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Lucasfilm hired acting coach for Han Solo star's performance
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To be fair, the article puts that blame on Lord and Miller and not on Ehrenreichs acting capabilities.
George Oscar Bluth II
Banned
...What?
Sgt. Kabukiman
Banned
I can't see DuVernay and Edgar Wright fitting into this structure you're describing at all. But Johnston is the perfect example. Directors like him remind me of the western directors of old. That's the kind of people Lucasfilm should be pursuing. There's no use hiring the new hot wunderkind if it's going to lead to disaster half the time.
There's a very interesting detail regarding cameras and placement. Lucasfilm wanted at least 12 cameras and positions for every take but the Miller and Lord were using only two. That's weird. Having 12 cameras allows for more editing options. The only reason to limit the cameras s to prevent the studio from imposing their vision in the editing process. That's a very aggressive move for a directing duo managing a franchise that's worth over a billion dollars.
In other words, I would have fired them as well for using 2 cameras instead of 12.
In other words, I would have fired them as well for using 2 cameras instead of 12.
fallengorn
Bitches love smiley faces
Nice.
Nah they can keep doing this as long as they like. There is no clause that says I have to watch every movie they put out if I don't find it interesting.
This initiative imo has helped expand the brand if anything.
Just because someone is easier to work with doesn't mean they'll make a better film. It's usually the opposite.
Ether_Snake
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Why would they NOT applause?
The boss has a meeting with the crew, announces the new director, you think people will just sit there with crickets chirping? In any work environment people will applaud.
This won't change the fact that this movie is a dumb idea, no one can do Han Solo, period. This is a cash grab because they don't want to do something entirely new, like that dumb Obi-Wan movie.
The boss has a meeting with the crew, announces the new director, you think people will just sit there with crickets chirping? In any work environment people will applaud.
This won't change the fact that this movie is a dumb idea, no one can do Han Solo, period. This is a cash grab because they don't want to do something entirely new, like that dumb Obi-Wan movie.
This is my feeling as well. Harrison Ford is han solo.
Doug Heffernan
Member
Not a good sign, but yeah, keep cashing in on that nostalgia Disney!
Bobby Roberts
Banned
DuVernay's already worked somewhat within it (helped on TFA) and is currently doing Wrinkle in Time for Disney. She's already in the fold and knows how to work with the production apparatus.
You could swap out Wright if you don't like for someone like Rachel Talalay. Or Neil Marshall.
12 cameras sounds like an absolute nightmare to keep track of on set, honestly. There's giving yourself enough options to play around in the editing room, and having so many you're only distracting yourself from the fundamentals of the scenes in editing.
Exactly. 100% agreed. I've been arguing this for years. What is Kevin Feige? He's a blockbuster show runner on the biggest show in the world.
Yes, it's a reversal of the 70's auteur movement, but it works and works well.
22 Jump Street is an awful film. First one is quite funny.
I'm undecided on the Lego Movie. Felt like a never ending seizure a lot of the time but the story angle was neat.
Always felt "this is a cash grab" was a weird complaint when it came to studios greenlighting certain blockbusters films.
All blockbusters are supposed to make as much money as possible. They're all cash grabs. That's sort of the nature of a corporate industry.
with this amount of money, no one cares about how hard it is to track just hire more people.
It really does irk me that he's still alive and able bodied and Disney is just WASTING day after day of not cramming him into as many movies as possible. He's the best thing about the prequel trilogy that isn't dead or written off during a timeline that'd allow for a side story. I guess they have the cartoons and all that but still.
There better be some sort of master plan with all this that ties into Episode IX or something.
Hire more people to do what? Direct the film?
The damage control for this production is incredible. People will clap out of professional respect and to not get shitcanned themselves. The whole thing falls on Kathleen Kennedy. It seems like the problems get dramatically worst with each production (barring Episode 8 ... but since Kathleen Kennedy sat through Celebration this year with an incredible poker face while the Han Solo stuff was going on behind the scenes, who knows?)
At the risk of angering the various fans who are oddly invested in 'how the sausage is made' over at Marvel I agree whole heartedly.
For what it's worth I actually really like the way you've worded that.
To solve any inconvenience brought upon by the demands of the studio. Studio is boss, they are putting up a lot of money, if you need help tracking the cameras, hire a second unit director to sit right there next to you. Who cares.
These guys basically told "the money" to take a hike and "the money" said ciao.
Miles Quaritch
Member
This shit had better be worth the delay to Atlanta.
VeryGooster
Banned
I kind of feel this way too if only because, well, they can't let it not be, but holy cow at this mess.
IlGialloMondadori
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Yeah, that's true. I should have been more clear. It's definitely on Lord and Miller's direction.
Shadowhelper
Banned
It's not that weird. Many of the top directors don't shoot any coverage. It can be the mark of a great director actually. But yeah most directors shoot with tons of more angels especially the ones that don't know what they want. But if you do know what you want, there's no real reason to shoot with many angels.
