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BruceLeeRoy
(04-01-2013, 11:43 PM)
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The FAQ
  • OMG 0_0 WHAT DID I JUST WATCH!?



    Using her ability to see through 'all the doors' (all realities) Liz brings Booker through a tear back to a 'focal' point that symbolizes/acts as a funnel for all possible outcomes based on the 'choice' of baptism acceptance or denial, since that is the spot which leads to Comstock's origination and Liz destroying the world. This focal point is his baptism.

    Liz then guides Booker to realize that he is Comstock (in an alternate dimension), and says that in order to kill Comstock, she must kill the Booker who exists before the choice is made, for as long as a choice is present, some universe will end with Booker picking baptism and eventually becoming Comstock.

    She then kills him before the choice can be made, and as Booker dies, since Liz can no longer be alive, she disappears as the screen fades to black. The different Elizabeth's fading are all the Elizabeths across all the dimensions fading out of existence as Booker is killed since if Booker doesn't exist neither can the Elizabeth of Columbia.

    This leads to several possible 'conclusions' that can be drawn based on the post-credits scene.

    DONT LIKE TO READ? HERE IS A GOOD VIDEO THAT BREAKS IT DOWN.
  • IN ENGLISH DOC!

    Okay here is a good quick step by step breakdown from The One Who Knocks
    1. Booker sells Anna to Comstock and Comstock pays off his debt (probably using Robert Lutece to pay whoever Booker owes money to).
    2. Comstock renames Anna to Elizabeth.
    3. The male Lutece becomes guilty for taking Anna and meddling in the multiverse. Both he and the female Lutece (who he forces to help her) decide to reset things.
    4. Comstock orders the Luteces to be murdered. They get scattered in the probability space.
    5. The Lutece's, now scattered among the probability space, and appear to Booker, offering him the chance to take back Anna.
    6. Booker crosses through the Luteces' tear to the set of universes where Elizabeth is. Booker forgets everything almost everything after crossing over (Comstock's memories conflicting with his own) and he invents new memories around 'bring us the girl, wipe away the debt'. He doesn't actually have any debt at this time.


    Originally Posted by The One Who Knocks

    Originally Posted by The One Who Knocks

    THE ONE WHO KNOCKS DETAILED ENDING SYNOPSIS

    Originally Posted by XAL

  • WHO ARE THE LUTECES?



    The Luteces are the same person, from different universes, of a different gender; their only genetic difference. The female Lutece belongs to Comstock's universe. She discovered a method to prevent a particle from falling and this was utilized in the founding of Columbia.

    Luteces Timeline

    Originally Posted by The One Who Knocks

    Luteces Synopsis
    The female Lutece, at an unspecified time yet before the founding of Columbia, was measuring a particle. Simultaneously, an alternative Lutece was measuring the exact same particle. This led to the discovery that the Luteces were able to communicate through universes by altering the Lutece field.




    Female Lutece discovered that tears could be created which allowed for the viewing of alternative probability spaces. Sometime after this discovery, female Lutece met with Comstock, who saw his seed drown in flames the mountain of man within a tear which leads to him founding Columbia.



    In addition to this, Comstock used these tears to make his prophecies. The use of the machine rendered Comstock sterile however and thus, he could not naturally produce a child. The female Lutece and male Lutece, both in alternative universes, solved this problem. The male Lutece with Comstock's funds (or, perhaps, his own which we then repaid in Columbia) wiped away Booker's debt by buying Anna. After going through the tear with Anna, the male and female Luteces were united. The notable figures in Columbia used the Lutece's machine/tears to become incredibly wealthy by plagiarizing items from alternative realities via the tears. Jeremiah Fink developed the Vigors and Songbird by observing tears, his brother, Albert Fink, copied music that he heard through the tears, while Comstock used them to make prophecies. The male Lutece became increasingly guilty about his part in their meddling of timelines and met with the female Lutece and presented her with an ultimatum to reset what they had done.



    This plan was halted when Comstock ordered Fink to sabotage the Luteces' machine. By sabotaging the machine in order to make it look like an accident, Fink botched the murder attempt and scattered the Luteces amongst the probability space. As usual, the female Lutece was unfazed while her brother was displeased.



    This is where Robert Lutece, and Rosalind Lutece, are crucial to the understanding of the game. The entire game is the Luteces' attempt to reset the timeline, to prevent what they have started, by manipulating events so that Booker can reset the timeline. These are the male and female character that seem to talk in riddles and present us with the armour Vigor, ask us if it's heads or tales and meet us/appear to follow us throughout the game.

  • WHERE DID ELIZABETH GET HER POWERS?



