RustyNails
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For me it is clipping. Nothing takes me out of a game than a clip-through.
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What visual/graphics challenge do you like developers to solve most?
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The Artisan
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clipping is pretty damn important.
good thread, OP. i'm not sure atm so i'll come back later
edit: oh shit Rusty I didn't even notice it was you!
good thread, OP. i'm not sure atm so i'll come back later
edit: oh shit Rusty I didn't even notice it was you!
TheAdmiester
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Clipping, Z fighting, and reflections.
Reflections being one because: typical cubemaps can't render dynamic objects, dynamic cubemaps are pretty performance intensive and are usually shaky or inaccurate, SSR's flaw is obvious (can't see the undersides of backsides of reflected objects as they aren't in the screen space), and I'm sure there's more that I can't think of. But yeah, reflections still need a lot of work in games.
Reflections being one because: typical cubemaps can't render dynamic objects, dynamic cubemaps are pretty performance intensive and are usually shaky or inaccurate, SSR's flaw is obvious (can't see the undersides of backsides of reflected objects as they aren't in the screen space), and I'm sure there's more that I can't think of. But yeah, reflections still need a lot of work in games.
RustyNails
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I also would like polygon deformation to become more natural.
If the player sits or leans against a wall, the polygons should bend and compress against the weight. It's not as big of a problem as clipping for me but it is noticeable.
If the player sits or leans against a wall, the polygons should bend and compress against the weight. It's not as big of a problem as clipping for me but it is noticeable.
Lactose_Intolerant
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I think devs need to use more than 3 levels of lod for models.
thesonovabeach
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Making two people kiss without being awkward as hell.
Lights and Waves
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Realistic hair, shadows that those don't look like jaggy squares.
General Lee
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One thing I'd really like to see is clothes/armor/apparel that aren't just static texture/mesh over the body like they're part of it. We have capes and hair with physics, but I want everything on a character to have dynamic properties.
Are you referring to their skin bending and compressing, or their clothes? A decent amount of games this gen have cloth physics that react to the environment.
FarFromAnyGame
Banned
Metal armor bending and stretching.
capitalCORN
Member
Global lighting, like infinite bounce global lighting. Would go so far to make an image more cohesive. That and harmonized light and shadow. The fact that Doom 3 was the last breakthrough is embarrassing.
That would be very expensive from a computational standpoint, but I think R* may do it with RDR2. They made great strides with this in Max Payne 3.
Vulcano's assistant
Banned
This is more or less solved, it is just that the hardware is catching up to it since current solutions are like high settings feature and often not on console.
RustyNails
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I'm talking more about the physical body. Like for example if Geralt is sitting on a cliff and you see him from behind, his ass is perfectly shaped without any weight from his upper body compressing it.
Polygonal_Sprite
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I'll probably laugh at this in ten years but I feel like with U4, Quantum Break, TW3, The Order, WD2 etc I think we've hit the "good enough" point with semi realistic looking real time visuals at least to me.
With PS4 Pro, gaming PC's and Scorpio we've / will hit a good point with regards to IQ.
I feel the final hurdle is framerate. I'd much rather next gen focuses on hitting 60fps as the target rather than improving what are already incredible visuals and large Worlds. I ultimately know this won't happen though because of marketing and the dedicated console markets linear path of ever improving visual fidelity.
If I was being very picky about the games I mentioned in my opening paragraph then I would say certain effects like fire and explosions can seem lacking at times but overall character models, lighting, texture work and materials are all fantastic imo.
With PS4 Pro, gaming PC's and Scorpio we've / will hit a good point with regards to IQ.
I feel the final hurdle is framerate. I'd much rather next gen focuses on hitting 60fps as the target rather than improving what are already incredible visuals and large Worlds. I ultimately know this won't happen though because of marketing and the dedicated console markets linear path of ever improving visual fidelity.
If I was being very picky about the games I mentioned in my opening paragraph then I would say certain effects like fire and explosions can seem lacking at times but overall character models, lighting, texture work and materials are all fantastic imo.
Peroroncino
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Texture pop and weak blood effects e.g. when you shoot/slash somebody, you see loads of blood floating in the air, but when it lands on the ground/wall you don't see it, because it just disappears into the ether, I hate that.
Cheeseman Battitude
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Fog effects going into the floor and showing a straight line where it meets.Not sure if it's been solved properly yet. Probably has.
JonnyDBrit
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This is one of the most noticeable for me. Suppose you could class it as independent item modelling - where your character actually wears stuff, rather than it being welded to the rig. Oh sure, the ends of your coat may fly free, but the actual coat itself? Ha!
