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Ever feel like Marvel could genderswap some roles in their filmverse?

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CorvoSol

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I-isn't it wrong to make a team of all women who are fighting against male chauvinism and then have them pose in the T&A Liefeld pose on the cover?

Yes they are, but it seams people want to see their favorite heroes as an opposite gender which they can get from fanart.

Well, to be fair, Spider-Woman, X-23 and She-Hulk seem to be fairly popular!
I know Spider-Woman isn't a gender flipped Spidey, I'm sorry for making these jokes.

1. Yes, she's now Captain Marvel.
2. I think both Spider-Women are stuck with Sony.
3. Um...
post-credits scene in Captain America
and coming to Age of Ultron, played by one of the Olsens iirc. Also a completely insane person. Apparently Marvel did some legal mumbo jumbo to get the rights to use her.
4. She has the powers of being tiny, and also large. Also, her showing up would be tied to Hank, and Marvel seems to want to avoid Hank.
5. Firestar is a Mutant. Stuck with Fox.

Shoot, I forgot that Firestar was a mutant. But that applies to Scarlet Witch, too! As long as they don't drop the M word, shouldn't they be okay?

They were a great couple

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Almost as if in spite of his name, BRB is far from Beta.
 

DocSeuss

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(Can anyone tell I'm having a terrible day and ya'll are saving me from it? You are. Thanks.)

Or read comics.

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Didn't Jeph Loeb write that one?

This version was better.

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Would Valkyrie make for a good movie? Maybe a Thor spin-off or something. I know next to nothing about her, but she tends to look like a bad-ass.

She is pretty awesome (and a member of the Lady Liberators with She-Hulk and Thundra), but she'd overlap way too much with Thor (key thing to keep in mind: Marvel's filmverse is streamlined, so you don't want two norse characters running around--even Sif doesn't have a chance of getting a movie).

I'm sick of seeing women in superhero films get by with played out Waif Fu tactics. Give me the female version of one punch man.

Pretty much where this all started. Everyone else is like "bahaha, I can fly and punch tanks and stop giant monsters with my fists," and most comic women are like "um, I know kung fu!"

Now, if a movie was going to give us The Raid levels of action, then I wouldn't complain quite so much. But how many actresses in Hollywood are grandmasters of Silat?

You could make a team out of the possibilities without making the male characters female or inventing new ones:

Black Widow
Scarlet Witch
Wasp
She Hulk
Agent 13
Captain Marvel
Kate Bishop
Spider Woman?

Some of them are already the female equivalent of the male character and exist already.

You can also take a number of unpopular female characters and make them popular.

Also, add some female villains, like Madame Masque, Enchantress, or Morgan le Fay.

I've listed reasons why most of those won't work. Agent 13 (Sharon Carter, Peggy Carter's daughter)/Kate Bishop/Black Widow are baseline humans, thus not fitting the 'powerhouse' criteria. She-Hulk works best in a comedy/hulk tech sucks/we already have a hulk. Scarlet Witch is insane and coming soon to an Avengers movie near you. Spider-Woman's tied down at Sony iirc.

So that leaves Ms. Marvel, and unless they give her a power boost, she's nowhere near Thor/Hulk's level.

They were a great couple

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I'm still baffled we've had two uninteresting Thor villains and NOT had Beta Ray Bill yet.

The obvious choice is the correct one. Katee Sackhoff as Captain Marvel needs to be underway yesterday.

Treat it just as seriously as Thor, Cap or Iron Man in terms of budget and marketing, and make her an Avenger, obviously. Do it, Marvel!

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But we've got plenty of better actresses. If "looks the part because she plays tough military characters" is your thing, sure, I guess, but let's not typecast.

Than you want Southpaw.

Works best as a She-Hulk sidekick. Slott proved that. Don't think she could carry her own movie.

Shuri's awesome.

The entire Black Panther concept is as broken as Wonder Woman: from the ground up.

Yes they are, but it seams people want to see their favorite heroes as an opposite gender which they can get from fanart.

