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Watch_Dogs Torrent secretly installing a Bitcoin miner on thousands of computers
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Delusibeta
Banned
PAULINK
I microwave steaks.
why don't you go find out and report back to us.
I don't want to be a snitch but I know one that has been edited
Haha. Much Blue Screen, So Crashing.
I still think it's so damn funny when certain people on NeoGAF act all high and mighty against 4chan like there's that much separating this community and that one outside of better moderation here and anonymity there. I get that it deserves a grain of salt because there's no proof unless you do it or see it yourself, but their conjecture and ours is worth about the same otherwise.
xBladeM6x
Member
I love when people don't take into account, that many people pirate to benchmark the game on their system and decide if they'll purchase it based on that. If it runs like shit or they don't enjoy it, they delete it. If they do enjoy it, or runs well, they buy it. It's amazing how no one considers this.
Delusibeta
Banned
If the source is 4chan, 99.99% of the time it's complete bullshit. Besides, if there was a duff torrent (for anything), there's going to be comments about how it's duff all over its page on The Pirate Bay.
Lol
I actually checked the story - it isn't accurate.
ricardo_sousa11
Member
This is amazing...
Im not even mad, its trully amazing and clever !
Im not even mad, its trully amazing and clever !
Intheflorsh
Banned
lmao
"winlogin"
So appropriate this happens with a torrent of Watch Dogs.
"winlogin"
So appropriate this happens with a torrent of Watch Dogs.
Aces&Eights
Member
I disagree. I wholeheartedly support any action taken against thieves. People who pirate are stealing. They might try and justify their motivation by claiming games are too expensive or they have been burned on crappy games in the past and to that I say get a job and watch a Letsplay before buying.
Not only am I glad that their computers got the virus I wish it also took all sensitive material from their hard drive, I.E., nude photos, financial records and home addresses and posted then to all the chans. Nothing is worth than the self entitled who feel they can take whatever they want without consequences.
Fuck them.
Night_Trekker
Member
Just warned a guy on my Steam list playing a torrented version.
No they aren't. They're breaking copyright law.
I agree, though maybe not for the same reasons.
No they aren't. They're breaking copyright law.
I agree, though maybe not for the same reasons.
Denton
Member
Just to fix the wrong in this post:
1) CD Projekt was in dire financial straits BEFORE Witcher 2 was released, and the cause of that was attempted console port of Witcher 1. They had to cancel it, let go many people and pay back Atari, barely surviving
2) Witcher 2 has been immensely successful on PC, and it is thanks to that sucess, piracy or not, that CD Projekt was able to build second team for Cyberpunk, and make first team bigger than it has ever been, for Witcher 3
3) CDP know far too well that not every pirated copy is a lost sale, and many pirates can be converted into paying customers. Because many pirates are pupils and students, who only start buying games when they get their own income. Acting as if each copy pirated = lost sale is stupid.
Was thinking the same thing. Delicious irony.
simplythebest
Banned
Circle Jerk
Member
The amount of hoops you need to jump through to make taking a product that isn't yours not stealing is incredible. If you pirate a game you are stealing it. If you go into a store and take a game do you think you'll be arrested for theft or breaking copyright law? Why is it that when it turns digital it isn't theft?
I seriously enjoy the anger in that guys post, when its likely the vast majority of the people playing some stolen version of the game don't own a copy of it.
I seriously enjoy it that theres starting to become draw backs for people stealing like that. I know the publishers have issues too, its not a perfect world, but I have zero sympathy for people just stealing shit.
If you go into a store and take a game you are effectively removing something they own. That's stealing. Piracy keeps the original exactly where it was all along. It isn't stealing.
Because *legally* something has to be taken that permanently deprives the other of it for it to be theft.
Give me a break. Yes I'm sure there are 5 people out there who do this.
Ah yes the Cdpr example, the white knights of pc gaming. I love cdpr as much as the next guy bit they benefit from lower costs due to their location of business and it isn't feasible for every company to do this.
Also the 1 pirated copy =/= 1 lost sale argument is so old and ridiculous. Of course that's true but there is a cost and lost sales overall. Students do game and can *gasp* pay for entertainment. Or are all pirates completely poor with their gaming PC's they paid for. It's just silly example after silly example in your post.
I was a student at one time and I had a gaming PC and I also paid for software. I know it's crazy.
Death Penalty
Member
I'm not usually one to applaud at the misfortune of others, but if this really did bork the computers of a few people who decided they would go ahead and steal the game, I won't shed any tears. They brought it on themselves.
I do it. I actually stopped playing 30 minutes into the game after realizing I enjoyed it and plopped down $60 for a pre-order. Yes, the ratio is low for people who actually end up buying the game, but it's really not as low as you make it out to be. I've even talked to two other people who did the same, placing pre-orders for the PS4 version after trying it on PC.
And I have to say about the bitcoin thing, hilarious. I got my version a few days ago (non-torrent version) and checked task manager after running the game the first time for hidden processes. However, I don't understand how people are applauding. The pirates are still getting their games and the person responsible for spreading the pirated game gets money. After all, this isn't much different that the risks pirates typically take by downloading stuff they have no clue about whether or not it contains a virus.
jacksepticeye
Member
Damn internet y'alls are serious
Woo-Fu
Banned
The problem is proving the link, at least if you want to use that as evidence.
So you admit to piracy? That's silly. There is a review out there for every major release and a simple Google search will give you fps results for your hardware or something close. There is zero reason to pirate besides I want something free.
Content can be bought in almost all cases even if out of region.