    The game heavily hints that this occurs because Liz's pinky is cut off as she is taken by Comstock, remaining in one reality while her body is in an alternate universe. Alternatively, it could be the cut itself that causes the powers to manifest. This is made reference to in a Audiolog from Lutece:



  • WHY DOES KILLING BOOKER AT BAPTISM STOP ALL VERSIONS OF COMSTOCK?



    This is a topic that, for many, may be extremely complicated and, in addition, has several prominent theories. One thing, that must be noted, is that it is stated in the game, that Elizabeth murders every Booker "before the choice is made before [he is] reborn".

    The first theory, that I believe is this(SEE BELOW GRAPH)

    Elizabeth murders every Booker (not just every Booker that accepts, EVERY Booker). Bookers that attend Wounded Knee and survive always go to the baptism, this is a constant. There are no relevant Bookers to the story that don't go to the baptism. Because Elizabeth murders every Booker, she creates a paradox. The paradox that exists is that:

    A single Booker must accept the baptism so the probability of Booker becoming Comstock exists so that the probability of buying Anna exists so that the probability of Elizabeth becoming omnipotent and murdering every Booker exists which means a single Booker must accept the baptism so the probability of Booker becoming Comstock exists so that the probability of buying Anna exists so that the probability of Elizabeth becoming omnipotent and murdering every Booker exists and so on. It's all one big paradoxical loop. A look at this loop through what Booker sees is this (EatChildren's timeline with Zkylon's green edit):

    MULTIVERSE GRAPH

    MULTIVERSE GRAPH 2

    To escape the paradox ever existing, it means that every Booker that ever attends/attended/will attend the baptism must always reject it. If even a single Booker out of an infinite Bookers accept, a paradox is created where every Booker is murdered by their in conceived daughter before making a choice. As a result, a destruction resolution to the paradox occurs, where the probability of any Booker accepting the baptism is removed, and every Booker must reject the baptism

    To put it very simply:
    Before the events of the game
    Constant:
    The Baptism

    Variables:
    Accept = Probability of Comstock = Probability of Elizabeth
    Reject = Probability of Booker selling Anna to Comstock.

    After the events of the game
    Constant:
    The Baptism.

    What used to be variables becomes certainties (rejecting baptism) and impossibilities (accepting baptism):
    A Single Booker Accepts = Paradox in every timeline.
    If even a single Booker can ever accept, the paradox exists where Booker died before making the choice. The probability of a paradox is zero percent. It's an impossibility, not a probability. As a result, the probability of any Booker making this choice becomes 0%. If not every Booker was murdered, this wouldn't be a paradox, it would just be another timeline, but that's not the case. Something that occurs 0% of the time is an impossibility/improbability. It never happens. Therefore, Booker can never accept.

    Every Booker Rejects = Nothing unusual.
    Booker lives out his life as he normally would. This choice never leads to a paradox. Because the probability of the other variable is 0%, the probability of this variable becomes 100%. Something that occurs 100% of the time is no longer a variable, it is a constant. Booker rejecting the baptism becomes a constant.

    Now, you may think, "but how can Booker always reject if every Booker is already dead!? Surely this means you're saying only those that accept are drowned?" and this is the easiest way to explain how this can happen: Think about what would happen if, before the game, every single Booker rejected. What would happen? Nothing, Booker would live out his life with Anna, because since we are imagining the events of the game didn't happen, and we're imagining rejection is a constant already, then Comstock can never exist and thus Elizabeth can never drown every Booker before the baptism. This is the situation that the end of the game forces and that's what we see in the after credits sequence, the blue line, the line that doesn't lead to the looping paradox.

    In addition, every Booker killing himself is not the same thing as every Booker being drowned by Elizabeth. The former would become a constant and would contradict the after credits scene, no Booker could ever survive the baptism, and every relevant Booker goes to the baptism. If every Booker is drowned by Elizabeth, that is a paradox and a paradox cannot exist.

    The second theory is, almost exactly the same as the above, but it has a slight difference. The second theory is that only the Bookers that accept the baptism are drowned. The reason this is believed by some is that Elizabeth takes you to a second pond. One thing this contradicts is the line "before the choice is made, before [he is] reborn" but otherwise ends up in the same result; the probability of Booker accepting is zero so Booker must always reject. This differs from the first theory only slightly and arrives in the same conclusion, but it does slightly contradict a line.

    The third theory is that every Booker dies at the baptism and the after credits scene if from a completely different set of timelines. This has the problem that, until that point, this entire universe is irrelevant and would have existed throughout the game's events anyway.

    The fourth theory is that time 'resets' upon the creation of the paradox. That is, that rather than a destruction resolution occurring, the universe 'respawns' to the last time it worked before the paradox and the events of the game repeat infinitely, and the circle is never broken, it repeats indefinitely.