As fun as that is, the point here is that there's a big imbalance in gender representation in superhero films right now, and Marvel has a way to remedy that, especially with boring characters who might be more interesting as women.

Wouldn't there be a risk that it then falls into the "men with boobs" trope? Would be better to come up with some new heroes. The female captain America would always stand in the shadow of the male one

Not necessarily. A writer that's conscientious about this (hi, I could totally do this if I wasn't working on another screenplay right now and Marvel actually hired me) could totally render this not a problem. It's not hard, unless you're just an awful writer who can't write women.

I-isn't it wrong to make a team of all women who are fighting against male chauvinism and then have them pose in the T&A Liefeld pose on the cover?

Are you criticizing Art Adams? (The artist of the comics themselves was Frank Cho. Also, the comic featured Red Hulk beating the crap out of the women after playing dead)

Shoot, I forgot that Firestar was a mutant. But that applies to Scarlet Witch, too! As long as they don't drop the M word, shouldn't they be okay?

Marvel wrangled a deal. I'm not entirely sure how. I think it's because of The Ultimates?

In what way? She's super slender and British. I'd rather have someone who's actually american and looks fiercely imposing.

Biel in Blade III gave a better performance than Sackhoff ever has, and she was more physically imposing to boot.
 

Slayven

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The problem with this question and the others abotu why can't "X" be black/asian/whatever, is that people assume there isn't dozens if not triple digits worth of interesting characters that are that minority or whatever. We can't do such and such character because they are "X", but we can sneak them in on the coat tails of this other character.

It's really insutling.
 
After Guardians of the Galaxy sets up the cosmic stuff, they should make a Moondragon+Phyla-Vell as a couple wrecking stuff through space movie. I think they'd have high enough power levels to hang with the Avenger boys.

 
I've listed reasons why most of those won't work. Agent 13 (Sharon Carter, Peggy Carter's daughter)/Kate Bishop/Black Widow are baseline humans, thus not fitting the 'powerhouse' criteria. She-Hulk works best in a comedy/hulk tech sucks/we already have a hulk. Scarlet Witch is insane and coming soon to an Avengers movie near you. Spider-Woman's tied down at Sony iirc.

I think Marvel owns the rights to Spider-Woman. She's not related to Peter Parker at all.
 
But we've got plenty of better actresses. If "looks the part because she plays tough military characters" is your thing, sure, I guess, but let's not typecast.

I just thought Starbuck reminded me a lot of Carol anyway. Who do you think? I always see Yvonne Strahovski thrown around.

I actually think Clare Danes would be good as an actress, but physically, she's a bit waifish to be playing this part:

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Parallax

best seen in the classic "Shadow of the Beast"
Hating on bp has become more common. Interesting. And the birdy bodyswap has been done as well. Valkyrie and that chick who's name I can't remember.
 
I just thought Starbuck reminded me a lot of Carol anyway. Who do you think? I always see Yvonne Strahovski thrown around.

I actually think Clare Danes would be good as an actress, but physically, she's a bit waifish to be playing this part:

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I'd be fine with either Strahovski or Sackhoff.

Maybe get Claire Danes if you need her to ugly-cry.

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Sony probably owns the right to the third and fourth Spider Woman, since their origin is involves Spiderman.

They have nothing in common besides the name.



Yeah, but no one cares about those. As long as Jess is free from their reign, the world will be happy.

Yeah, so Jessica Drew could easily be brought into the MCU. Since she ties in with SHIELD, she could be in a future Captain America/Black Widow flick or in Agents of SHIELD.
 

DocSeuss

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The problem with this question and the others abotu why can't "X" be black/asian/whatever, is that people assume there isn't dozens if not triple digits worth of interesting characters that are that minority or whatever. We can't do such and such character because they are "X", but we can sneak them in on the coat tails of this other character.

It's really insutling.

Hey, if you feel that there are fantastic female powerhouses in the Marvel universe, by all means, tell me about these people. Admittedly, I ignored Power Princess and Thundra because they have terrible names. But I did bring up people like Xenith.