However, I also realise that's probably a long way off, so I'll default to OP's answer of clipping.
killatopak
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Clipping mostly.
Cow Mengde
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Pop ups and texture pop ins. Really freaking annoying. I thought we got rid of it during the GC/PS2/XB era, but it's now back with a vengeance.
capitalCORN
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Garrett Hawke
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This is one of the many reasons why I was so impressed with Arkham Knight visually. Batman's armour still stretches in some places (like his armpits) but his abs + chest pieces are actually placed on a mesh so they move independently to his animation. For example, when he raises his arms, you can see the gaps between the pieces of his armour expand and see the wire underneath.
Uncharted 4 is great for both of these
copelandmaster
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I would like hair to be made up of actual polygons and realistic physics rather than hi res alpha textures with bone based physics applied. Seems like a power issue rather than a challenge (Agni was a thing, after all), but I won't pretend that it doesn't bother me.
For animals, this technique is not a substitute. That is some PS2 tech taken to extreme levels. More like The Witcher 3 Hairworks, but better and hardware agnostic. Straight up more polygons is fine, too.
AF. Find a way to make this less intensive so it can be turned on in every console game. Please stop making 2k-4k textures for everything and then turning AF off.
For animals, this technique is not a substitute. That is some PS2 tech taken to extreme levels. More like The Witcher 3 Hairworks, but better and hardware agnostic. Straight up more polygons is fine, too.
AF. Find a way to make this less intensive so it can be turned on in every console game. Please stop making 2k-4k textures for everything and then turning AF off.
I think Crytek actually achieved this with Ryse. Almost every piece of armor and clothing on the main character moved independently.
DexterBateman
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Shadow draw distance in larger, more open world games. It's extremely jarring to me in FFXV GTAV and Watch Dogs 2. Maybe they can do a static shadow texture that can fade into dynamic as you get closer or something?
Also I'd love to see better facial expression, vs just blinking and mouth momement. Still seeing dead robotic faces during dialog seems kinda silly as we move into 2017.
Also I'd love to see better facial expression, vs just blinking and mouth momement. Still seeing dead robotic faces during dialog seems kinda silly as we move into 2017.
FarFromAnyGame
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LelouchZero
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More GPU accelerated physics like this in video games, especially open-world titles.
And more physics based animation like what Rockstar does in their games like Max Payne 3, GTA V and Red Dead Redemption as mention in this post:
And more physics based animation like what Rockstar does in their games like Max Payne 3, GTA V and Red Dead Redemption as mention in this post:
Stilton Disco
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Hair is my biggest gripe with modern graphics. It's either totally static and little more than a bizarre hat, or at best dead straight and model perfect.
Give me decent renditions of most every hairstyle, up to and including dense curls and ringlets, that bounce and react to water and wind realistically, and I'll find any game significantly more immersive.
Give me decent renditions of most every hairstyle, up to and including dense curls and ringlets, that bounce and react to water and wind realistically, and I'll find any game significantly more immersive.
The_blonde_and_blue
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I personally can't stand LOD changes and pop-in. Drives me nuts.
Another recent one is hair and clothes that don't move. FFXV did a pretty great job for both.
Another recent one is hair and clothes that don't move. FFXV did a pretty great job for both.
Definitely clipping and texture pop-in. Completely takes me out of the experience when it happens frequently. Anyone remember the console port of Rage? The worst.
Aside from that it's always nice to see developers use contrast well with how they portray lighting (too little and everything looks flat, too much and it looks like a bad mod).
Aside from that it's always nice to see developers use contrast well with how they portray lighting (too little and everything looks flat, too much and it looks like a bad mod).
I also want computational fluid dynamics to be incorporated in video games more, but for something so expensive I can't think of an actual gameplay use for it. Maybe for a puzzle or something?
FarFromAnyGame
Banned
Euphoria engine is actually even more impressive than you think. It's not just physics-based. It has a self-animating AI. The drunk animations and characters trying to balance themselves when ran into? That's an AI animating itself in real-time to react to the physics and the environment.
Edit: https://youtu.be/87qdmuOesRs
That's called soft particles and Im sure vast majority of modern games have that feature.
Although I've seen few modern games without it which is always very strange to see because it should have virtually no performance impact t.
I still wonder how NaturalMotion (or R*, I'm not sure who to give credit to) were able to pull that off. I'm hoping that in future games (like RDR2) the AI can take into account more variables like local terrain and even wind speed/direction for animations.
ArkhamFantasy
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All forms of jaggies and shimmering.
Ulysses 31
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Real time lighting, global illumination, contact shadowing on everything.