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Rinj von Scoot · May 21, 2016

Considering that the card will be supply constrained for a while and most stores will jack up prices as a result (just like a lot of major video card launch), I can't really blame Nvidia for wanting a slice of the scalper's pie. It's a scummy move for sure, but it's a very smart one.

Plus, early adoption of any sort of tech is always a terrible value proposition, and Nvidia is just helping to make that even more obvious!

Kayant · May 21, 2016

girlfriendofagamer said:
What's the difference between a reference card and branded cards?(EVGA,etc)

If you mean of the same design as in founder's edition than nothing past the brand selling it. Although some may not use as high quality components as others.

Reference=Founder's Edition.

Krappadizzle · May 21, 2016

OP are you mad you have to wait? Have you ever tried buying any GPU day 1 in the last 5 years? It's business as usual really.

Luckily, you aren't forced to buy anything.

LilJoka · May 21, 2016

Sir Abacus said:
Poor? HardOCP, Hardware Unboxed and Overclockers Club all went north of 2GHz on stock air.

I'm not sure what other sites are doing but 2GHz on stock air while gaming is certainly possible.

I run +400Mhz core on the MSI GAMER 970.
What was the noise in this test? Was the fan on AUTO?

RE4PRR · May 21, 2016

LilJoka said:
I run +400Mhz core on the MSI GAMER 970.
What was the noise in this test? Was the fan on AUTO?

Pretty sure they put the fan to 100% or I was reading another review where they did so.

tuxfool · May 21, 2016

Sir Abacus said:
Poor? HardOCP, Hardware Unboxed and Overclockers Club all went north of 2GHz on stock air.

I'm not sure what other sites are doing but 2GHz on stock air while gaming is certainly possible.

As noted in another video, most sites are using test benches. The sites that actually did testing inside computer cases, found extensive throttling.

Gojeran · May 21, 2016

Nvidia shit? I'm loving my 980Ti and lovely Gsync monitor so no not really. Id like more shit like this from Nvidia if possible. Also nobody is forcing you to buy the FE card. Early adopters pay more always. Is it a shitty practice? Yeah I guess but Nvidia is in the business of making money and every item is worth what its purchaser will pay for it. Waiting God knows how long for a custom card... In my experience god knows how long is usually within a month- oh the horror.

LilJoka · May 21, 2016

RE4PRR said:
Pretty sure they put the fan to 100% or I was reading another review where they did so.

tuxfool said:
As noted in another video, most sites are using test benches. The sites that actually did testing inside computer cases, found extensive throttling.

Expected as much.

gypsygib · May 21, 2016

In only they had some competition...

Sir Abacus · May 21, 2016

tuxfool said:
As noted in another video, most sites are using test benches. The sites that actually did testing inside computer cases, found extensive throttling.

Yeah it was an open bench after further inspection. I saw the computerbase.de article and I wish they had the PerfCap reason in there as well. Maybe it is just the stock cooler then because if it's possible on a bench it should be possible with the right conditions inside the case. I've never had a card go Thrm on me even when overclocking (Pwr all the time but never Thrm) but then again I rarely get stock cards.

Horsemama1956 · May 21, 2016

RevenWolf said:
Pretty much, my best friend updated his amd drivers, and the pc was one step away from being bricked, took him 12 straight hours to fix with me backing him up on the research front.

And that happend less then a month ago!

Maybe your friend is just a moron?

gigantor21 · May 21, 2016

Rinj von Scoot said:
Considering that the card will be supply constrained for a while and most stores will jack up prices as a result (just like a lot of major video card launch), I can't really blame Nvidia for wanting a slice of the scalper's pie. It's a scummy move for sure, but it's a very smart one.

Plus, early adoption of any sort of tech is always a terrible value proposition, and Nvidia is just helping to make that even more obvious!

This is basically Jen-Hsun saying "what the fuck are you gonna do about it? Buy an AMD card? Vega isn't out until October at the earliest, LOL."

Plus given how people still bought the atrociously valued Titan X after the hilarious Titan/780ti debacle, I fully expect this "Founder's Edition" lunacy to make bank anyway. NVIDIA wouldn't keep doing scummy shit like this if people weren't buying it.

wildfire · May 21, 2016

Krappadizzle said:
OP are you mad you have to wait? Have you ever tried buying any GPU day 1 in the last 5 years? It's business as usual really.

This isn't business as usual. I think Benny is being silly with his outrage for the reasons he stated but let's not pretend this pricing scheme isn't something new.

ss_lemonade · May 21, 2016

When I was first watching the unveiling, I thought the founder's edition was going to be some limited edition release with better clocks and other goodies. I didn't follow up until after a few days, when I found out it was just going to be a reference card and would be the only one available at launch. I can see this being misleading for people who do not follow this closely but wants new hardware.

Krappadizzle · May 22, 2016

wildfire said:
This isn't business as usual. I think Benny is being silly with his outrage for the reasons he stated but let's not pretend this pricing scheme isn't something new.

It really is business as usual. You can buy the shit early if you are vigilant, but if you are minutes late you are stuck paying scalper prices. Nvidia just leapfrogged the scalpers. It's really no different. If you don't see any value in what they are offering for the price, just don't buy the cards. Early adopters always pay a tax in one way or another.

Pathfinder · May 22, 2016

I can't say I'm getting sick of Nvidia's shit, no.

They misled us about the 4GB of ram on the 970 cards, but it hasn't affected me at all. Yeah, the extra $100 cost on the Founder's Edition cards for the 1080 line seems a bit out of touch, but there's a market for it and people will pay it, so there you go.

I'll just wait for MSI's eventual Golden Edition. Their 970 Golden Edition card has been treating me very well so far.

Neo_Geo · May 22, 2016

OmahaG8 said:
To beat the scalpers you must become the scalpers.

Or you could just have an actual launch with product to sell to the masses.

Freshmaker · May 22, 2016

Krappadizzle said:
It really is business as usual. You can buy the shit early if you are vigilant, but if you are minutes late you are stuck paying scalper prices. Nvidia just leapfrogged the scalpers. It's really no different. If you don't see any value in what they are offering for the price, just don't buy the cards. Early adopters always pay a tax in one way or another.

Just means the scalpers will pay $100 more and mark up accordingly.

Kieli · May 22, 2016

If I were nVIDIA, I'd raise the FE prices even higher. You gamers have seemingly endless wallets and appetites for more POWAH.

Haunted · May 22, 2016

All I'm hoping for is that this new wave of cards means that the older generation (970/980) will get some price drops in the near future.

Kieli · May 22, 2016

Haunted said:
All I'm hoping for is that this new wave of cards means that the older generation (970/980) will get some price drops in the near future.

Doubt it.

Production already stopped and new cards price-differential is too high. They may have well created new categories.

Genio88 · May 22, 2016

Well i knew that wasn't the case, here in Europe it's gonna cost about 800.
But i don't care, i'm more than fine with my GTX 980, i'll eventually upgrade next year when GTX 1080 and 1070 will cost half, with newer AMD 14nm Polaris and 1080ti

hohoXD123 · May 22, 2016

Kieli said:
If I were nVIDIA, I'd raise the FE prices even higher. You gamers have seemingly endless wallets and appetites for more POWAH.

An irresponsible amount of power to complement irresponsible spending habits.

owasog · May 23, 2016

The 1080, a 980 replacement costs $50 more than the 980 Ti, and some people don't see the problem?!? Remember, the 480 and 580 launched at $499. And those were the top (Ti) cards. Now a reference 1070 almost costs that much. This must stop, I'm not buying anymore.

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