So I don't feel I'm being insulting. I came in with two criteria:

1) Name/concept recognition and simplicity (because we're talking about mainstream audiences here; this is another reason why characters like Spider-Woman wouldn't work)

2) Power (they should be able to go toe-to-toe with Thor/Iron Man/The Hulk; this is why characters like Sharon Carter wouldn't count)

And I dug pretty deep. Absolutely, I'd love to have a movie with M, but she's a mutant. Photon's powers are absurd, and besides, I'd rather see her starring in an Agents of HATE cartoon. The Black Panther origins are screwed up, and besides, a lot of guys in Hollywood want that role; if I was in control of Marvel, I wouldn't want to give up one of, like, three viable black male superheroes, not if I could take one of dozens of generic white males and do something interesting there instead.

After Guardians of the Galaxy sets up the cosmic stuff, they should make a Moondragon+Phyla-Vell as a couple wrecking stuff through space movie. I think they'd have high enough power levels to hang with the Avenger boys.

Phyla-Vell would be fun. Moondragon annoys me for some reason.

I think Marvel owns the rights to Spider-Woman. She's not related to Peter Parker at all.

Maybe they do. I thought all the Spider-stuff was with Sony.

I just thought Starbuck reminded me a lot of Carol anyway. Who do you think? I always see Yvonne Strahovski thrown around.

I actually think Clare Danes would be good as an actress, but physically, she's a bit waifish to be playing this part:

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Well, Biel buffed up. I'm fairly certain any actress sufficiently motivated could do it.

Oddly, though? I'd actually want to go with someone older, like Lena Headey.

Hating on bp has become more common. Interesting. And the birdy bodyswap has been done as well. Valkyrie and that chick who's name I can't remember.

I've always hated him. I mean, one moment, he's king by rite of combat living in a village with huts, one moment, it's like "oh yeah, Wakanda is the most technologically advanced civilization on the planet, blah blah blah." They run this weird racial stereotype line. It's not "African-influenced sci-fi" it's "somehow these savages have amazing technological powers!" Plus, I mean, he's a bit 'too perfect,' as a kung-fu ninja king superhero. Where's the meat of the character? What does he want?

He's like Wonder Woman in that sense. His world just... does not work. At all. He needs a massive revamp.

Valkyrie's done the body swap? When? ._.
 

Parallax

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Yeah, so Jessica Drew could easily be brought into the MCU. Since she ties in with SHIELD, she could be in a future Captain America/Black Widow flick or in Agents of SHIELD.

Thats an origin story that's gonna need some retooling. Cuz damn.
 
They have nothing in common besides the name.



Yeah, but no one cares about those. As long as Jess is free from their reign, the world will be happy.
Ultimate spider woman is a female clone of ultimate peter parker, use the name jessica drew, and if wiki is right, she currently use the alias black widow, yeah I have no idea who own the movie license for this character lol
 

Slayven

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Hey, if you feel that there are fantastic female powerhouses in the Marvel universe, by all means, tell me about these people. Admittedly, I ignored Power Princess and Thundra because they have terrible names. But I did bring up people like Xenith.

So I don't feel I'm being insulting. I came in with two criteria:

1) Name/concept recognition and simplicity (because we're talking about mainstream audiences here; this is another reason why characters like Spider-Woman wouldn't work)

2) Power (they should be able to go toe-to-toe with Thor/Iron Man/The Hulk; this is why characters like Sharon Carter wouldn't count)

And I dug pretty deep. Absolutely, I'd love to have a movie with M, but she's a mutant. Photon's powers are absurd, and besides, I'd rather see her starring in an Agents of HATE cartoon. The Black Panther origins are screwed up, and besides, a lot of guys in Hollywood want that role; if I was in control of Marvel, I wouldn't want to give up one of, like, three viable black male superheroes, not if I could take one of dozens of generic white males and do something interesting there instead.



Phyla-Vell would be fun. Moondragon annoys me for some reason.



Maybe they do. I thought all the Spider-stuff was with Sony.



Well, Biel buffed up.