    One important thing to note is that it is heavily implied the 8th October 1893, the date of the after credits sequence occurs, is the date that Anna is sold to the Luteces. The evidence towards this is the following:



    A Window


    One And The Same


    The female Lutece, on the 15th October 1893, is making Voxophones for the male Lutece, which tells him events that have happened in the past, as he is suffering cognitive dissonance which happens when you travel through timelines. According to the propaganda, Lady Comstock delivered Elizabeth in only seven days, during which Comstock cared for her every night. The more likely explanation is that Robert Lutece and Anna travelled into the Comstock set of timelines on the 8th October 1893 (which is the date the after credits scene takes place in, and is in the black and white office). Anna (now renamed Elizabeth) was cared for consistently to prevent her from dying as a result of the physical reactions that occur due to the cognitive dissonance when one travels through timelines.

  • IM STILL CONFUSED ABOUT THIS WHOLE DROWNING BOOKERS / ELIZABETH THING

    Don't worry it can sound confusing. Here are some other gaffers thoughts:

    Drowning Booker creates a paradox.

    Booker accepts baptism->Liz drowns him->Booker is dead so no Bioshock Infinite->Liz doesn't exist to drown him->etc...

    As a paradox, this scenario is obliterated by nature so the only remaining timelines are where Booker refuses baptism. These timelines don't involve any tampering with spacetime and everyone lives happily ever after.

    So, the crux of it all, is accepting that:

    When the universe encounters a paradox due to a choice, it systematically wipes out all timelines associated with that choice, and only allows the timelines with an alternate choice to be made.

    Therefore, since Booker accepting baptism and becoming Comstock always winds up in a paradox, the universe goes, "No", wipes those timelines out, and only allows timelines featuring baptism rejection to exist.

    Hence, the post-credits scene.

  • WHO/WHAT IS SONGBIRD?



    Songbird is a creation by Jeremiah Fink that is some part organic, some part mechanical. The technology used to create Songbird was taken from an alternative universe that was observed through a tear. It is a possibility that this was stolen from the technology used to create the Big Daddies yet this seems extremely unlikely. There are an infinite amount of universes and an infinite amount of universes will possess similar technology; the Songbird's technology could originate from any one of them. The Songbird is vulnerable to high pressures as it was built for use in Columbia which, due to the height, has a low pressure.




  • WHY DIDN'T BOOKER SAVE OLD ELIZABETH?



    Old Elizabeth explains that everytime Booker tried to rescue Elizabeth, Songbird prevented him from doing so. Unable to save Elizabeth, an operation was performed on her that made it extremely painful to open tears, creating an association between opening tears and pain. This, combined with the passage of time, broke Elizabeth's hope, and turned her into the cold, Old Elizabeth that leads the assault on New York. As the siphon was never destroyed, and she was rendered almost unable to open tears, it took 'everything she had' to bring Booker to her and then send him back to before the operation.

    To save herself and Booker, She gives Booker a note for Liz containing the control song C-A-G-E to finally stop Songbird from stopping him.

  • WHEN WAS ELIZABETH PUT IN THE TOWER?



    Her whole life as she doesn't know who Comstock or his wife are.

    There's a scientifically themed graph or chart that shows when Elizabeth had her first period, that her power grew exponentially. And once her powers entered a certain threshold, no one could be in or work in monument island.

    The time when anyone but Elizabeth was banned was almost immediately after she had her first period, which leads me to believe that Comstock was worried about Elizabeth getting attached to anyone that entered the tower, the girl hasn't had social interactions with a male or female ever, she could easily become infatuated with anyone that would give her the time of day.

    Her getting pregnant would probably taint Comstock's reputation as being a pure and morally driven leader, not to mention he would have to deal with a plethora of potential problems that would arise.

    It is interesting Elizabeth became much more powerful when she got the bodily functions of a woman.

  • WHO IS ANNA?






    Anna is Elizabeth. Booker sells Anna, his child, to Comstock to remove his debt. He immediately regrets his decision but fails to prevent her from being taken through the tear. Anna is renamed Elizabeth by Comstock. As a result, Booker brands himself with her initials, AD (Anna Dewitt) as some form of penance, which is then used as the symbol for the False Shepard.

  • HOW LONG HAS IT BEEN SINCE BOOKER GAVE ANNA TO COMSTOCK BEFORE HE ENTERS COLUMBIA?

    Almost twenty years; we are told this in the ending, that Booker lived in regret for almost twenty years and branded himself with AD during that time period.

  • IS COMSTOCK WHO BOOKER OWES HIS DEBT TO?

    Not likely and almost presumably no. In the flashbacks you clearly see he has been involved in gambling and states that he owes "the wrong kind of people".

  • BOOKER AND COMSTOCK ARE THE SAME AGE! HOW DO WE KNOW THAT?