This is a terrible example because all of CDPR current and future games are going to be DRM free. So they were about to go bankrupt because of piracy therefore they decided fuck DRM? Makes no sense.
I do agree that piracy hurts companies, just not with the example you gave.
I can understand someone wanting to play the PC version without having to deal with UPlay, but if it were me I'd just buy a legit copy and find a way to crack UPlay off of it, or pay for a copy of the game somewhere and then download the torrent. Have you ever tried to install a game through UPlay (not a UPlay game on Steam, just UPlay)? It's bullshit.
That's just one example of piracy being a service issue a lot of the time. People might not want to deal with intrusive DRM, or always-online DRM. It's the main reason I still haven't bought Diablo III. Steam has worked around this by providing enough value with DRM software that creates minimal inconvenience. Many people pirate because it's actually the quickest and easiest way to acquire media, regardless of whether they pay for it. I've seen people who pirated all their music switch to iTunes simply because it became a smoother process.
An interesting case is the PC version of Max Payne 3 and how pirates managed to cut down on the download size compared to the official digital version. MP3 on PC is like 35GB partly because it has so many audio languages. Torrents for the game from what I hear give you the option to download just one language, significantly decreasing the size of the download.
Lastly you've got the issue of markets. Some people might live in much poorer countries were far fewer people can afford the local official price. Some might live in countries where the game isn't available at all, or is censored, so they gotta get around region locking. Then you've got Australia where people deal with those issues and having to pay like $90 for the standard edition.
The only times I've ever pirated or cracked PC games are when I didn't want to have to insert the disc every time I played my legit retail copies of COD4 and Crysis, and when that Deus Ex Human Revolution preview build got leaked. Playing about 30 minutes of that pirate preview build convinced me to pre-order the game.
Of course you've also got people who are just addicted to getting games for no money, but it's different for everybody.
That's just one example of piracy being a service issue a lot of the time. People might not want to deal with intrusive DRM, or always-online DRM. It's the main reason I still haven't bought Diablo III. Steam has worked around this by providing enough value with DRM software that creates minimal inconvenience. Many people pirate because it's actually the quickest and easiest way to acquire media, regardless of whether they pay for it. I've seen people who pirated all their music switch to iTunes simply because it became a smoother process.
An interesting case is the PC version of Max Payne 3 and how pirates managed to cut down on the download size compared to the official digital version. MP3 on PC is like 35GB partly because it has so many audio languages. Torrents for the game from what I hear give you the option to download just one language, significantly decreasing the size of the download.
Lastly you've got the issue of markets. Some people might live in much poorer countries were far fewer people can afford the local official price. Some might live in countries where the game isn't available at all, or is censored, so they gotta get around region locking. Then you've got Australia where people deal with those issues and having to pay like $90 for the standard edition.
The only times I've ever pirated or cracked PC games are when I didn't want to have to insert the disc every time I played my legit retail copies of COD4 and Crysis, and when that Deus Ex Human Revolution preview build got leaked. Playing about 30 minutes of that pirate preview build convinced me to pre-order the game.
Of course you've also got people who are just addicted to getting games for no money, but it's different for everybody.
prag16
Banned
If it's the one I think you're talking about, he bought the game, but got antsy and downloaded it early so that he could play it before his key unlocks on Tuesday.
Not exactly the same thing as straight up stealing the game, to be fair.
The sales this year were back to normal levels , last year was their best ever sales wise and the game wasn't cracked for 6 months.
While I agree with your examples as being true your one mistake here is that games or entertainment are somehow a right and if you can't afford all the games you want or don't like how they are packaged then it's ok to pirate them or that's a valid excuse. It's not. Imho if you can afford a pc and Internet connection you can afford to pay for your games in any region. If you can't afford every game you want then wait till they are cheaper. No one has a right to free content/ip.
test_account
XP-39C²
How does this compare to previous Football Manager games?
EDIT: Nevermind, i see that you replied to it above here.
cripterion
Member
Just like many people who bought the game a while ago on Steam. Valve didn't even start the preload process.
MrCookiepants
Member
What exactly is a bitcoin miner? There are a few people in my Steam friends list who I might want to warn.
prag16
Banned
I'm sure there are people that honestly "pirate" for that reason, for games that don't have demos. May not very may.. but who knows for sure.
It most certainly is not allowed, and if you see things like that, you should report them instead of just assuming that what they're doing is allowed or that they're getting a pass or whatever. Send me or other mods a PM with stuff you've seen.
Being Watch Dogs, that'd be perfect.
lol
It's rare that I'll do it, but it's mainly because reviews do nothing for me. I think the last game I attempted to do it for was AC:IV, but found it on sale for $30 so just bought it (and ended up enjoying it, despite the sailing) and before that I can't remember what game it was. I think it was as far back as Sims 3, which was a weird one as I already bought it but was eager to play (I also ended up buying the game again on Mac). People play differently and in some games you really need a feel for the controls and such. I understand devs don't like doing demos as it takes extra work, it doesn't always work well with the genre or other valid reasons, but I really do miss them.
I love that Sony has the hour long trials for PS+ subscribers, so I can at least try out games that have already been released and have held out for. If it weren't for demos, I wouldn't have picked up inFamous or Arkham Asylum and wouldn't have been a customer of their follow up games (though I wish FC2 had one because I would have passed on that, as I found it poor, despite generally good reviews).
EDIT: Also, I posted this, thought about the subject and had to laugh at the fact my avatar is Bret wearing an eye-patch, looking quite piratey.
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