quickwhips
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Instead of being a cable set top box MS should have made iptv a Microsoft service like Sony is going to do now. I think Kinect is a great way to navigate and getting rid of it now seems silly.
My guess is they would like the 3rd party support and infrastructure it would bring.
But I dont believe its on their radar. That notion of MS selling it to Nintendo is just people assuming XBox Division is done, and now they need to "cut and run"
Forbes Contributor, basically anyone can write a blog for Forbes nowadays.
Let's be honest here. The kinect pushes the price up, but I think the thing driving sales the most is the power difference. If the Xbox was $499.99 with Kinect but was (very slightly) more powerful than PS4 then this would be a different discussion. The PS4 is being sold for $399.99. It is not ridiculous to assume that a $499.99 system that is slightly better (think .1 Tflop or even a bigger HDD) + kinect is feasable and would have done much better in this market. Especially when you consider the launch lineup of games.
I don't understand how Microsoft could release the xbone+kinect system without having a killer Kinect app to go with it. It boggles my mind.
I think they were under the impression that TV was their killer app for Kinect.I don't understand how Microsoft could release the xbone+kinect system without having a killer Kinect app to go with it. It boggles my mind.
Let's be honest here. The kinect pushes the price up, but I think the thing driving sales the most is the power difference. If the Xbox was $499.99 with Kinect but was (very slightly) more powerful than PS4 then this would be a different discussion. The PS4 is being sold for $399.99. It is not ridiculous to assume that a $499.99 system that is slightly better (think .1 Tflop or even a bigger HDD) + kinect is feasable and would have done much better in this market. Especially when you consider the launch lineup of games.
Its not the "more powerful doesn't win the generation." I think that is a red-herring argument.
The console that is cheaper, easier to code for, and has the best games win.
The best games follows the cheapest development (developers more willing to take risks)...if that cheap development is coupled with the most powerful...well...There is little doubt what gamers will gravitate towards.
I don't understand how Microsoft could release the xbone+kinect system without having a killer Kinect app to go with it. It boggles my mind.
Its not the "more powerful doesn't win the generation." I think that is a red-herring argument.
Having a good cvoice UI is not mutually exclusive with having a good controller UI. They can, and should, complement one another. MS is one of the the largest software companies in the world, the idea that they can't design a UI that simultaneously is good for Kinect and for controller users is insulting. Especially since the 360, their own product, already does so.
Steambox is a terrible example to hang your hat on, because they are all going to bomb.
Let's be honest here. You don't actually believe anything you are saying.
I don't understand how Microsoft could release the xbone+kinect system without having a killer Kinect app to go with it. It boggles my mind.
He means they didn't release anything like Dance Central that would get a ton of people to buy an Xbox One to play it. Killer app is another term for system seller.There was and is a good Smartglass app for the X1 from which I started and added some experience to DR3.
What exactly would you want or do you want from a Kinect app that warrants it to be so necessary on top of Smartglass? YOu can't or rather you should not take the functionality away from Kinect to add to a phone, unless you mean an X1 app. d'oh
I'm not even really sure Kinect is the entire issue. The PS4 Cameras have been almost as sold out as the PS4 consoles themselves.
The only way for MS to pull this out is to provide value for the console. Matching price isn't going to cut it. There needs to be something to definitely offset the lesser performance of multiplats. They either need bucketloads of exclusive content (something thats going to get harder and more expensive to get as the PS4 lead increases), or something else.
The performance gap is a very big issue for MS it seems. Kinect, not so much.
I don't understand how Microsoft could release the xbone+kinect system without having a killer Kinect app to go with it. It boggles my mind.
The real question will be if they make the move of a Kintect-less sku, is if MS will blame the consumer on the removal of Kinect and not themselves.
Instead of being snarky, why not tell us what was wrong with his post? Because I thought it was 100% true. I'd have bought an X1 over PS4 if X1 was more powerful and I bet a lot of other people would have too considering it has a far better games library at the moment. Even $100 more than PS4, if X1 was more powerful and it had better versions of every third-party game, there's no doubt in my mind X1 would be doing much, much better than it is now. The reality is Microsoft fucked up. All they had to do was run the clock out but instead threw a brutal Favre-esque TAINT to lose the game.
