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[Javaman]

There's conflicting stories, one says he maintained his innocence, and another one has his step mother saying he deserved to die for what he did. She either hated him or knew that he was guilty.
According to the court papers he admitted to the murder during his third police interview.

Stepmom-"“This is hurtful,” said Hollins. “He’s got to go. We realize it. Let’s do it. Let’s do it with the right drugs."

Here's the link to the court case...

http://www.ca10.uscourts.gov/opinions/11/11-6040.pdf

Edit: DAMN, convicted and sentenced to the death penalty and 2285 years. That was one terrible guy. It's hard to feel sorry for him.

 

[benjipwns]

Isn't there a federal death penalty?

Yes. Red = death penalty*

EDIT: *As of 2013.

 

[NYCmetsfan]

Romans 10:16
Matthew 7:1
Matthew 5:38-41
Luke 9:54-56
John 8:7

It is clear that, for these purposes to be achieved, the nature and extent of the punishment must be carefully evaluated and decided upon, and ought not go to the extreme of executing the offender except in cases of absolute necessity: in other words, when it would not be possible otherwise to defend society. Today however, as a result of steady improvements in the organization of the penal system, such cases are very rare, if not practically non-existent.

“Today, more than ever, it is urgent that we remember and affirm the need for universal recognition and respect for the inalienable dignity of human life, in its immeasurable value,” Cardinal Bertone wrote on behalf of Pope Francis.

 

[Arrogant Bastard]

Yeah, okay. I thought we were actually talking about the merits of carbon monoxide as an execution tool. Didn't know it was actually gonna be an argument over capital punishment in the US.

How can you possibly discuss the method of X as an execution tool without discussing whether or not capital punishment is acceptable. Honest question.

 

[Ferrio]

The notion there can be a "humane killing" not chosen by the person is absurd.

Warning NSFW, from Monty Python meaning of life.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLctf4o6feQ

Warning NSFW, from Monty Python meaning of life.

 

[rokkerkory]

Wow horrible

 

[inky]

Can you be 100% sure that every person on death row is supposed to be there?

LOL, why let such a small detail get in the way of my search for bloodlust. If innocents have to die unjustly just so I can exact revenge on others it's worth it!

´Murica baby. *shoots guns into the air*

 

[NYCmetsfan]

Warning NSFW, from Monty Python meaning of life.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLctf4o6feQ

Warning NSFW, from Monty Python meaning of life.

As much as this is disgusting (the killing of this man), I love Monty Python

 

[dorkimoe]

Can you be 100% sure that every person on death row is supposed to be there?

Read what this guy did.


I love the defense for this guy. Go read what he did. 4 time felon, raped and murdered a girl who recently graduated high school.

He definitely deserved a better death.

 

[frankie_baby]

It's not even a straw man. The point you're trying to make is beyond ludicrous. There is really no sane way to argue with you.

But it is, a reporter in a war can not try to stop the fighting without risk of himself almost certainly being killed, a reporter covering a state murder has at most the risk of being arrested but at least he will have tried to do the right thing

 

[A-V-B]

http://newsok.com/three-face-charges-in-perry-crime-spree/article/2656291


A four-time felon, Lockett, 38, was convicted of shooting 19-year-old Stephanie Neiman with a sawed-off shotgun and watching as two accomplices buried her alive in rural Kay County in 1999 after Neiman and a friend arrived at a home the men were robbing.



Yeah he deserved better than what he got

Execution is not an excuse for vengeance in a system of law.

Though people do it anyway.

 

[NYCmetsfan]

Read what this guy did.

Would you kill him yourself? Are you that certain? Could you feel fine after the fact?

And who is defending him?

 

[benjipwns]

I love the defense for this guy.

It's not a defense for him, it's a defense for those who don't deserve it.

 

[Guy LeDouche]

Can you be 100% sure that every person on death row is supposed to be there?

"Beyond a reasonable doubt" doesn't mean I have to witness it with my own two eyes. Also, case by case basis is my feeling. I would never say always/never. This isn't getting a moving violation because you were in the intersection when the light changed. He blasted somebody with a sawed off shotgun and then tortured them. If you want to wipe his ass for him while he sits in prison forever that's fine but I don't have time for that.