    Both Booker and Comstock are 37/38 in 1912, the time period in which the game occurs. Comstock's age, and thus Booker's is visible due to the date of birth in the Hall of Heroes which states Comstock was born April 19, 1874, therefore he is 37/38. To conclude, both Bookers are the same age.

  • WHY IS COMSTOCK SO MUCH OLDER THAN YOU IF HIM AND BOOKER ARE THE SAME AGE?

    Elizabeth destroy New York himself anyway), and aging rapidly. In short, the Luteces' machine is extremely hazardous to one's health. The Voxophones related to the sterility, tumors and, finally, rapid aging are:









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FAQ CONTINUED…
  • WHY IS COMSTOCK A CRAZY RACIST BUT NOT BOOKER?

    Booker's racism comes from the earlier Indian War, and the allegations made to Comstock/Booker in one Comstock's voxophones indicate that he was accused of being part Indian. To prove himself, he butchered, scalped, and burned teepees with people inside them.

    The guilt which he felt afterwards led him to the baptism event, but with it, Comstock, feeling that he is given free forgiveness by a greater power than himself, without putting any real effort into being a better person, continues his racist progression because he justifies his work as being led by divine purpose.

    Meanwhile Booker, feeling regret but unable to go through with the baptism due to not believing in such forgiveness for his heinous actions, slowly comes to terms with what he did, or at least tries to via marrying his wife and having Anna, but after losing his wife, his despair builds up into large debts due to alcohol and gambling.
    His self worth ultimately becomes so low that he can even give up his only child, not seeing himself as a worthy parent.

  • WHAT YEAR DID BOOKER GIVE ANNA TO COMSTOCK?

    1893. Says so on the calendar in the cutscene when male Lutece comes to take her.

    It is heavily implied that 8th October 1893 is the precise date Anna was sold to Comstock and, simultaneously, the date that Robert Lutece entered Comstock's universe. The evidence towards this is the following:










    "The female Lutece, on the 15th October 1893, is making Voxophones for the male Lutece, which tells him events that have happened in the past, as he is suffering cognitive dissonance which happens when you travel through timelines. According to the propoganda, Lady Comstock delivered Elizabeth in only seven days, during which Comstock cared for her every night. The more likely explanation is that Robert Lutece and Anna travelled into the Comstock set of timelines on the 8th October 1893 (which is the date the after credits scene takes place in, and is in the black and white office). Anna (now renamed Elizabeth) was cared for consistently to prevent her from dying as a result of the physical reactions that occur due to the cognitive dissonance when one travels through timelines.

  • HOW DOES COMSTOCK KNOW BOOKER IS COMING BACK TO COLUMBIA?

    Its likely Comstock in his viewing of the tears sees the Luteces going against him to get Booker back, who had already carved the AD onto his hand. Upon seeing this, he took precautions against Booker while telling Fink to take care of the Luteces, to account for the eventuality, the same as he did when sending the security team to wait in case Liz ever showed up. (The voxophone mentions that the team had been waiting a while.)

  • WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU GET KNOCKED OUT AND ARE IN A BLACK AND WHITE OFFICE?



    Every time Booker dies (including when the player controls him) the Lutece's use a different version of Booker to follow the exact same path doing the exact same thing but slightly different. That's why we see the door when we die, it's when Booker sells Anna to Robert Lutece which starts the chain of events that leads to the Luteces dragging us back to Columbia to redo everything (and we are then brought to the checkpoint before we died to regain control). The entire plot is about the Lutece's resetting the timeline to prevent their own demise (the male Lutece is not pleased that they are trapped in the void while the female Lutece doesn't mind likewise the male Lutece mentions that he wishes to reset what they caused while the female sees it as pointless because 'time is an ocean, why stop the tide' [to paraphrase]). This is the reason they know Booker "DOESN'T row" as opposed to "doesn't ROW" in the opening; they've done this a huge amount of times before. At this point, you regain control of Booker and avoid death by doing something different. With regards to the mandatory story points which feature the black and white office (such as after the entrance to Columbia via the baptism and before Battleship Bay) there are two theories:

    Theory 1:
    The first is that Booker dies at these events. We are transported to the black and white office and then we regain control as a Booker that did not die at these events. The reason people believe this theory is that it does not change the purpose of the black and white office scenes.

    Theory 2:
    The second is that Booker does not die in these events but they are merely a flashback; that we are simply playing Booker's (corrupt) memories of the day he gave Anna to Robert Lutece, to build up to the final reveal. The reasons people believe this theory is that, following the first mandatory black and white scene we see Comstock's (now also Booker's) memory of viewing New York burning in a tear and because every other time we play as an alternative Booker (after we die), we see the change that occured that prevented his death whereas, fi these were deaths, we never saw the change.