They have no one to blame but themselves. This gen lasted 8 years (and 7 for Sony) and the entire X1 platform feels like it was hastily put together 18-24 months before launch, while Sony's PS4 feels like it's been in the oven for 3 or 4 years. In fact I remember during their reveals MS said they "started thinking about the successor around 2011"... I think it was 2011. And Sony said like 2009. I can't remember, another terrible post.
Video Game Consoles are not and will never be as practical or multi-use capable as cell phones.
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Kinect has been in existence for FOUR YEARS and has yet to deliver a compelling game use for it. Kinect 1.0 had an install base north of 21+ million and still failed to deliver a compelling use for it.
When can we accept that the kinect is not a worthwhile device for gaming? Please tell me exactly how long we have to wait until yet again we can accept it is not going to add a worthwhile use case to gaming? 1 year? 2 years? 100 years?
Why must the kinect be a mandatory pack-in if there is no game use for it? Why can't MS deliver the OS support for it if that's its only purpose?
There is no logical reason why the kinect must be a mandatory pack-in. It is a peripheral and should be sold as one.
He means they didn't release anything like Dance Central that would get a ton of people to buy an Xbox One to play it. Killer app is another term for system seller.
Long winded post that iterates the same tired arguements
I can't believe that Titanfall doesn't use Kinect at all.
I want to hear more about these water cooler discussions.
Isn't that exactly what's happening? People don't find it appealing so they don't buy it. But MS has to find answers why demand seems to have fallen off and they were pretty much DOA in Europe.
I will buy the ps4 to go along with my Wii U and PC, but I'm also going to be vocal about the crappy peripheral. Especially after those kinect-less SKU rumors.
And yet I doubt anyone in Redmond thinks like you. If dropping Kinect halts the slide , they'll drop it in a heart beat.
Voice commands rarely work for me and my wife and not at all for my kids , there is no TV functionality in the UK ( where electricity is expensive and running a second box all the time to save a single button press on a remote is dumb as he'll ) and no software for it.
I don't know a single person irl who has anything good about the Kinect specific features past that " huh , that's kinda cool" first day shininess.
I hope they can salvage it , I've got one and hope to use it , even if it's only stuff for the kids ( who love Kinect 1) but I fully understand why people want rid of it.
Yeah, a lot of people have decided to move on, and more will continue to. They are moving on right over to PS4. That's a problem and Microsoft needs to deal with it. I guarantee there is no one at Microsoft in meetings saying, "people don't want Kinect? Fuck 'em, they can just not buy our system." Being outside 2-to-1 in their home turf is a huge problem in need of a real solution, and if the problem is Kinect then it needs to become optional.
lol, isn't that what is happening right now?
they created a product that pushes me to their competition after 10 years of liking their consoles.
This post pretty much nails it for me.
I've seen this word used in different contexts lately, what do you mean by it? What does it mean to you?
There's a longer reason that I could go into about why, but I'm not in the mood for a long post.
You okay senju? I'm worried about you
Joking aside you haven't seemed to post as often as usual or are you just in other corners of Gaf?
I don't understand how Microsoft could release the xbone+kinect system without having a killer Kinect app to go with it. It boggles my mind.
Microsoft should admit to a counterfactual? It is a packin. What a weird headline.
I really think people over estimate the appeal of most franchises. Kinect was microsoft's attempt to differentiate the platform for consumers but also their partners. I'm pretty cynical they thought it would ever be good for gaming but my point is that traditional software alone isn't going to turn a low margin consumer electronics device business with a device using a paradigm from 1993 into a windows like revenue stream. Hence kinect.
A little bit of both. The less I say, the less I get sent on vacations, next one in which may be permanent.
Polywho? The Kinect is the only next Gen piece of gear on the market and it will be a cold day in hell before I agree to go without it.
Voice controls, Skype, and fitness center are 3 very worthwhile applications.
PS4 brings nothing new to current Gen. For all intents and purposes it is a PS3 with faster hardware. XB1 is the only system that can do something new and different.
Polywho? The Kinect is the only next Gen piece of gear on the market and it will be a cold day in hell before I agree to go without it.
Voice controls, Skype, and fitness center are 3 very worthwhile applications.
PS4 brings nothing new to current Gen. For all intents and purposes it is a PS3 with faster hardware. XB1 is the only system that can do something new and different.
They aren't cutting Kinect. They put too much money in it and designed the system around it.
I fully believe that Kinect's forced inclusion had nothing to do with games at all. There's a lot of money to made with analytics.