Oddly, though? I'd actually want to go with someone older, like Lena Headey.
If you going to throw up Photon just becuase she is absurd, lol.
You dug deep and didn't get Sersi? Firebird? Namora/Namorita? Female Starhawk?
 

Sai-kun

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The obvious choice is the correct one. Katee Sackhoff as Captain Marvel needs to be underway yesterday.

Treat it just as seriously as Thor, Cap or Iron Man in terms of budget and marketing, and make her an Avenger, obviously. Do it, Marvel!

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Oh

My

Gawd

YES. PLEASE.

also hell yeah to genderswapped heroes. Wouldn't mind it in the least if it gave us more female heroes.
 
They have an outline to make movies until 2028. I'd rather She-Hulk get her own movie, or at least her own character in Avengers (Like Vision and the Twins will be) over her replacing Hulk.

They might not be as popular but Marvel has a bunch of great female characters to work with, and if they do it right they can fit everyone in.
 

Parallax

best seen in the classic "Shadow of the Beast"
If you going to throw up Photon just becuase she is absurd, lol.
You dug deep and didn't get Sersi? Firebird? Namora/Namorita? Female Starhawk?

Namorita puts us closer to new warriors, so fuck yes to that.
 

Bogus

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She-Hulk's modern incarnation is a far more interesting and well-rounded character than Hulk could ever aspire to be. Plus, a successful comedic She-Hulk film could pave the way for a Power Girl feature. Win / win!
 

Parallax

best seen in the classic "Shadow of the Beast"
She-Hulk's modern incarnation is a far more interesting and well-rounded character than Hulk could ever aspire to be. Plus, a successful comedic She-Hulk film could pave the way for a Power Girl feature. Win / win!

Id love a she hulk movie like I'd love a hercules movie. But when they happen(if in hercs case) they are gonna cut out the funny sexy stuff.
 

DocSeuss

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If you going to throw up Photon just becuase she is absurd, lol.
You dug deep and didn't get Sersi? Firebird? Namora/Namorita? Female Starhawk?

I didn't name everyone. I named the first characters that came to mind. Sersi's already a member of a group, Firebird I'd completely forgotten about, Namor-related characters are off-limits to Marvel, and the 'hawk god' concept is so dumb.

Remember: I was deliberately singling out powerful characters. My criteria was someone who could beat give Thor a fair fight. Most female characters in the marvel universe know kung fu and have element powers.

I browsed a few "most powerful beings in the Marvel Universe" lists. Just about the only female on them was Jean Grey as Pheonix. The other hundred or so were all dudes.

They have an outline to make movies until 2028. I'd rather She-Hulk get her own movie, or at least her own character in Avengers (Like Vision and the Twins will be) over her replacing Hulk.

They might not be as popular but Marvel has a bunch of great female characters to work with, and if they do it right they can fit everyone in.

I wouldn't want She-Hulk to replace Hulk. One of the reasons I wouldn't want to see her in an Avengers movie is because we already have the Hulk. We don't need two Hulks on one team. Gotta vary that stuff up.

or just...you know...show all the other female heroes. No need to distaff anyone.

The vast majority of these characters are terrible.


Mutant. Marvel can't use her for their movies. Under Fox's control.

No need. Marvel has tons of great female characters. Use them.

I did start out by explaining that I wanted people on par with Thor, right? There aren't that many female characters in the Marvel universe on par with Thor, and those that are happen to be primarily X-Men related.

You mean like
Thor Girl
Natasha Stark
Shehulk
Kate Bishop

No, I don't, because these are all female versions of male characters that already exist in the movies.
 

Slayven

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I didn't name everyone. I named the first characters that came to mind. Sersi's already a member of a group, Firebird I'd completely forgotten about, Namor-related characters are off-limits to Marvel, and the 'hawk god' concept is so dumb.

Remember: I was deliberately singling out powerful characters. My criteria was someone who could beat give Thor a fair fight. Most female characters in the marvel universe know kung fu and have element powers.

