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Watch_Dogs Torrent secretly installing a Bitcoin miner on thousands of computers
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Yep, that's exactly what I said and it's clearly not some childish generalization you created to try to trivialize someone.
CouchMaster
Member
This explains why the game runs like ass on Nvidia cards compared to AMD cards 
Yes, you're totally correct! There's no way to prove or disprove it. In some cases it will be true, in others it won't. But in the case of those cases where it is true, does it make it morally right? Is it morally right to say to yourself "well, I'm not buying this game anyway. I might as well just steal it."?
uncleniccius
Member
I'm exaggerating what you said to get my point across. You pretty much justified piracy because Ubi will be fine anyway, it wasn't meant to be taken literally.
Lots of people debate whether piracy is stealing, and there's a good reason for why it is in a lot of cases. There are people who can afford to pay for it and don't, and if piracy didn't exist would - thus piracy loses corporations money, and thus, in a lot of cases is stealing (this is my interpretation, others may disagree).
YianGaruga
Banned
I wasn't discussing the morality of piracy with you, so I don't know why you even brought that up.
Software "piracy" IS copying. You should look up the definition of stealing.
People who steal games, movies, music etc. most likely do not consider any moral dilemma when doing so. It's simply, "It's there. I think I'll download it." Remember when the RIAA sued music downloaders that included old people and children? Are they scum based on some sort of moral imperative?
Well the moral question is relevant. If there's no moral issue, than surely everyone would therefore pirate their games?
Saintguine
Member
I'd like some actual proof rather than just a post from 4chan to be honest.
YianGaruga
Banned
It started with you saying "The only reason software is ludicrously expensive is because of piracy." Morality doesn't really have anything to do with it. Also it's boring to discuss, since it's ultimately subjective.
BurnOutBrighter
Banned
The "copying" argument is a cheap semantic loophole out of calling it theft. The original definition of stealing never accounted for digital goods.
It's not when the act of copying results in an increased marginal cost for the seller.
No idea, not for me to judge. I don't see how someone's background should affect their moral compass, though. I'm by no means an expert in software piracy but aren't firms like the RIAA and MPAA going after the pirate distributors over the downloaders themselves? I'm not sure how someone can excuse someone else who hosts pirated content for others to download.
And the people who think piracy = a direct loss of sale should be less sanctimonious about it considering there is only contentious data that corroborates that direct scenario and it makes them look like a laughable corporate vanguard in the process.
It's one of the reasons, sure. And if +1 pirate costs the seller +1 server, as a crude example, they'll have to make that money somewhere else.
YianGaruga
Banned
It doesn't increase their cost in any way.
MrTroubleMaker
Member
lol
uncleniccius
Member
I didn't say that piracy is always a lost sale, but rather that in a lot of cases it is.
I pay for my games, this isn't me taking the moral high road, but when sequels to games aren't getting made because it was only just profitable.. it is awful to think that people who played the game, much like me are sometimes stopping them because they are not willing to pay for the content that they're getting served.
And that's my main problem, some people are taking the content quite happily, but not willing to pay for it despite consuming it. Back to the point, that's why I feel that if there is a giant virus in a pirated game, they have no right to be angry, because if they had done the right thing it would have been avoided.
By the way, I have no quarrel whatsoever with you, I just find piracy SUPER frustrating as a paying customer.
Stealing:
: to take (something that does not belong to you) in a way that is wrong or illegal
: to take (something that you are not supposed to have) without asking for permission
: to wrongly take and use (another person's idea, words, etc.)
Take:
: to get into one's hands or into one's possession
I dunno, sure fits the definition of stealing.
ambar_hitman
Member
What I meant was that Ubisoft worked up their PR to spread the news that pirated version has bitcoin mining virus.
The Grim Heaper
Member
There isn't any. lol
AlteredForms
Banned
"We have a right to be pirates and plunder millions of revenue from hard working games developers."
Would be funny if somebody tried to sue the person who put out this copy of the game.
Would be funny if somebody tried to sue the person who put out this copy of the game.
What about server occupancy? Maybe not in the case of Watch Dogs (I don't know the game well enough) but certainly in others. What about customer support?
Saintguine
Member
Oh, I see. I thought you meant they actually spread the virus themselves.
Yeah, I can see them doing that.
You should probably find things like walled gardens, possible anti-net neutrality laws, region locking, paid advertorials/untrustworthy journalism, stealth marketers, pre-order culture, outright publisher greed, iteration development more frustrating as a game-playing consumer than some kids downloading Watch_Dogs from The Pirate Bay.
Your feelings are your feelings though.
Andodalf
Banned
Why do people think that products without physical cost can be stolen? A product is a product. Regardless of cost to the manufacturer.
Only one of those things makes him pay to cover the cost of someone else's game. With everything else the game is the same for all that buy it the same way. Fair. Piracy changes that equality.
Only one of those things makes him pay to cover the cost of someone else's game. With everything else the game is the same for all that buy it the same way. Fair. Piracy changes that equality.
The best 'piracy trolling' I've seen was when my friend tried to download Mafia on the PC. The link and .zip file said Mafia, but inside the file the installer and documentation were for Fallout Tactics: Brotherhood of Steel. However, upon installing the game, it turned out on booting it up to be Commandos 2: Men of Courage.
BurnOutBrighter
Banned
Wait, people are indignant about a bitcoin virus hidden in their pirated videogame?
FunkyLounge
Member
Stealing (taking) something implies that the original owner is no longer in possession of the thing in question.
Software "piracy" is copying, not stealing.
uncleniccius
Member
I don't like most of those things, I really don't, but it doesn't mean that piracy doesn't annoy me.
No, what you've written could be described as borrowing.
Stealing is taking another person's propety without permission or legal right and without intending to return it.
BurnOutBrighter
Banned
Not really. You could have your bank account and credit card details stolen and used illegally, all while your credit card is in your pocket.
Applying theft to physical goods only is a narrow and incorrect definition.
That is wrong. You can't steal watch_dogs through a torrent.
You are making a copy of the game, this can be repeated a infinite of times.
Let me ask you this: Do you think that publishers would drop current prices if piracy was magically made inconvenient or eliminated entirely? Speculative scenario, obviously.
You are taking someone's property without their permission. Let's use an example. Say you were a professional photographer and I copied one of your photos and put it in my own portfolio. And let's say I'm making money off it too, and you're not getting a dime. Have I stolen from you? Would you be pissed?
No. You are making a copy.
check my edit ^
You're stealing someone's intellectual property.
ebullientprism
Member
Thats actually trolling towards the positive side.
You torrent an average game. You think in its place you got an amazing game. And then in its place its GOAT game.
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