Nostremitus
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Is it "exclusive" exclusive or console exclusive?
Tomb Raider Reboot is amazing on PC.
Tomb Raider Reboot is amazing on PC.
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Square Enix CEO on Rise of the Tomb Raider exclusivity: It wasn't an easy decision
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Depends on how much cash is offered to them. They'll probably raise the price.
Prototype Viktor
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It wasn't easy. But then he pulled out a calculator to find out how many zero's in the MS check
Nappuccino
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I'm guessing it went like this.
SquareEnix: We have no money.
Microsoft: We have lots of money.
SquareEnix: Great! We'll take it!
SquareEnix: We have no money.
Microsoft: We have lots of money.
SquareEnix: Great! We'll take it!
The Artisan
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no, it is different, because like I said, haze was a new IP. tomb raider has been around, and has been multiplatform, for over 20 years. again, i am not against 3rd party exclusives, but rotr's case of exclusivity isn't one that has merit in my opinion.
what do you mean? it's true, he said it
thank you. and here
ArchedThunder
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Early 2016 for PC and late 2016 for PS4.
StrongBlackVine
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Neither. It coming PC early 2016 and PS4 Holiday 2016.
As a huge Uncharted fan I thought it took all the best parts of that franchise and did it even better. Can't wait to get new entries to both games!
kinoki
Illness is the doctor to whom we pay most heed; to kindness, to knowledge, we make promise only; pain we obey.
If anyone believes that Square Enix believed this was the strategic right thing to do with the IP instead of just accepting a truck of money and compensation...
Money helps people think about decisions.
Money helps people think about decisions.
Solidsoul
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This honestly seems really heartfelt and honest to me. I do not sense the regret or backtracking everyone is talking about here.
People love negativity.
Exclusivity sucks but it's a business decision and if working with Microsoft made the game better or financially easier for the company it was worth it.
People love negativity.
Exclusivity sucks but it's a business decision and if working with Microsoft made the game better or financially easier for the company it was worth it.
NobleGundam
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Looks at pile of money from Sony.
Looks at larger pile of money from MS.
Must of been pretty hard.
Looks at larger pile of money from MS.
Must of been pretty hard.
Hilarious it has nothing to do with making the game better. The reason Square likes the deal is because they want to be profitable quicker than the previous Tomb Raider which struggled to be profitable even after millions of copies were sold.
Mikey Jr.
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Well, what can I say.
I suppose it was the right decision at the time. Uncharted 4 was supposed to come out this holiday, and TR vs UC4? TR would have been slaughtered on PS4. No question. So they thought "Fuck it, we'll release on Xbone first, get some of that sweet MS cash, and avoid UC4 altogether."
Except UC4 moved and now TR is releasing on the same day as Fallout 4.
Good luck with that.
I suppose it was the right decision at the time. Uncharted 4 was supposed to come out this holiday, and TR vs UC4? TR would have been slaughtered on PS4. No question. So they thought "Fuck it, we'll release on Xbone first, get some of that sweet MS cash, and avoid UC4 altogether."
Except UC4 moved and now TR is releasing on the same day as Fallout 4.
Good luck with that.
I had no idea that game had any hype behind it. When I first got my PS3 I just picked it up on a whim to try out without knowing anything about it.
Was not a great game by any measure
StrongBlackVine
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Big pile now or bigger pile later with some extra risk involved.
They took the easy way out.
Prototype Viktor
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Also since the PS4 version will be a year late. How long do you think they'll sit on that finished version? 4-7+months? Doubt they aren't still making all 3 at once unless they are bad at management.
Except that they just sold out to Sony on another exclusive deal? They clearly aren't all that worried about backlash.
It depends on what state the TR franchise is in a year from now, I'd imagine. They'll probably go about announcing any deals differently though.
Honestly I kinda get the answer, the "they showcase it side by side with Halo and Gears" part especially, that's really interesting take, sounds like they want taking gamble with one of their title with that kind of push from MS?
From business standpoint, why not?
For other multi-plat, they got Just Cause 3, Hitman and Deus Ex ready on there own. For one title let see what happened with MS help.
From business standpoint, why not?
For other multi-plat, they got Just Cause 3, Hitman and Deus Ex ready on there own. For one title let see what happened with MS help.
The Artisan
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alright, fair enough. i've been playing through the game, it's the first tr game i've played and i'll say it's pretty good, but not great so far. but it is, really good.
what if the xbone version sells really well though? and the purpose of timed exclusivity, meaning comparatively lower sales of the Ps4 version, also happens?
also, I don't think SE fully realizes or recognizes the backlash that the announcement caused.
with the company that has more money?
was this supposed to be sarcastic or something?