I browsed a few "most powerful beings in the Marvel Universe" lists. Just about the only female on them was Jean Grey as Pheonix. The other hundred or so were all dudes.
Meggan, Talisman, Moonstone, Her, current Captain Universe, etc. A lot of the uber powerful women are villians. Morgan le Fay, Umar, Siena Blaze etc.
 
I don't think it's a bad idea but taking a quick glance at Marvel's roster, I don't really know if there are many they could swap that it would work well for. Maybe Darkhawk and Nova (I bet Nova would piss people off though). It's kind of weird how many of Marvel's better known female heroes/villains are mutants.
 

DocSeuss

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I'm having a ridiculous amount of fun with this thread. It's helping distract me from some long-standing health issues, for one thing.

Meggan, Talisman, Moonstone, Her, current Captain Universe, etc. A lot of the uber powerful women are villians. Morgan le Fay, Umar, Siena Blaze etc.

I actually mentioned Captain Universe somewhere, villains are left out for obvious reasons, Meggan is a mutant, Talisman deserves to be in Alpha Flight (also, you've mentioned multiple magic users--the films already have Scarlet Witch and will have Stephen Strange), Moonstone's a villain (and would work better as a foil for Ms. Marvel).

Her/Kismet's a thought, though.

I don't think it's a bad idea but taking a quick glance at Marvel's roster, I don't really know if there are many they could swap that it would work well for. Maybe Darkhawk and Nova (I bet Nova would piss people off though). It's kind of weird how many of Marvel's better known female heroes/villains are mutants.

That's why I mentioned Sentry and Mar-Vell. Easiest ones to do. No super attachment, concept has the potential for really interesting storytelling.

Heck, if you really wanted to make things easy, let Maria Hill or some other established movie find the quantum bands and become Quasar.
 
That's why I mentioned Sentry and Mar-Vell. Easiest ones to do. No super attachment, concept has the potential for really interesting storytelling.

Heck, if you really wanted to make things easy, let Maria Hill or some other established movie find the quantum bands and become Quasar.
Yeah, Sentry came to mind too. I didn't mention Mar-Vell or Quasar since there are already female versions of them, but they could start with those versions in the MCU for sure.
 

Bogus

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Id love a she hulk movie like I'd love a hercules movie. But when they happen(if in hercs case) they are gonna cut out the funny sexy stuff.

Ugh, yeah, you're right. I doubt producers would be willing to take a chance on a superhero film (especially a female superhero movie) that was primarily funny, sexy, and clever, rather than action-packed. Sure, include some action, but have it be the side-dish to the superhero law entree, garnished with wacky Single Green Female adventures (inter-dimensional boxing match, anyone?). I honestly think it would work; it'd be fresh, interesting, and a much better fit for the character than the boring ol' "WE MUST STOP <villain> BEFORE THEY <evil plan> OR ELSE <dire consequences>" mainstay. Plus it lends itself well to cameos.

At best, we'd have something truly awesome. At worst, we'd get My Super Ex-Girlfriend 2. And as scary as it is to admit, I'm willing to take that chance if it means we might see a Shulkie feature that does the Jade Giantess justice. But knowing how these things usually go, we'd probably end up with She-Hulk starring Callista Flockheart. (Although I suppose Shulkie would need to be CG anyway, so casting someone petite as Jen would work. Gal Gadot as Wonder Woman, on the other hand...)

I honestly wonder if an atypical plot would be considered less of a "risk" in a Hercules movie, just based on the fact that he's a guy.
 

Parallax

best seen in the classic "Shadow of the Beast"
That's why I mentioned Sentry and Mar-Vell. Easiest ones to do. No super attachment, concept has the potential for really interesting storytelling.

Heck, if you really wanted to make things easy, let Maria Hill or some other established movie find the quantum bands and become Quasar.

if you plan on genderswapping mar-vell. why bother? you might as well just jump straight to carol
 

pants

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Gender swapping is about the lamest thing that can happen FOR women in comics, it's actually a step backwards than an actual female char or an original female char
 

Freshmaker

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They don't need to. Not with Thor Girl, Namorita, Female Wolverene, Spider-Woman, Lady Deadpool etc. They make a female version of the male characters anyway.
 
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