Lashley
Why does he wear the mask!?
Could say the exact same thing about FIFA tbf
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New PES 2017 hands-on impressions, gameplay
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Could say the exact same thing about FIFA tbf
TheSpecialOne
Banned
Really, since fifa 14 or 15 where they introduced real ball physics, the issue has been eradicated to my knowledge but if you could point me to some similar examples, I'd appreciate it.
Honome
Member
For me all the "real physics" in Fifa are useless because of the game atrocious AI and complete lack of a working strategy system. A football game where all players and teams play equally is crap boring.
Lashley
Why does he wear the mask!?
Most of my goals are always hit in one of two ways
Side of foot to the centre of the ball
toe poke/laces to the centre of the ball
The truth.
I hate playing against AI on legend because a 2 star team plays like Barca or Bayern on rails possession. And the AI only knows one fucking strategy - plain forward with no real adaption to the players playstyle. The sliders are also hilarious, because they not only show the poor AI routines, but takes out every fun and challenge.
PES has stupid AI as well, but at least players make runs.
Adaptive AI is a great addition to PES 2017. The AI on either game can't be compared.
I have only played one match and it still feels a bit off but I'm sure it's a feel I just need to get the hang of first. Although the referee were horrendous. Giving the opponent a free kick when my sliding tackle was clean, and he even gave them a penalty when I hit the ball cleanly. I was like wtf. Not sure what to think about it yet. It feels a little sluggish.
I'm not comparing. One game is using AI as essential point in the game, the other doesn't even care.
While FIFA captures everything around the pitch perfectly, the single player experience is utter crap for ages, because of EA Sports not getting how football works on a tactical level. PES was always different, even more arcady at times, but the experience against the CPU when you are 0:1 behind and score in extra time because you finally were able to play a decent attack, because even the AI makes mistakes, unlike FIFA, where even a goalie as fieldplayer has better first touch than Messi.
I downloaded it but haven't tried yet...can't wait to finally play later today. I hope it's different enough from 16.
The downside is mostly of the Corinthians team being fake
...Those fakes are probably better than ours real strikers, but still.
I'm still on the fence on it...but I really, really, really hope I like this...I miss playing Master League so much. I want to repeat the good old days of Castolo lifting giant trophies.
The downside is mostly of the Corinthians team being fake
...Those fakes are probably better than ours real strikers, but still.I'm still on the fence on it...but I really, really, really hope I like this...I miss playing Master League so much. I want to repeat the good old days of Castolo lifting giant trophies.
Lashley
Why does he wear the mask!?
^ That image hahahaha
I'll always say PES NAILS the offline gameplay, whereas FIFA is better for online. FIFA doesn't nail online gameplay, but it's a much better experience online than PES is.
I'll always say PES NAILS the offline gameplay, whereas FIFA is better for online. FIFA doesn't nail online gameplay, but it's a much better experience online than PES is.
I wasn't aiming it at you, but just saying in general.
Hi guys about to start streaming PES 2017 if any of you who are on the fence about it want to see some gameplay just bear in mind it's on my crappy internet which can't seem to stream HD, it's really fun this year!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voaY8sU6lVM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voaY8sU6lVM
butman
Member
Btw you can play online the demo with a friend with Shareplay
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTTmwRwpHRk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTTmwRwpHRk
WadiumArcadium
Member
Only played a few games but I'm pretty impressed by it. I say it every year but I think I'll actually buy it over FIFA this year.
I played one game, on superstar, and I'm kind of disappointed at how passive AI still is. I won Arsenal 1-0 Atletico with a boring Giroud header and they didn't even got a shot.
I'm sorry for the off-screen picture but look how only Torres try to press my defense with 80' and the team losing. It was pretty easy to just pass the ball in the defense. Not a single moment in the game I saw Atletico try a higher defense and more press.
It's better than 15 and 16, but still not great...maybe it's an Atletico thing maybe...I'll test more. Other than that, game is looking good...but I'll have to play more of it.
I'm sorry for the off-screen picture but look how only Torres try to press my defense with 80' and the team losing. It was pretty easy to just pass the ball in the defense. Not a single moment in the game I saw Atletico try a higher defense and more press.
It's better than 15 and 16, but still not great...maybe it's an Atletico thing maybe...I'll test more. Other than that, game is looking good...but I'll have to play more of it.
sportzhead
Member
Well I played Germany(Me) vs France(CPU) and France was pressing all over the field. I lost 0-2. Really caught me off guard and stressed me out the whole game. Took me out of my game plan.
The referees have not been touched from last years game when calling fouls... anyone who says they are different is lying.
Right. Anyone who disagrees with your opinion is a liar. Got it.
The refs aren't perfect, far from it. But to say they aren't changed from last year... go back and play 2016 if you think the refs haven't changed, because you clearly haven't played it enough.
No longer can you come flying in and take out a player from behind with a two footed challenge, only for the referee to play on. No longer can you have the ref play advantage after a tackle that should be at least a booking, then use Super Cancel to wait until the opposition touch the ball and thereby avoid a card.
Slide tackles are actually called as fouls - arguably a little *too* frequently because like Lashley, I've experienced what look like perfect tackles being punished. The refs are arguably a little too strict, although nowhere near PES 5 levels.
