called myself a journalist then that is pretty stupid. I am part of the games media, but I don't have skills to do what some of these folks do. I am an 'opinionist' I guess?
Let me go thru a few things here, you will probably still disagree with me but I don't have a problem with that.
Firstly, this was nothing to do with a GT story. This was down to conversations with other members of the media. The Blow/Fish responses came up as we were talking about the Xbox reversal & what was going to be next for the XB180. I then looked around on twitter & saw the various tweets which got me a little irked.
Next, seeing Blow/Fish held up as paragons of 'putting the games media in its place' is pretty daft to me. These two worked the system they claim to hate like pros to promote Braid & Fez, including doing a movie. They got what they wanted, lots of coverage that translates into sales, raising profiles in the process so they become pretty much two of the heavyweights of the indie dev world. When that happens, people want your opinion on things, especially when they pertain to your sector of the industry & feature the the company you have been kinda slamming for a while. (Not that I have a problem with anyone slamming anyone for their practices if it is deserved) To then take offense at that & decry the media for 'bothering' them seems to me pretty silly at best, diva-esque at worst.
Had the media been reaching out to them about something stupid like 'Is Kanye going PS4 or XBOne' then I would applaud them for ignoring & calling out people.
They didn't though. They took pops at some guys in the media who are actually good at what they do, don't post 'controversy for the sake of it' & research the shit out of everything they do. These are the guys who are the proper journos & should not be slapped in with a lot of the idiots who use that term.
The ironic thing is that these two chaps will be back hawking their wares sooner or later. Using the system that they hate, getting ready to cash some checks. If they don't want to be quoted, bothered etc, then perhaps they should rock some consistency & stop spouting the controversial stuff over twitter? I think these gents know how to use the system in ways that suit them & people buy into it.
I do admit to two things: One, Blow is not a hipster. I was corrected on the show and accept that.
Two: If I called myself a journalist then that is pretty stupid. I am part of the games media, but I don't have skills to do what some of these folks do. I am an 'opinionist' I guess?
AHA-Lambda
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Now he is demanding a public apology/looking into libel charges, sorry no idea how to quote tweets as images.
https://twitter.com/PHIL_FISH/status/361167904307290112
https://twitter.com/PHIL_FISH/status/361168218766839808
Fish is a complete cunt.
EDIT: oh wow Marcus is a member :O
https://twitter.com/PHIL_FISH/status/361167904307290112
https://twitter.com/PHIL_FISH/status/361168218766839808
Fish is a complete cunt.
EDIT: oh wow Marcus is a member :O
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Which is why the issue is overblown and the "journo" in question did not do himself a favor by attacking them.
Oh man, you really think this is going to stop idiots using the 'Games Journalism' card to shoot down your arguments. If only.
Trust me, a ton of people are going to ignore this part of the post.
See?
Please for the love of god, do not apologize.
Whoa looking through Fish's last load of tweets, this guy is fucking nuts. Public apology my ass tell that guy to go fuck himself.
Why don't you give people more than two minutes to read his post before you start jumping on your soapbox and picking out quotes?
Why don't you give people more than two minutes to read his post before you start jumping on your soapbox and picking out quotes?
MotionBlue
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Grown men acting like spoiled children.
phosphor112
Banned
I don't feel bad for GI or Beer at all. They're just fishing for hits.
What did Blow do? He did nothing. People just keep bugging him. Fish is the one that goes crazy calling people names.
What did Blow do? He did nothing. People just keep bugging him. Fish is the one that goes crazy calling people names.
FairXchange
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I feel like Jonathan Blow deserved no bashing whatsoever, and both those men didn't want to comment on another MS story after having bad relations with them in the past.
Edit: I like Marcus' opinions on many things, I just think Blow got placed in this for the wrong reasons and vitriol isn't always the best way to create dialogue.
Edit: I like Marcus' opinions on many things, I just think Blow got placed in this for the wrong reasons and vitriol isn't always the best way to create dialogue.
Reading through his tweets, dude seems pretty mad. Is he seriously getting a lawyer to look into libel? lol, he couldn't be more pretentious. Fez isn't gods gift to gaming, bro.
Haunted
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We agree on something for once, funkystudent.
Brewster's Wallet
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I like Phil Fish and Jonathan Blow. A couple of the minuscule amount of developers who don't do all this PR bullshit talk.
Don't do any apology marcus,your just doing what you do and well it is pretty fun to see.
What's with the insults and attacks on FEZ2/The Witness then?
Brewster's Wallet
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Not sure if you mean GAF or Beer here?
Probably a little of a, a lot of b. Both should apologize for antagonizing each other though.
The Witless, tosspots, kill yourself (poor Bender quote), Not a proud showing by either.
freenudemacusers
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Him attacking back at Marcus on twitter will ruin any chances he has of using his lawyer to go after Marcus.
AHA-Lambda
Member
How is this going to work when he wants to sue Marcus for libel again?
turnbuckle
Member
that's my take on it as well, independent of how I feel about blow fish
CambriaRising
Member
No, he seriously is that big of an idiot.
Winterfang
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The kill yourself part is just a Futurama quote. Though he chose a bad time to use it.
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