  • WHAT IS THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE 123 FLIPPED COINS THAT LAND ON HEADS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE GAME?




    As we learn at the end of the game, there are constants, and variables. The coin landing on heads is an example of a constant, what Booker calls is a variable (Booker is able to call either heads or tales on this section but the coin always lands on heads).

    HEADS IMAGE

    TAILS IMAGE

    As we can see, prior to flipping the head, there are 122 chalk marks already on the board. This reveals to us that we are, at least, the 123rd Booker to reach the coin flip and thus are at least the Luteces' 123rd attempt to reset the timeline. Jacksepticeye has noted that the lighthouse combination at the beginning is 1-2-2. Whether this is just coincidence, a reference, or more, is never specifically stated.

  • WHAT IS THE RELEVANCE OF THE BIRD AND THE CAGE CHOICE?



    The relevance of the Bird and the Cage choice is that there is that they make no difference. They are variables, but the choice is irrelevant, just as the player ultimately has no choice within the game but to play through events, they only have the illusion of choice. It has also been suggested that these are used by the Luteces as a way of checking that Booker is on the correct course, that he did indeed do everything the exact same up until that point.

  • WHO IS DEAD IN THE LIGHTHOUSE?



    Lighthouse keeper, told by Comstock to kill Booker when he arrives. Killed by the Luteces to avoid that from happening, as evidenced by a picture of the lighthouse in their lab with a caption stating "the only obstacle".

  • WHY DOES BOOKERS NOSE BLEED?



    Nosebleeds occur when trying to remember conflicting memories. When you cross over to an alternative universe, you remember what the other version of you remembers/did at the point that you crossed over. If the alternative version of you did exactly the same as you, your memory is fine since your memory is overwritten with the same information. If the alternative version did something different then your own memories are suppressed, erased or corrupted, their memories are suppressed, erased or corrupted and you 'fill in the blanks' with information you can remember.

  • WHO IS BOOKERS WIFE?



    Booker's wife died in childbirth. It seems very plausible that Booker's wife is Lady Comstock in an alternative universe (that they are the same person):

    Originally Posted by BlastProcessing

    In the Booker-verse his wife dies in childbirth. In the Comstock-verse there is no childbirth to kill her. I assumed that they are the same woman in each verse. This explains why they look alike.

    Originally Posted by Sorian

    Just to add another layer of evidence that is completely circumstantial. One of Lady Comstocks early diaries (I'm sorry that I don't quote the entire thing like others, I don't have the game handy) mentioned how Comstock had to forgive her of her sins and some of her diaries afterwards allude to the fact that she was deep into some type of wickedness (prostitution, gambling, who knows?) and that she was so devoted to Comstock because he was willing to forgive her of these sins. It makes sense that our Booker who was a heavy gambler and kind of a thug would end up falling in with a woman of similar evil intents.

    The Voxophone being referred to is this:




  • DID I JUST HEAR GIRLS JUST WANT TO HAVE FUN AND A TEARS FOR FEARS SONG!!?

    The musician Albert Fink used the Luteces' quantum machine to steal music from future timelines.



    Originally Posted by Trigger

    God Only Knows
    Everybody Wants to Rule the World
    Girls Just Want to Have Fun
    Tainted Love
    Shiny Happy People
    Fortunate Son

    I'm sure I'm missing some though. Only the more modern songs caught my ear.
    The Bioshock wiki has the full list.

  • IS BOOKER ANDREW RYAN?



    No, Booker is not Andrew Ryan. Elizabeth states that the constants are that there is always a man, always a lighthouse, and always a city. This means in every universe, there are these things yet there can never be two of them in one universe (everything is singular, not plural). The variable, is what each of these are. If you wish to ask if they are 'equivalents' then yes. Columbia is the equivalent city to Rapture, Andrew Ryan is the equivalent to Comstock (Booker baptized), Columbia's lighthouse is the equivalent to Rapture's lighthouse. Factually (due to the dates of birth and location), and literally they are not the same person.

    People may suggest that the bathyspheres can only be operated by Ryan's relatives but this is pretty flimsy, Elizabeth could have brought them to an infinite set of Raptures where this wasn't needed. The entire journey to Rapture was symbolic, and a quick, easy way to establish the idea of constants and variables using pre-existing material. If you wish to, you could use it as a statement to show how games are the same repeatedly then altered with variables, as Rapture is the equivalent or Columbia, Booker is the equivalent of Jack who is the equivalent of Delta, Comstock is the equivalent of Andrew Ryan who if the equivalent of Sofia Lamb, Elizabeth is the equivalent of the Little Sisters who are the equivalent of Eleanor Lamb and so on. Mostly though, it is in the game for symbolic reasons, to create an actual, literal connection between characters.