I don't think that Rogers' comments are particularly worth paying attention to since they're just PR to mollify non-Xbone gamers. However, I also don't doubt that this was a very difficult decision for Square Enix. Heck, given how Square Enix is firmly attaching themselves to the PS4 wagon, I think that this is one that they would like to take back.
It was competing against Uncharted 4, but Sony winded up pushing it back to Spring of next year.
This game is going to most likely get buried deep by Halo 5 along with big 3rd party AAA hitters like Fallout 4, COD: Black Ops III, & Star Wars Battlefront (unless Microsoft bundles the game with the console).
sturgboski
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Yeah, someone correct me if I am wrong, but didnt it take until the Definitive Editions for the last Tomb Raider to be qualified as a success for SE. Even still, didnt last gen AND the current gen versions favor the Sony consoles?
I dont know. I mean, you have series like Danganronpa that have grown their IP on the Vita, so a niche game on a niche system. I just dont think an IP as huge and storied as Tomb Raider can go that route to grow the IP. You would think if you were to be on only one console it would be the one leading in sales, but really you should launch on all. This and some of EA's backtracking from the launch makes me think everyone expected Microsoft to be the market leader. *shrugs*
The Artisan
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you think the reaction would be worse? i don't think the sf5 situation is the same though. as i understand it, sony is helping to fund development, and capcom or whoever has adamantly stated nothing out of sf5 will ever go to any other platform.
I think they're realizing now how bad it's going to hurt their sales and possible the franchise in the future. If it was coming out this year for the PS4, I'd probably fall into the hype with everyone else and pick it up. But, a year old game that will probably release at full price? Yeah, I'm not going to buy it when there will be a ton of new games next Christmas I could pick up.
I mean, the game is already a year old at that point, why not wait for it to hit the bargain bin? I'm sure I'm not the only person that feels that way.
I mean, the game is already a year old at that point, why not wait for it to hit the bargain bin? I'm sure I'm not the only person that feels that way.
no, i'm sure that everyone would be praising sony's commitment to gaming and art
DOWN
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I am pretty sure that HAZE is a better example. Sony thought it would be a good competitor of Halo and then they made it exclusive to PS3. And even worst, the game was already announced for Xbox 360
But then we get into new IP, and you'll remember that game Halo you mention was already announced for Mac when Microsoft bought into it
Crimson_Gold
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If you're talking about FFVIIR, it isn't quite the same. The vast majority of RPG players on consoles are found on PlayStation platforms. It's not like they're pulling another Last Remnant or anything
Metroidvania
People called Romanes they go the house?
The first part of this quote of Spencer's from the Eurogamer review never fails to make me laugh at the spin control.
However, this...
Is the likely scenario, especially with Microsoft/Spencer admitting they were courting for a popular Action-TPS to try and stem Uncharted losses.
Though I really, really wonder how bad MS wanted the exclusivity that they were willing to go for a timed deal, instead of sealing it up.
ArchedThunder
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I meant I doubt they will do another Xbox exclusive deal for Tomb Raider. Final Fantasy VII isn't even comparable since Final Fantasy is heavily associated with PlayStation and sells much better on it and Final Fantasy VII, nor any of its spinoffs have ever even been released on an Xbox console.
Again, I was quoting someone specifically about Xbox exclusivity for Tomb Raider. Square doing Japanese games exclusive to PS4 isn't comparable to this situation in the slightest.
Nier 2, FFVII Remake.
Its the same If we talking about multiplats being blocked to release in others platforms, and Haze was pretty damn obvious
The Artisan
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haze was a new game while sf, ffs, and tr have all been around for 20+ yearsI am pretty sure that HAZE is a better example. Sony thought it would be a good competitor of Halo and then they made it exclusive to PS3. And even worst, the game was already announced for Xbox 360
eh, I dunno about that, man.
well that wasn't what I was specifically talking about, as I said several times that I don't mind 3rd party exclusives.
StrongBlackVine
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Microsoft will drop Tomb Raider like a bad habit if it doesn't meet their expectations this Fall. SE and CD have to live with the long term effect.
i guarantee it.
Nostremitus
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Thanks. I thought it had been announced for PC, but when I saw this thread I thought I'd missed some exclusivity news.
Nightengale
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If it was timed, yeah.
But because it ain't, Capcom/Sony are actually proudly waving it in our faces. Remember the EVO slide where they reiterated again that SFV isn't timed?
Just like marketing, half the battle is perception. Capcom and Sony has successfully managed to portray the exclusivity relationship in a positive light. Square and MS didn't.
What exactly does MS passion do for making this game good? Like, I understand exclusive stuff. I don't understand what the hell this guy is talking about. Is passion a codeword for money here? Like....what exactly is the point of this statement? What is it supposed to convince me of?
Metalingus5150
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Dat passion tho.
CambriaRising
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Welp. Never thought I'd see a clip from the Tom and Jerry movie in a Tomb Raider thread, yet here we are.
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