uncleniccius
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Where does this happen? Just curious.
I'm not an expert, but I'm pretty sure a lot of games in China are banned, and I think(?) Spec Ops had this kind of situation in the United Arab Emirates. I'd have to check though.
Where does this happen? Just curious.
This is possibly the funniest post I've seen on GAF. You're justifying stealing (piracy IS stealing) because a company will be fine anyway.
I'm off to steal $1,000,000 from Bill Gates because "he'll be fine anyway".
Once again, that assumes every pirated copy is a lost sale and lost profit. Which is not necessarily true.
Let's assume a person spends X (X can even be 0) on videogames in a month and pirates the rest. Now, for some reason, piracy miraculously disappears. Would he pay X + $60 a month? I don't think most people would.
Yep, that's exactly what I said and it's clearly not some childish generalization you created to try to trivialize someone.
Yes, you're totally correct! There's no way to prove or disprove it. In some cases it will be true, in others it won't. But in the case of those cases where it is true, does it make it morally right? Is it morally right to say to yourself "well, I'm not buying this game anyway. I might as well just steal it."?
This is possibly the funniest post I've seen on GAF. You're justifying stealing (piracy IS stealing) because a company will be fine anyway.
I'm off to steal $1,000,000 from Bill Gates because "he'll be fine anyway".
Yes, you're totally correct! There's no way to prove or disprove it. In some cases it will be true, in others it won't. But in the case of those cases where it is true, does it make it morally right? Is it morally right to say to yourself "well, I'm not buying this game anyway. I might as well just steal it."?
I wasn't discussing the morality of piracy with you, so I don't know why you even brought that up.
Well the moral question is relevant. If there's no moral issue, than surely everyone would therefore pirate their games?
Software "piracy" IS copying. You should look up the definition of stealing.
Software "piracy" IS copying. You should look up the definition of stealing.
People who steal games, movies, music etc. most likely do not consider any moral dilemma when doing so. It's simply, "It's there. I think I'll download it." Remember when the RIAA sued music downloaders that included old people and children? Are they scum based on some sort of moral imperative?
I'm exaggerating what you said to get my point across. You pretty much justified piracy because Ubi will be fine anyway, it wasn't meant to be taken literally.
Lots of people debate whether piracy is stealing, and there's a good reason for why it is in a lot of cases. There are people who can afford to pay for it and don't, and if piracy didn't exist would - thus piracy loses corporations money, and thus, in a lot of cases is stealing (this is my interpretation, others may disagree).
It started with you saying "The only reason software is ludicrously expensive is because of piracy." Morality doesn't really have anything to do with it. Also it's boring to discuss, since it's ultimately subjective.
It's not when the act of copying results in an increased marginal cost for the seller.
And the people who think piracy = a direct loss of sale should be less sanctimonious about it considering there is only contentious data that corroborates that direct scenario and it makes them look like a laughable corporate vanguard.
Stealing:Software "piracy" IS copying. You should look up the definition of stealing.
There is no way Ubisoft would install malware on people's computers. The fallout if traced back to them would be phenomenal and irreparable for their reputation, no matter where the game came from. They might include a snidy little message or something but they wouldn't do this. No way.
There isn't any. lolI'd like some actual proof rather than just a post from 4chan to be honest.
It doesn't increase their cost in any way.
There isn't any. lol
What I meant was that Ubisoft worked up their PR to spread the news that pirated version has bitcoin mining virus.
I didn't say that piracy is always a lost sale, but rather that in a lot of cases it is.
I pay for my games, this isn't me taking the moral high road, but when sequels to games aren't getting made because it was only just profitable.. it is awful to think that people who played the game, much like me are sometimes stopping them because they are not willing to pay for the content that they're getting served.
And that's my main problem, some people are taking the content quite happily, but not willing to pay for it despite consuming it. Back to the point, that's why I feel that if there is a giant virus in a pirated game, they have no right to be angry, because if they had done the right thing it would have been avoided.
By the way, I have no quarrel whatsoever with you, I just find piracy SUPER frustrating as a paying customer.
You should probably find things like walled gardens, possible anti-net neutrality laws, region locking, paid advertorials/untrustworthy journalism, stealth marketers, pre-order culture, outright publisher greed, iteration development more frustrating as a game-playing consumer than some kids downloading Watch_Dogs from The Pirate Bay.
It's not like fake virus filled torrents are new things. Imagine threads with POPULAR_NEW_GAME torrent secretly installing BAD_THINGS for about every game ever.
even the pirated version has exclusive content.
Stealing:
: to take (something that does not belong to you) in a way that is wrong or illegal
: to take (something that you are not supposed to have) without asking for permission
: to wrongly take and use (another person's idea, words, etc.)
Take:
: to get into one's hands or into one's possession
I dunno, sure fits the definition of stealing.
I don't like most of those things, I really don't, but it doesn't mean that piracy doesn't annoy me.You should probably find things like walled gardens, possible anti-net neutrality laws, region locking, paid advertorials/untrustworthy journalism, stealth marketers, pre-order culture, outright publisher greed, iteration development more frustrating as a game-playing consumer than some kids downloading Watch_Dogs from The Pirate Bay.
Your feelings are your feelings though.
Stealing (taking) something implies that the original owner is no longer in possession of the thing in question.
Software "piracy" is copying, not stealing.
Stealing (taking) something implies that the original owner is no longer in possession of the thing in question.
No, what you've written could be described as borrowing.
Stealing is taking another person's propety without permission or legal right and without intending to return it.
Why do people think that products without physical cost can be stolen? A product is a product. Regardless of cost to the manufacturer.
Only one of those things makes him pay to cover the cost of someone else's game. With everything else the game is the same for all that buy it the same way. Fair. Piracy changes that equality.
That is wrong. You can't steal watch_dogs through a torrent.
You are making a copy of the game, this can be repeated a infinite of times.
You are taking someone's property without their permission.
No. You are making a copy.
That is wrong. You can't steal watch_dogs through a torrent.
You are making a copy of the game, this can be repeated a infinite of times.
The best 'piracy trolling' I've seen was when my friend tried to download Mafia on the PC. The link and .zip file said Mafia, but inside the file the installer and documentation were for Fallout Tactics: Brotherhood of Steel. However, upon installing the game, it turned out on booting it up to be Commandos 2: Men of Courage.