They are much better than last year, and to suggest they haven't been modified one bit from 2016 is flat out wrong.
Lashley
Why does he wear the mask!?
PC version is a "hybrid" between PS3 and PS4 version ports
Played around 6 games in the demo before and after watching Pep last night Bla.
It's really good, The King has returned.
Too bad Bayern isn't in :/
Xbox is lower res, wouldn't be surprised if it's 720p.
MetalGearSilly
Neo Member
PES impressions are always tricky. You may really like/hate it at first. It's only really after a couple of weeks of play that you have a better idea about the game..what works..what doesn't etc. And the conclusion isn't always positive.
SomedayTheFire
Member
I've hated every PES since 2013 after my first two games and ended up loving and buying them. This seems no different so far. We'll see if I come around to it because I really don't like it at the moment.
Really enjoyed the 3 or 4 games I had with the demo last night.
There's no one thing I think works or doesn't work, really. It just feels like more steady progress over the last 2 years, which is fine, because those games were very close to being good. To me, this one just feels like it's there from the moment I started my first match.
Both refereeing and goalkeepers have clearly had work done. Just to echo what's been said above, they're not perfect (I don't believe any football game ever has been) but there's a notable and obvious improvement on last year.
Think I'll be buying it.
There's no one thing I think works or doesn't work, really. It just feels like more steady progress over the last 2 years, which is fine, because those games were very close to being good. To me, this one just feels like it's there from the moment I started my first match.
Both refereeing and goalkeepers have clearly had work done. Just to echo what's been said above, they're not perfect (I don't believe any football game ever has been) but there's a notable and obvious improvement on last year.
Think I'll be buying it.
Only played a few matches and I like it but from what I see the keepers seem to be slightly better but still prone to mistakes. I shot from outside the box at an angle as Messi and it went straight over the keeper's head and in. Also seems like headers are easy goals. Will need to play a few more matches before I think of buying but I think so far it could be better than 2016.
I've played so much 2016 that the default speed in the demo is quicker than I'm used to. Crosses go flying in like a bullet now lol
I've played so much 2016 that the default speed in the demo is quicker than I'm used to. Crosses go flying in like a bullet now lol
Lashley
Why does he wear the mask!?
Done the same, they're definitely improved. I just don't like slide tackling, and the headers seem worse than last year.
Still not one & done like the PS2, but you can copy edit data which will consist of created leagues, players, etc.
Flyinmunky
Member
Best PES I have played in years. Will wait to try Fifa demo.
Although noticed a few FPS issues...
Although noticed a few FPS issues...
Roberto Larcos
Member
Really enjoying the game. Won't buy it though- Xbox One is clearly an afterthought.
Playing with fake kits / badges / names really does break immersion, so I have no idea why they make this feature unavailable to Xbox One gamers (it is doable on Xbox 360). The game also looks far, far worse than it should on Xbkx, compared to the PS4. I know the Xbox One is a little underpowered, but no other game has this level of dofference. That all contributes to the online game dying off fairly quickly for Xbox One. It's a lot better on PS4 all around.
Playing with fake kits / badges / names really does break immersion, so I have no idea why they make this feature unavailable to Xbox One gamers (it is doable on Xbox 360). The game also looks far, far worse than it should on Xbkx, compared to the PS4. I know the Xbox One is a little underpowered, but no other game has this level of dofference. That all contributes to the online game dying off fairly quickly for Xbox One. It's a lot better on PS4 all around.
Fakeknowledge
Member
Best Football game, Konami redeemed. Was looking forward to getting stuck into Deus Ex but i keep coming back to this.
With shots or in general? Haven't noticed much difference in shots but in general headers are better i think, you can dominate aerially with players like Giroud or Mertesacker but mostly it's a lot more 50-50. On '16 you can win every header with pretty much anyone once you get the timing and positioning down. Sliding tackles seems identical to last year from what i can tell, i like them myself though.
With shots or in general? Haven't noticed much difference in shots but in general headers are better i think, you can dominate aerially with players like Giroud or Mertesacker but mostly it's a lot more 50-50. On '16 you can win every header with pretty much anyone once you get the timing and positioning down. Sliding tackles seems identical to last year from what i can tell, i like them myself though.
Lashley
Why does he wear the mask!?
You should feel PC players pain
Fuck Konami
Attacking, they seem to go insanely high, its weird
Roberto Larcos
Member
At least PC gets option files...
updating my previous answer, as I was on the phone I couldnt post this image (it was in the last page but I thought I had seen it in another forum)
As there is a 'AFC Champions League' and a "Other Latin American Teams' I would guess they lost the Libertadores license (but maybe they will still have the teams, or at least there is room to create them in an Option File. There was a rumour from April/May that said they lost the license (FIFA got it). We will see.
Lashley
Why does he wear the mask!?
but borked gameplay
Roberto Larcos
Member
It's a shit sandwich.
I think that's a question for Microsoft. The idea that Konami would deliberately remove option file editing from the Xbox editions if it was possible to implement, while leaving it in the PS versions, doesn't make sense to me.
They've already said the omission of OF's on XB is down to Microsoft. Should be common knowledge by now.