 

[Haloid1177]

After reading the crimes, don't feel remotely bad about this.

 

[dorkimoe]

Would you kill him yourself? Are you that certain? Could you feel fine after the fact?

If that was my daughter. I would kill him myself.
I would have to follow the case. I'm going to assume they had evidence. But I'm not really going to argue in here because nobody is going to change their mind. The amount of "he deserved better. He was probably innocent" is so sickening and wrong. 4 time felon,, yeah they probably were wrong every time and he was just in the wrong place

 

[Count Dookkake]

Close the blinds!? Don't they want to see the suffering?

 

[Arrogant Bastard]

After reading the crimes, don't feel remotely bad about this.

Well then, Vengence is Haloid, so saith the Lord.

 

[ronito]

Honestly, I have little problem with the death penalty truth be told, the world is just better off without some people in it. I know it's unpopular to say so here on gaf but it's the truth about my opinion. BUT, it just seems to be way too much trouble to be worth it. The cost is ridiculous and no matter what you do a large segment of the population is very uncomfortable with it, then there's the fact that there will be some people that are falsely imprisoned, and things can (and do go wrong) just as they do with everything, there is not one thing in the world that happens perfectly all the time and when an execution goes wrong, it goes VERY wrong. To me it seems an obvious alternative to just let them rot in jail for the rest of their life. Worried about prison over-population? Then stop fucking imprisoning everyone for everything (except white collar crime). I mean honestly, it's really so simple.

 

[Delta Assault]

How can you possibly discuss the method of X as an execution tool without discussing whether or not capital punishment is acceptable. Honest question.

...I seem to be capable of doing it. I must be Superman.

 

[B_Spooky13]

While I don't agree with the way we carry out our Death Penalties (I do believe in certain cases some people just deserve to die), this is pretty bad. But honestly hearing of why he was on Death Row in the first place... I don't feel that bad for him

He shot a 19 yr old woman with a saw-off, then him and his accomplices buried her alive... Yeah fuck that guy

Edit: We need to find a better way to get rid of trash like this. Carbon Monoxide I honestly think is more human.. Sedate them and then let the gas do it's thing

 

[Arkos]

If that was my daughter. I would kill him myself.
I would have to follow the case. I'm going to assume they had evidence. But I'm not really going to argue in here because nobody is going to change their mind. The amount of "he deserved better. He was probably innocent" is so sickening and wrong. 4 time felon,, yeah they probably were wrong every time and he was just in the wrong place

You realize this is exactly why we have our judicial system

 

[Paskil]

If that was my daughter. I would kill him myself.
I would have to follow the case. I'm going to assume they had evidence. But I'm not really going to argue in here because nobody is going to change their mind. The amount of "he deserved better. He was probably innocent" is so sickening and wrong. 4 time felon,, yeah they probably were wrong every time and he was just in the wrong place

I don't see anyone arguing he was innocent. We have a system of justice. Justice does not involve executing someone for a crime, especially when there is even a .00000000001% chance that someone is innocent and might be executed. Leave him to rot for those 2000 years, IDGIF. We DON'T need to execute people. It's expensive, it's cruel and unusual (as evidenced today), and it's taking the easy way out and giving someone an easy out from having to live with their crime for decades.

 

[Konka]

If that was my daughter. I would kill him myself.
I would have to follow the case. I'm going to assume they had evidence. But I'm not really going to argue in here because nobody is going to change their mind. The amount of "he deserved better. He was probably innocent" is so sickening and wrong. 4 time felon,, yeah they probably were wrong every time and he was just in the wrong place

Our society is supposed to be higher than cruel and unusual punishment. Being satisfied with brutal revenge is a detriment to all of our society. It's entirely unacceptable .

 

[AnathemicOne]

...what are you talking about? If executing someone was cruel and unusual in and of itself, the death penalty wouldn't be constitutional in this country. But it obviously is.

Maybe you should reread this Constitution of yours before confusing yourself any further.

 

[NYCmetsfan]

If that was my daughter. I would kill him myself.
I would have to follow the case. I'm going to assume they had evidence. But I'm not really going to argue in here because nobody is going to change their mind. The amount of "he deserved better. He was probably innocent" is so sickening and wrong. 4 time felon,, yeah they probably were wrong every time and he was just in the wrong place

http://www.vox.com/2014/4/29/566489...of-death-sentences-false-convictions-innocent

And nobody is saying he's "probably innocent"

 

[Derwind]

No one deserves to be robbed of life. I mean who decides what someone "deserves"?

