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Pokemon UltraSun/UltraMoon trailer (10/12): New Z-Moves and Rotom Dex features
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We had a break in 2015...
Friend safari is a godsend because I can easily prepare smeargle egg move parents with it.
That's not the point of Friend Safari, and to this day I still use all my Friend Safaris.
They're also great for easy shiny hunting and breeding projects and have easy availability of Hidden Abilities. I have like over 100 Friend Safaris over two 3DSes, so go figure.
XY has a great post game, for people in the competitive or breeding/trading meta.
What's quite apparent is that Gamefreak cares more for those meta communities than single player only players.
ArchedThunder
Banned
And we very well might not get one next year.
That's why I am pretty interested, because this game is set up to be exactly that. UBs are one of the most interesting things in the series history but they were tacked on in S/M as whatever post game "legendaries". This at least has a very strong possibility of being rectified by the sequels.
That's totes fair. If the game fails to deliver I think they deserve the flak they (will) get, but direct sequels like this tend to be pretty heavy on post-game content so I am not as worried as I would otherwise be. ORAS endgame was fairly disappointing to be sure, but it's also a pretty big outlier and a remake rather than a direct sequel.
We will
I think he means that we might not get a game next year, which I agree with.
GF/TPCi don't know if they can make it to 2018, and that's telling for me already. I'd rather have them take their time too. There's no need to rush
You don't need to feel bad for not liking battle facilities. Though, did you like the PWT? That's like the most casual-friendly battle facility ever. I was able to beat everything up to and including the Champion's Tourney with just my in-game team. It was tough,but considering you only need to win 3 battles retrying isn't a nightmare like when you're deep into a battle frontier streak.
Also when people say they want more post-game content they're not just talking about a battle frontier (though that's probably the #1 nowadays), there's also stuff like new areas, post-game story threads, legendary hunting, and superbosses. The gen 6 games only have a small extra story attached at the end and a battle tower equivalent. Oh, and XY didn't even have an E4 rematch lmao. SM was a little better, tying the post-game story into Champion-level bosses and 'legendary" hunting, along with one new area.
Compare that to BW2 though and it's clear why people are disappointed. BW2 had like a quarter of the map open up in the postgame, legendaries all over, let you see what happened to N/Ghetsis/Colress, the Black Tower/White Treehollow which was enormous, the PWT, and a fuckton of superbosses.
To be fair to XY/ORAS/SM, none of these were 3rd versions which tend to be the most content heavy games. But USUM is, so its natural that people will hold its postgame content to a high standard.
This is a weird thing to post considering we just had one prior to SM and will likely have another after USUM.
Yeah I was saying we'll get a break next year
Y'all heard it here first
But yeah, I don't expect a mainline Pokémon Switch title to be ready quicker than 2019 considering how recently it was announced that they were working on one.
MegaManTrigger
Banned
No, it's not just battle facilities because that's just one part of it. It's also the length of the postgame where XY and ORAS lasted at least 1hr vs, B2W2, Emerald, Platinum etc., lasting you longer than that.
The Shadow Knight
Member
ORAS had the very lengthy legendary hunts and soaring islands, so it at least gave you a reason to go back to it regularly. Even after Delta Episode (which was significantly better than the Looker episode which ultimately amounted to nothing) there was stuff to draw you back to it that you couldn't do before.
Not denying that B2W2 are the undisputed kings here, though.
WrenchNinja
Member
The legendary hunts in ORAS are bad. A lot are just random time of day on random island in the middle of nowhere with no real clues at all. The locations aren't even themed around the Pokémon, some have a name that evokes the Pokémon (like Cresselia and Heatran) but they're all featured on just boring templates and transport you into the same stupid pink cloud dimension.
And might I add, throwing in these Hoopa rings without actually putting any lore about Hoopa in the game is really dumb.
Compare this to B2W2 where they actually tried to incorporate the legendaries into the region. Going through the abandoned house for the lunar wing and taking it to the bridge was more compelling than anything in ORAS. It's like the the hunts were thrown in a half-assed manner to go along with the pointless soaring mechanic. Like the only legendary they tried to justify in ORAS was Regigigas.
And might I add, throwing in these Hoopa rings without actually putting any lore about Hoopa in the game is really dumb.
Compare this to B2W2 where they actually tried to incorporate the legendaries into the region. Going through the abandoned house for the lunar wing and taking it to the bridge was more compelling than anything in ORAS. It's like the the hunts were thrown in a half-assed manner to go along with the pointless soaring mechanic. Like the only legendary they tried to justify in ORAS was Regigigas.
Sun/Moon does the same thing, only better.
OfficerRaichu15
Member
This is my criticism as well with this. Having a bunch of legendaries to catch is cool yes, but maybe a little story or context for them(like a side quest involving characters possibly old and new). I didnt feel the legendaries were rewards for effort but just there.
