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Earthquake in Japan Magnitude 9.0 (Japan ups nuke crisis to lvl7)
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RustyNails
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Uh oh. This is Chernobyl level now. Shit can go really bad. Japan, I know you can do this.
ClassyPenguin
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If this is on the level of Chernobyl, then they need a better measurement. Something that won't cause confusion.
threenote said:
You can't, really. They'll probably just end up closing the plant, building a sarcophagus around the building, and creating a no-man's land at a 5-mile radius around the building. Right now they're trying to save the plant and reverse the damage, but honestly, I think just boxing the damn thing up once they make sure it won't explode would be for the best.
RustyNails
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In their defense, to this day I got all my Japan related news from NPR and the threat described was constantly heightened and barely under control. My impression was that the situation was really bad at all time and the authorities were struggling with keeping it in check, with a few ups and downs in the process.Garcia said:
Shouta
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I think you guys need to remember that the scale they built for this kind of nuclear disaster was never built around Chernobyl as the highest tier. It just happens to be and anything put on the same level looks like it's as big of a disaster even if it may not be.
So as someone said, this scale needs to be remade to properly measure what could happen.
So as someone said, this scale needs to be remade to properly measure what could happen.
ahoyhoy said:
What? They gave up on that like two weeks ago.
The incident may cause huge problems for Japan, but as far as the effects on other foreign countries is minimum so far. The fact is, the closest countries to Japan, China, S. Korea, USA, Russia, all equipped with the best radiation detectors on earth are monitoring the situation around the clock, and so far they only find trace amount of radiation in the air or water, and all are several orders lower than the background radiation.
Bam Bam Baklava
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They should just make Chernobyl a level in itself so there's no confusion.
cosmicblizzard
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Shouta said:
So let's say the scale was remade up to 10. If Chernobyl was 10, where would this be? Still 7? 8?
jamesinclair
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doitlive said:
Exactly what Im thinking.
Just make it a 10 point scale, leave Japan at 7, and move Chernobyl to 10.
Kyuuketsu_Night
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It must be really annoying driving or being on a train when these quakes happen. Man, glad to be in south right about now.
The scale is fine. You just need to keep in mind what the scale is of: the required counter-measures to secure the plant and the local environment, then to return it to a pre-disaster state. Fukushima is absolutely on par with Chernobyl when you look at it that way.
Blackace said:
That's when they officially announced they are not gonna reopen reactor 5 and 6, which have been properly cooled. IIRC, the hope of salvaging the reactors faded away the moment they pumped sea water in them, that's less than 1 week after the disaster.
Sage00 said:
On par of what exactly. No foreign country has seen any increase of radiation more than several orders lower of background level.
Dreams-Visions
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Wow.
No words. Best of luck to all in Japan.
No words. Best of luck to all in Japan.
Shouta
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cosmicblizzard said:
Probably 5-6 in terms of damage and fallout, I think. There's certainly radiation but most of it is within that 20 km area for the most part and the amount still isn't as deadly as it could possibly be.
Also, yes another quake just occurred here and I could feel it meaning it was pretty powerful.
gray_fox224
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another aftershock?????????????????????????
Regulus Tera
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Goddammit guys, stay safe.
gray_fox224
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You're in Japan right? Stay safe. I just returned from Takamatsu.Blackace said:
So, um, I read that they put that nuke plant on level 7, on par with Chernobyl. @_@
Have things deteriorated THAT drastically? If so, then this is really unsettling news. I thought things were getting better over there [edit]: (or maybe the nuke news just hasn't been as dominant of a headline over here as it was when the crisis began)
Have things deteriorated THAT drastically? If so, then this is really unsettling news. I thought things were getting better over there [edit]: (or maybe the nuke news just hasn't been as dominant of a headline over here as it was when the crisis began)
Garcia
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Finaika said:
It's pretty normal, and according to geologists they could go on for months or years even.
Taking the 8.8 Chile earthquake as a reference:
Did you read what I said? Levels 6 and 7 are about the response required to stop the situation, not the radiation level released (which is covered after level 5-6).luoapp said:
Radioactive water is still leaking into the sea and there are still constant fire trucks almost 24/7 pouring water into the reactors. They've had to evacuate everyone within a 30km radius. That water needs to be moved into storage constantly. The radiation tolerance level had to be raised to allow workers to continue working. They may need to eventually tomb the reactors up with concrete to end the situation once and for all.
That response is almost exactly the same as that required by Chernobyl. The actual amount of radiation released is irrelevant(after that becomes 'a siginificant amount for the local environment', the scale doesn't give a shit anymore and rightly so), what is relevant is what is required to get it under control.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Nuclear_Event_Scale#Details-COOLIO- said:
The scale measures three things: Off-site effects (Wider environment), On-site effect (Radiation level at the plant) and Defence in depth (Measures to get the situation under control).
They're all rated 1-7 in severity, and whichever of the 3 is the highest become the official level of the incident.
Fukushima's problem is that it's been a month and it's still not anywhere near under control. The defence in depth is a 7, and therefore the incident is a 7.
the_log_ride
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Can any of the regular, knowledgeable posters in this thread direct me to the best source for news regarding the latest from Japan?
Just from readin the last couple of pages, I understand the threat level has been raised to 7. If you were planning a trip to Osaka with this knowledge, would it make you cancel your plans?
Just from readin the last couple of pages, I understand the threat level has been raised to 7. If you were planning a trip to Osaka with this knowledge, would it make you cancel your plans?
The situation has not changed and Osaka is fine(always was). The Kyodo news agency have the most up to date news: http://english.kyodonews.jp/the_log_ride said:
the_log_ride
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Thanks, Sage00. I'll be reading this thoroughly. My wife is travelling to Osaka to pay respects to her Grandpa, who just recently passed away. I'm sure Osaka is well beyond the exclusion zone, but you'll understand my worry.
Synth_floyd
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Them changing the scale to 7 doesn't mean anything. Geez. It's like your teacher re-grading a paper you got and changing it from a B to an A, it's still the same paper but just got a different grade. They're not saying more radiation is spilling out than before or anything like that, they're just saying "let's change the arbitrary ranking of how bad the disaster is." And yes, 7 is the same level as Chernobyl but this is nowhere near as bad as that.
perfectchaos007
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Do you think the Japanese govt. was downplaying the severity of the nuclear crisis to keep Japan "running" and the people relatively "calm"? Well that bubble had to burst sooner or later. They have a real crisis at hand.
Shirokun said:
最後の方で、畑を逃げている人たちは全員助かっています。
So as the description says, all the people seen in the farmland were rescued.
Blackace
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perfectchaos007 said:
No I don't think the Governmemt was doing that in the slightest. I think TEPCO was doing so at first.. They might be trying to keep the people well outside of the fallout calm and having the country run as normal because they need that..
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