  • WHAT IS THE CONNECTION BETWEEN RAPTURE AND COLUMBIA AND THE CHARACTERS?



    As Liz says in the ending, there is always a man and a lighthouse. This symbolizes the similar thematic/narrative elements found in both games.

  • HOW CLOSE IS BIOSHOCK TO THE ORIGINAL GAMEPLAY TRAILER?

    Its changed in lots of ways as you can see here.

  • I CANT STOP THINKING ABOUT THIS GAME!

    Welcome to the club. Be excited for the DLC 3 of which are confirmed to be story based with Levine even saying we will get more info specifically on SongBird.
    So don't worry more Bioshock Infinite is coming!


EASTER EGGS & GREAT FINDS/THOUGHTS FROM GAFFERS

Did Levine leave hooks in Bioshock for Infinite?

Originally Posted by Neiteio

For the new page: SONGBIRD IS IN BIOSHOCK 1:

You can hear his death cry in Fort Frolic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpmvkZ6TIMk (at the 14 second mark).

For comparison: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsjYmlnP1a4

Booker and Elizabeth were in the Rapture Metro while Jack was dealing with Cohen down in Fort Frolic...

MIND. BLOWN.

Another Video:

Originally Posted by GoddyofAus

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=He84jP5Nuqk

0:52, exactly the same screams in the background, in a non-IGN video, uploaded January last year.

I think this is legit, people.


SongBird Poster

Rapture Tribune

Originally Posted by RisingZan

Just finished the game today, and after reading through the majority of this thread...bravo everyone. I wished the narrative could have been a little more interspersed throughout the game, rather than a huge info dump at the end, but I have to say the concepts and discussions have stuck with me far more than any game in recent memory. I loved the parallels to the other universes (i.e. the songbird is another universe's big daddy, etc.). I especially loved the parallel of the near final ending shot:



Originally Posted by SpacePirate Ridley

When you encounter Elizabeth in the different rooms separated by a window in her tower.

BTW If you see, this is not our real Paris, is Paris in another universe (or in the same one as Columbia) that looks a lot like our real universe but with some differences, like The Return of the Jedi being The Revenge of the Jedi, title is in french (the original name of the film before they changed it to what we know now).
Something similar happens in Fringe when you see a movie marquee with Back to the Future starring Eric Stoltz, that was the first version recorded of the movie before they recasted and gave Marty McFly to Michael J Fox.

Here is the scene:

Originally Posted by sn00zer

The Rapture Bathysphere Keyes


What was the Bathysphere?
The bathyspheres of Rapture are very small, comfortable submersibles, allowing travel between the city's different areas. They are part of the city's transportation network, the Rapture Metro, created by Anton Kinkaide. The Airshell 2 design, the design used in 1960, was built by Fontaine Futuristics. After Rapture society collapsed into Civil War, Andrew Ryan prohibited the use of bathyspheres by anyone outside of his inner circle. Citizens protested at the bathysphere station that linked the bathyspheres to Rapture, and demanded to be allowed out. Obviously, their demands were not met.

We're putting all the bathyspheres in lockdown until further notice.
Ryan had us install some kinda genetic device into the things so only
Ryan and his inner circle will be able to use 'em without dispensation.
But the boys tell me the keys are pretty unreliable. Sisters, cousins-
anybody in the ballpark genetically
will be able to come and go as they
see fit.
http://www.gamefaqs.com/xbox360/9313...ock/faqs/49868

Originally Posted by megalowho

The Principles of Quantum Mechanics, by Rosalind Lutece


The scalps of the Founders from the Vox revolution timeline


Robert and Rosalind enjoying some secret downtime

The Fate of Saltonstall

Originally Posted by SpacePirate Ridley


Saltonstall was one of the choices to be elected for Columbia in the first gameplay video of the game.

In that gameplay video, before he turns crazy, theres a tear in his columbia pin and transforms into one of the symbol of the communist party. That was also the first indication of travel through space and time we saw of the game.

So he was in the that version of Columbia and killed in the Vox Populi rebellion, but we never see him in the final game. Maybe part of the DLC?

Originally Posted by symphonask

I thought it was a neat touch that the priest who baptizes Booker when he first gets to Columbia is the same priest who baptized Booker/Comstock after the battle of wounded knee. If you turn on subtitles, you can see his name is Preacher Witting in both scenes.

BIOSHOCK 1 WRENCH IS USED ON BOOKER! NOW THATS JUST NOT EVEN FAIR!