B2W2 has several battle facilities, several new areas to explore, with many additional trainer battles, almost all of which have rematches. In addition, they have other fun features like Pokemon Musicals*, Pokestar Studios, and an achievement system.
*ok yeah no one likes pokemon musicals
Don't forget the added difficulties.
Even after finishing the story there were a bit of battles that needed to be taken care of, upping the difficulty made sure that you would suffer for a bit at first, but I would lie if I sad this wasn't one of my most beloved moments in my "Pokémon careero"
Yeah but Platinum and HGSS have all that and more (Battle Frontier, minigames people actually like such as contests and pokeathlon, more post game areas)
pock3tmonster
Banned
I hope this system makes a return. I was disappointed that it was moved to an external website with X/Y.
MegaManTrigger
Banned
You could say that about any Pokemon Game from Gen 2-onwards. There were legendaries available to be caught, and extra land to explore. It's not unique to ORAS. Delta Episode was pretty bad though in terms of it being fetch quest and "go talk to x before you do y." Didn't feel substantial, and don't get me started on the nonsense that's Zinnia...
It still baffles me that people still cling to these patterns as absolutes.
Yup we're definitely going to see a Z version before gen 7. No way that the February 2016 Pokemon direct could be about Sun and Moon.
Not a chance they'd ever announce new Pokemon mid gen. New Pokemon = new gen!
Face it, with how the switch is going and how GF have been doing whatever they want, saying that anything absolutely will or will not happen is foolish.
Yup we're definitely going to see a Z version before gen 7. No way that the February 2016 Pokemon direct could be about Sun and Moon.
Not a chance they'd ever announce new Pokemon mid gen. New Pokemon = new gen!
Face it, with how the switch is going and how GF have been doing whatever they want, saying that anything absolutely will or will not happen is foolish.
MegaManTrigger
Banned
The fact is XY wasn't polished and could've benefitted from having a Z, and going to Sun and Moon that quickly shafted the generation as a whole. Which is precisely what ended up happening. The whole Zygarde nonsense in Gen VII was weird and GF opted to rush out a new generation bc of the anniversary year.
Just bc GF can do whatever they want, doesn't mean it's a smart idea.
That's not my point.
They did the not smart idea and still made a lot of money. We can't as easily predict what they're going to do anymore for a variety of reasons.
Does a single new city count as extra land? Because that's the only new place in X and Y's post-game.
Oh, and 3 legendaries. Two of which are basically just sitting a the entrance of caves.
dreamlongdead
Member
I finally watched this trailer. Still not interested one bit.
I had a really good time with Pokemon Sun, but I haven't touched it since January. There's still so much that I haven't done in that game, but I wanted to play other games before I eventually returned to it. Nintendo knows that millions of people will buy Ultra Sun/Moon, and most of you will probably end up enjoying it anyway.
I know it's business, but this re-release practice just doesn't sit well with me these days.
I had a really good time with Pokemon Sun, but I haven't touched it since January. There's still so much that I haven't done in that game, but I wanted to play other games before I eventually returned to it. Nintendo knows that millions of people will buy Ultra Sun/Moon, and most of you will probably end up enjoying it anyway.
I know it's business, but this re-release practice just doesn't sit well with me these days.
Pokemon ORAS introduced 20 new Mega Evolutions, despite them not being compatible with XY. As such, I can see USUM introducing something similar. Perhaps a mix of new UBs, new normal Pokemon, new Alolan forms, and perhaps a new mythical Pokemon to be given away in next year's Pokemon movie.
Hopefully, we'll get something more exciting in the next trailer. I'm sick of seeing new Z moves.
By the way, does anyone remember that one NPC who talked about having a Dream Park (nod to Jurassic Park) full of fossil Pokemon? I wonder if anything will come out of it...
Hopefully, we'll get something more exciting in the next trailer. I'm sick of seeing new Z moves.
By the way, does anyone remember that one NPC who talked about having a Dream Park (nod to Jurassic Park) full of fossil Pokemon? I wonder if anything will come out of it...
Puzzle dungeons feel like they've vanished. They only seem to throw lots of legendarys around random locations
lvl99 Pixel
Member
yeah its a shame, puzzle dungeons and gyms are something that could have been improved on before they dumped them.
re:legendaries, it feels like 1/3 of the sun and moon cast is legendary,mythical or event only, and USUM seems to be adding to that with more legendaries and another event only variant.
Did people really prefer Trials or was it more because its something different? searching for items in grass trial and fight 3 dragons trial were kind of mindless, which leaves 3 that were kind of interesting
I need this for the potentially orchestrated music
NipplesAndToes23
Member
Good. Hard for me to be excited when I don't have a 3DS though.
We got Super Mystery Dungeon in 2015. I actually hope we get a SMD game for the Switch sometime soon, or maybe a triumphant return of Pokemon rangers!
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
I honestly had more fill doing friend safari than any of ORAS and SM's.