The first act of robbery of a life doesn't justify the second act of robbery.

The government sanctioned revenge killings is not a justified act, its an unreasoned, barbaric, kneejerk reaction based on societies hot blooded emotions.

The moment you lose someone dear, there is no justice to be had, no way to make it better for all involved. No way to make it better. The killer doesn't have the right to ask for forgiveness after such an evil act but he/she doesn't deserve to die either.

If the argument is about what people "deserve", I ask you this, what does that word even mean and what authority must you have to make such an extreme judgement call?

 

[Arrogant Bastard]

If that was my daughter. I would kill him myself.
I would have to follow the case. I'm going to assume they had evidence. But I'm not really going to argue in here because nobody is going to change their mind. The amount of "he deserved better. He was probably innocent" is so sickening and wrong. 4 time felon,, yeah they probably were wrong every time and he was just in the wrong place

Great thank you. Guess what I would do the exact same. I would have carried out my vengeance with heinous and sadistic glee if someone had harmed my wife or child.

The thing is, I separate my personal blood lust for vengeance and depravity when it comes to our society. WE should not be in the business of carrying out personal vengeance.

That is supposed to be what makes our system so special, it separates the emotional reaction from the rational reaction.

You realize this is exactly why we have our judicial system

What, no way.

 

[Delta Assault]

Maybe you should reread this Constitution of yours before confusing yourself any further.

I've read it plenty. And while certain methods of capital punishment certainly can be cruel and unusual, and certain categories of people such as the young and the mentally handicapped are exempt... capital punishment itself isn't cruel and unusual.

 

[NYCmetsfan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DF9gSyku-fc

Should have been president

 

[benjipwns]

Shameless quoting shameless requoting:

Are we allowed to just quote ourselves from the death penalty thread from a month ago?

All the talk about costs/benefits, deterrence, hypotheticals, etc. misses the core point. There is no need for the state to be granted the power to murder those within its domain. Claims that this power is necessary for preventative self-defense is a pandora's box.

The amusing or depressing part is that one of the purposes of a codified law and established legal system is to eliminate people taking justice and retribution into their own hands with things like gang/clan/revenge killings. Instead we're all supposed to submit to the system for the benefit of stability and security. So we put the criminals through this elaborate and expensive process just to wind up killing them for revenge in the end.

And regarding bad evidence convicting people:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annie_Dookhan
http://www.abajournal.com/magazine/..._after_a_string_of_shoddy_suspect_and_fraudu/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/22/annie-dookhan-guilty_n_4322917.html
http://www.innocenceproject.org/understand/False-Confessions.php

 

[Haloid1177]

GAF death penalty threads are my faves in my short time here.

 

[PBY]

So, like I said earlier- I'm strongly against all forms of capital punishment.

I really think that we can and should be better.


That said, I can put myself outside of my own shoes and try to at least understand the views of others who support capital punishment as a sad, last resort to a system that's already failed.

What I can't do is engage or understand those who are out there proudly supporting this as some sort of badge of honor.

 

[ronito]

GAF death penalty threads are my faves in my short time here.

Wait til there's a death penalty for not tipping thread.

 

[NYCmetsfan]

I've read it plenty. And while certain methods of capital punishment certainly can be cruel and unusual, and certain categories of people such as the young and the mentally handicapped are exempt... capital punishment itself isn't cruel and unusual.

"Killing some people is OK"

 

[benjipwns]

Wait til there's a death penalty for not tipping thread.

The one justifiable use.

As long as they're circumcised.

 

[Arrogant Bastard]

I've read it plenty. And while certain methods of capital punishment certainly can be cruel and unusual, and certain categories of people such as the young and the mentally handicapped are exempt... capital punishment itself isn't cruel and unusual.

Really, why? Honestly, you're pissing in the wind here. You can not possibly show that capital punishment itself isn't cruel or unusual. You cannot. You understand that right?

GAF death penalty threads are my faves in my short time here.

Very apt, are you going to contribute?