EXTERNAL RESOURCES

BIOSHOCK A THEMATIC ANALYSIS

http://peripsuche.blogspot.co.uk/201...-analysis.html

GAF DISCUSSION


GORGEOUS GAFFER PIANO COVER OF :Will the circle be unbroken

Rosenskjold

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tbJHihrQY4


Major contributions go to the Doc Browns of this outfit:
MormaPope, Metroidvania, The One Who Knocks
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Wow, you went all out! Looks great.
SmithnCo
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Very nice OP!
ilnadmy
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Fantastic, great collection of all the plot details. Looking forward to some more epic discussion.
Guiz
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Really nice work !
LumpOfCole
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Why not just make an army of songbirds to rule the world?
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(04-01-2013, 11:46 PM)
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didn't we had one?

edit: ohhh I get it

anyway, already discussed the game in the other thread to death and I think we've pretty much covered everything, but i'll pop up here and there, sure
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Originally Posted by SalsaShark

didn't we had one?

anyway, already discussed the game in the other thread to death and I think we've pretty much covered everything, but i'll pop up here and there, sure

The other one had a pretty bad OP that didn't explain anything.
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(04-01-2013, 11:47 PM)
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It feels weird letting the old thread die.

What happens to the soul of one spoiler thread when a new one rises in its place?
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(04-01-2013, 11:47 PM)
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Great thread!
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(04-01-2013, 11:47 PM)
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Posting for new thread:

Originally Posted by Team Klimt

Just watched the Thief trailer and when I saw the lighthouse, I couldn't stop thinking that it was just another Bioshock reality.

#EveryGameIsBioshock

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmKNOtz04-E&hd=1

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(04-01-2013, 11:47 PM)
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Living up to the tag.
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(04-01-2013, 11:47 PM)
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I guess the circle was broken, by and by?
ilnadmy
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(04-01-2013, 11:48 PM)
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Originally Posted by Trigger

What happens to the soul of one spoiler thread when a new one rises in its place?

This new thread opens up an infinite set of universes in which new posters will not have to ask the same question a billion times.
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(04-01-2013, 11:48 PM)
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Y U NO SING SONGBIRD

Originally Posted by Ape_Agape

On last question: How are the Luteces not dead? How can they live long enough (especially since tears/radiation would age them) to see 122/123+ bookers through the Columbia "process"?

They exist "outside" of time, so entropy presumably doesn't affect them.
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(04-01-2013, 11:48 PM)
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Nice OP man. Just finished the game, incredible, altough the last "defend the core while enemies are thrown at you" final battle was disappointing.
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(04-01-2013, 11:48 PM)
post spoiler thread, posted spoiler thread, will post spoiler thread
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(04-01-2013, 11:48 PM)
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This is great now we won't have to keep rehashing things in the other thread!
Guevara
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(04-01-2013, 11:49 PM)
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The gunsmith (and others), does someone have a good explanation of what happened to him, being dead in one world but alive in another?

Edit: his name is Chen-Lin
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Originally Posted by Trigger

It feels weird letting the old thread die.

What happens to the soul of one spoiler thread when a new one rises in its place?

Page like... 5 through the last should just be merged here and that one locked.

It was an awkwardly timed and awkwardly introduced thread. This is the one true king, thanks to based Leeroy.
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(04-01-2013, 11:50 PM)
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Didn't notice the French Star Wars marquee. Pretty cool.
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Originally Posted by Trigger

It feels weird letting the old thread die.

What happens to the soul of one spoiler thread when a new one rises in its place?

We had to smother it out of existence and close the paradox.

Originally Posted by antitrop

Page like... 5 through the last should just be merged here and that one locked.

Yeah I am asking a mod.
Voice of Reason
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(04-01-2013, 11:50 PM)
You forgot to mention Booker is Elizabeth
GoddyofAus
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(04-01-2013, 11:50 PM)
That bit about the Songbirds cries in Fort Frolic coinciding with Elizabeth and Booker being in the Metro, PLEASE be true and intentional because, WOW.
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(04-01-2013, 11:51 PM)
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Great thread. Can't wait to see what other details emerge as more people beat the game and play through it again.
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(04-01-2013, 11:52 PM)
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Brilliant thread. It's certainly an easier way to grasp the story, instead of having to wade through over 70 pages of discussion in the other thread.
sp3000
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(04-01-2013, 11:52 PM)
So does Booker know all of the events that happened previously when he calls annas name at the end

Post credits sequence still doesnt make much sense. What timeline is it taking place in
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Originally Posted by GoddyofAus

That bit about the Songbirds cries in Fort Frolic coinciding with Elizabeth and Booker being in the Metro, PLEASE be true and intentional because, WOW.

I need it to be true sooooo bad.
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(04-01-2013, 11:53 PM)
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Originally Posted by sp3000

So does Booker know all of the events that happened previously when he calls annas name at the end

Post credits sequence still doesnt make much sense.

That's still a grey area I think, but I'm inclined to think he is, just going by the tone of his voice when he calls out her name.