DoctorFling
Member
Obi-Wan is my favourite SW character and I would have zero interest in a spin-off. He's gotten to be in multiple films, TV shows and comics he's far more overexposed than Han Solo. Gimme new characters moving the story along, not "this is how Old Ben learned the krayt dragon call: the motion picture".
Sorry if I'm being a grumpy old man but I'm irked as heck
I don't want good looking douches in decent franchises, look at what happened to Prometheus. Let's keep these idiots locked to romantic comedies and young adult films.
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A cash grab means not putting in actual effort. Not difficult to understand. Would you expect your favorite musician to just pump out albums as much as possible to make as much money while they're popular, over taking their time to put their creative energy to work on something they actually feel more passionate about?
This tendency to look at everything as sales numbers is really getting to people's heads. They should put their money in the stock market then.
I have a feeling that he was underperforming and felt that the demands were too great on him resulting in hyperbole.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
It's pretty cynical, though. It also tends to ignore the impetus behind the first chapter of the thing we're talking about being made, as well - since most popular entertainments aren't made out of the love and concern for storytelling as the primary factor.
But a large, large percentage of even the shittiest movies you ever saw were made by people who were trying really hard to make a good one.
Movies don't turn out bad because the people making them don't give a fuck, for the most part. They turn out bad for any number of reasons - mostly that making movies is really fucking hard.
There are bad movies where their quality can be sourced back to a writer/director/producer who shrugs and says "fuck it, cash the check, it doesn't matter." That does happen. It's why the term "hack" came about. That's what a hack is - someone who does the work as perfunctorily as possible to secure the check, and doesn't care about the quality or reception of their work. That's a hack.
But a lot of the denigrating use of "cash grab" sources back to a weird misunderstanding of why your favorite popular big-budget intended-to-be-blockbuster entertainments are made in the first place, and it's not due to the overwhelming passion of the arts. It's due to commerce.
Art can spring out of commerce. And people can work hard to make that art as meaningful as possible even within that commercial framework.
But that doesn't mean the shit wasn't, primarily, a "cash grab."
And it doesn't mean that bad movies in that system are bad because nobody gives a fuck, either.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
Are you talking about Alden? He's one of the more promising young actors in the game right now. He didn't just fall off the Central Casting truck yesterday.
I don't even know what the Prometheus comment means either cause Logan Marshall Green is a spectacular actor too. Not sure who else in the cast you're referring to.
In this case they should because the studio wanted it that way. The studio wants to be able to choose it's edit. They should have appeased the studio. If they wanted to make their own movie, don't do star wars. The same thing would have happened with Marvel or WB.
Psychoward
Banned
how about you just don't make a han solo movie without harrison ford?
Psychoward
Banned
..what happened to Prometheus? Logan Marshall Green is great, Fassbender almost salvaged the movie, Idris Elba and Charlize Theron were shit but that was because of the script.
Prometheus' problems had nothing to do with the actors and everything to do with a god awful script.
George Oscar Bluth II
Banned
Eeehhhhh.
I suppose this is a good way of having the quality of blockbusters be more consistent(ly shit/mediocre/good) but going back to that system rubs me the wrong way. It works for Marvel but I don't want it spreading everywhere.
...Right.
You don't know what you're talking about.
What a silly thing to say.
If they weren't putting any "actual effort" into this film, Lucasfilm wouldn't have fired the original directors because they were concerned about perceived issues with the quality of the film and the direction that it was taking. If they weren't putting any of energy into it, wouldn't it have simply have been easier for them just to let Lord and Miller finish the film after three more weeks, as opposed to stopping production and finding another respected director to take over? In addition, why would they have got the main star an acting coach if they weren't willing to put some effort into improving things?
Bobby Roberts
Banned
It's too late, though.
I'd say Obi being a mostly absent side-character in the original trilogy, versus being a much bigger character in the prequels.
Also, Jedi vs. douchbag.
You guys are misinterpreting this. It's not 12 cameras, it's 12 setups. A setup is just that, meaning the camera and lighting is setup for one specific angle. When you change angles, you have to move the camera, move the lights, fly in or out parts of the set, etc., and set it all up again.
The article says they were only shooting 3 setups in a single day, rather than the 12-15 expected.
Sgt. Kabukiman
Banned
Right, I forgot about DuVernay and Force Awakens. Neil Marshall could be a good fit. As another poster pointed out, it is kinda weird seeing this reversal of the 70s auteur movement though. But I guess it's been a long time coming. And it's probably cyclical.
Well, Alec's dead. Ewan as Obi-Wan was a beloved character in a morass of mediocrity for three movies. He's still alive and still able to sword fight and still looks (or could look) reasonably like he did for the prequels. We could have him in a prequel-type side story and give him a better script to work with if Disney wanted it to happen. The character could really shine. And we're burning daylight because my man isn't getting any younger.