 

[Guy LeDouche]

No one deserves to be robbed of life. I mean who decides what someone "deserves"?

The first act of robbery of a life doesn't justify the second act of robbery.

The government sanctioned revenge killings is not a justified act, its an unreasoned, barbaric, kneejerk reaction based on societies hot blooded emotions.

The moment you lose someone dear, there is no justice to be had, no way to make it better for all involved. No way to make it better. The killer doesn't have the right to ask for forgiveness after such an evil act but he/she doesn't deserve to die either.

If the argument is about what people "deserve", I ask you this, what does that word even mean and what authority must you have to make such an extreme judgement call?

Hmm yase. Freshman year of college. So many good memories.

 

[AnathemicOne]

I've read it plenty. And while certain methods of capital punishment certainly can be cruel and unusual, and certain categories of people such as the young and the mentally handicapped are exempt... capital punishment itself isn't cruel and unusual.

So its alright to spend huge amounts of money and lengthy periods of time to put people through a delayed process with the end result of killing them off to appease the victims? In 2014?

 

[Delta Assault]

Really, why? Honestly, you're pissing in the wind here. You can not possibly show that capital punishment itself isn't cruel or unusual. You cannot. You understand that right?

...um, the fact that capital punishment is constitutional shows that it isn't cruel or unusual. See, we've got this thing here called the Supreme Court, and they look at constitutional issues sometimes, and hey...

*inserts Schoolhouse Rock episode*

 

[Effnine]

Read what this guy did.


I love the defense for this guy. Go read what he did. 4 time felon, raped and murdered a girl who recently graduated high school.

He definitely deserved a better death.

Who is defending this guy? Being against the death penalty does not mean that you want all criminals to run around doing whatever ...

 

[frankie_baby]

The one justifiable use.

As long as they're circumcised.

How about the death penalty for doctors and rabbis performing circumcisions, they molest and mutilate babies ffs

 

[Haloid1177]

Very apt, are you going to contribute?

Nope. I love GAF and my time here but the political threads are generally nasty places I read and don't post, mainly because it's silly to post countless arguments when everyone feels superior to the other.

 

[Kai Dracon]

Considering the person's crimes, it's the perfect moment for the sliding bar of morality to be trotted out and provide an excuse to gloat over the botched execution.

Like, some say they don't feel so bad after finding out just how this man killed someone. How does that even work? If the guy had killed a bit more politely, then he would have deserved a more civilized obliteration?

 

[Princess Carl]

Hmm yase. Freshman year of college. So many good memories.

username quote.

 

[NYCmetsfan]

...um, the fact that capital punishment is constitutional shows that it isn't cruel or unusual. See, we've got this thing here called the Supreme Court, and they look at constitutional issues sometimes, and hey...

*inserts Schoolhouse Rock episode*

It shouldn't be. The supreme court has made mistakes. Dread scott, McCleskey v. Kemp, Plessy, etc.

I mean if you want to defend the state killing of criminals by all means do so. Just don't do it with a pure appeal to authority

 

[AnathemicOne]

...um, the fact that capital punishment is constitutional shows that it isn't cruel or unusual. See, we've got this thing here called the Supreme Court, and they look at constitutional issues sometimes, and hey...

*inserts Schoolhouse Rock episode*

Yeah because SCOTUS is never wrong...

 

[Derwind]

Hmm yase. Freshman year of college. So many good memories.

Im entirely confused at what you're implying. My freshman year in uni was 2009....

You eager to clarify? No?

 

[Paskil]

...um, the fact that capital punishment is constitutional shows that it isn't cruel or unusual. See, we've got this thing here called the Supreme Court, and they look at constitutional issues sometimes, and hey...

*inserts Schoolhouse Rock episode*

Many of the prior methods that were used for capital punishment have been ruled unconstitutional, what makes you think the same will not happen with lethal injection?

It shouldn't be. The supreme court has made mistakes. Dread scott, McCleskey v. Kemp, Plessy, etc.

SO MUCH FUCKING THIS

Hell, someone was executed in the 1800's for aiding a runaway slave. THAT SURE IS SOME JUSTICE, HURHURHUR

 

[Coins]

Punishment fit the crime, so glad justice was served.

Next up.

Yep. Not much more to say.