Also it makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside to know that they will live happily every after, so that's what I choose to believe.
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(04-01-2013, 11:54 PM)
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WOW! Incredible OP! This should help answer many questions before they're asked and help close the looping paradox of a circular conversation. ;)
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Originally Posted by sp3000

So does Booker know all of the events that happened previously when he calls annas name at the end

Post credits sequence still doesnt make much sense. What timeline is it taking place in

That's up to you. The possibilities






are INFINITE.
Voice of Reason
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(04-01-2013, 11:54 PM)

Originally Posted by ilnadmy

they will live happily every after, so that's what I choose to believe.

Until he forces her to prostitution when she turns 18, so she can clear his debt.
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Originally Posted by ilnadmy

That's still a grey area I think, but I'm inclined to think he is, just going by the tone of his voice when he calls out her name.

Also it makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside to know that they will live happily every after, so that's what I choose to believe.

I would hold off accepting any final conclusions presented in the OP as "true" for the time being. There are large swaths of unexplained things still. Keep digging.
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Post-credits scene is the Inception top. There's no conclusive answer and there never will be. It's purposefully up to interpretation as the individual player gets to essentially pick their own ending to the story of Booker and Anna.
Dachande
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Great OP, answers all the questions I originally posted in that older thread that'd already been answered dozens of times before.
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(04-01-2013, 11:56 PM)
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If Booker and Comstock's timelines run parallel, and they are the same age, does that mean it took 20 years for the Luteces to contact Booker to get Liz back?
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(04-01-2013, 11:56 PM)
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Nice work.

I'm still reading through multiple theories people have.
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You should definitely mention the fact that Booker is able to operate the bathyspheres


20 Sullivan - Bathysphere Keys

We're putting all the bathyspheres in lockdown until further notice.
Ryan had us install some kinda genetic device into the things so only
Ryan and his inner circle will be able to use 'em without dispensation.
But the boys tell me the keys are pretty unreliable. Sisters, cousins-
anybody in the ballpark genetically will be able to come and go as they
see fit.
http://www.gamefaqs.com/xbox360/9313...ock/faqs/49868
RiccochetJ
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(04-01-2013, 11:57 PM)
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All this does is makes me want to play through this game again and again as discoveries are made. Hell I want to play up to that point in Bio 1 again just to see if I can hear Songbird myself!
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(04-01-2013, 11:57 PM)
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Originally Posted by sn00zer

You should definitely mention the fact that Booker is able to operate the bathyspheres


20 Sullivan - Bathysphere Keys

We're putting all the bathyspheres in lockdown until further notice.
Ryan had us install some kinda genetic device into the things so only
Ryan and his inner circle will be able to use 'em without dispensation.
But the boys tell me the keys are pretty unreliable. Sisters, cousins-
anybody in the ballpark genetically will be able to come and go as they
see fit.
http://www.gamefaqs.com/xbox360/9313...ock/faqs/49868

Absolutely!
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(04-01-2013, 11:58 PM)
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spoilers new thief game takes place in night time columbia

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Originally Posted by sn00zer

You should definitely mention the fact that Booker is able to operate the bathyspheres


20 Sullivan - Bathysphere Keys

We're putting all the bathyspheres in lockdown until further notice.
Ryan had us install some kinda genetic device into the things so only
Ryan and his inner circle will be able to use 'em without dispensation.
But the boys tell me the keys are pretty unreliable. Sisters, cousins-
anybody in the ballpark genetically will be able to come and go as they
see fit.
http://www.gamefaqs.com/xbox360/9313...ock/faqs/49868

In an infinite number of universes, this is maybe a universe where Ryan did not order that genetic lockdown.
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(04-01-2013, 11:59 PM)
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Actually this scene never took place on our timeline.
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Tails
GoddyofAus
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(04-01-2013, 11:59 PM)

Originally Posted by SalsaShark

spoilers new thief game takes place in night time columbia

Oh man, that's pretty brazen.
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(04-02-2013, 12:00 AM)
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Nice to have all the current FAQs all in one neat place, and also to be rid of that awful OP in the other thread haha.
JoeFu
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huh, the songbird in Bioshock is weird... Reading the comments you can only hear it in the IGN video, you can't hear it in this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JG5fg8dxaS8
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(04-02-2013, 12:00 AM)
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Originally Posted by Keyser Soze

Tails

A coin reading tails locked in a cage
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Originally Posted by GoddyofAus

That bit about the Songbirds cries in Fort Frolic coinciding with Elizabeth and Booker being in the Metro, PLEASE be true and intentional because, WOW.

MIND BLOWN.

Video was posted in Aug 2012 - seems legit. Somebody has to go back and confirm this pronto!

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