Oh, I see what you mean. I thought you were implying it was less of a legal issue because of how big they are.
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Oh, I see what you mean. I thought you were implying it was less of a legal issue because of how big they are.
Vigilant Gambit
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Lol, I don't care that much. I just hate to see FUD being spread, so I try to put a stop to it when I can. I happen to know a thing or two about bitcoin, so I try to help others understand it when I can.
Anyway, I could sit here debating you, but like I said, I don't care that much.
No problem. I updated my post with another video that helps clarify some stuff, and more importantly can explain why this technology is so important.
There really isn't very much reason to obsess over the technology unless you're the type of dude who would've gotten excited about TCP/IP back in the day. Bitcoin is still in beta.
Thing is, I really doubt that you wouldn't take legal action for IP theft if it involved you. I don't think Ubi should act any different.
Hamster Plugin
Member
The video you posted is full of nothing but positive encouragement which is a bad thing when talking about bitcoins. For example, the part where it says that many exchanges are set up where you can trade bitcoins for real currencies. It doesn't mention that the biggest exchange stole everyone's money this year. You are trusting random people that coded an exchange system, and because bitcoins are not regulated in any way the police won't care if your shit gets stolen. When you go into bitcoins, you go outside the law where only the libertarian "fuck you, got mine" ideology applies.
WrenchNinja
Member
The only reason? REALLY?
OldAsUrSock
Banned
No, Ubisoft used the cracked game instead of their own and I was not sure if that version worked online since it was a crack.
Exploratory
Banned
Well, I can't speak for every software company, but it's probably the main reason for most of them, yeah. How else do they recoup costs?
IMACOMPUTA
Member
So maybe the game runs better than everyone on gaf said, since they were giving up 25% CPU 
MrFrankFontaine
Banned
That's awesome.
legacyzero
Banned
This thread has been a fun read.
So maybe the game runs better than everyone on gaf said, since they were giving up 25% CPU
This is a good point. Imagine how it runs without the mining hahaha!!
Yep, I must have single-handedly motivated every person in here to post about piracy. More asinine drive-by thread shitting and it figures you would quote the person who literally took a shit, contributed nothing and left.
It's probably a lot more profitable than miners on android devices
BruiserBear
Banned
This sounds like the kind of rumor Ubisoft would be smart to start in hopes of limiting piracy.
Exploratory
Banned
No you didn't single handedly do anything but your stance on piracy doesn't help.
Of course you're free to hold any stance you want I just think it sucks.
I think there is not enough non-contentious data to support claims about piracy's actual affect on AAA publishers and the faux-sanctimonious "I would never pirate X game but maybe ROMs and stuff", "Piracy is the sole reason games are expensive" shit makes my eyes roll so much I almost fall out of my chair.
Is there enough evidence to support the counterclaim?
Vigilant Gambit
Member
Here's a followup video.
If you're willing to put in the work, then you can figure out on your own that all of your concerns have already been addressed. I won't spoonfeed you the information because, like I said, it's in beta, and you don't really need to worry about it yet.
If piracy has that much of an affect on the AAA game industry as they claim then the burden of proof is on them. Me being skeptical of what rich old men in a boardroom say affects their pocketbook does not require evidence.
sciencerob
Member
People are actually defending pirates here. I guess some people don't care about stealing a companies property if it doesn't impact them. Do any pirate defenders happen to own a store with products I can acquire free of charge?
Vigilant Gambit
Member
Here are a few articles on the philosophy of piracy that I think speak to how pirates actually think.
Piracy and the four currencies
Piracy and the four currencies, part 2
Pay what you want and the four currencies
Free to play and the four currencies
Piracy and the four currencies
Piracy and the four currencies, part 2
Pay what you want and the four currencies
Free to play and the four currencies
Symax
Member
I don't get the feeling that you are interested in a constructive discussion. You are just defending your ideologies.
How are the physical contents of a store connected with pirating, other than the time-wasting "it's the same morally" thing we've addressed like three times? If you have something that proves that piracy = same thing as a stolen good from a store, feel free to show it.
Here's something I'll show, from the article posted by Vigilant Gambit:
I've only read the first one, but it was such a good read. I was actually going to post the same thing. It's a good read for both sides of piracy argument also.
vagabondarts
Member
I think this is hilarious as well as meta.
Don't understand people who spend thousands on computers and then steal games to play on them.
Just buy the game if you want to play it. It looks amazing.
Don't understand people who spend thousands on computers and then steal games to play on them.
Just buy the game if you want to play it. It looks amazing.
keltickennedy
Member
Uplay will overwrite your saves anyway. I remember it was a big headache to get my splinter cell saves back.
Semantics, making people feel better about the bad shit they do since humanity began.
So you would equate software piracy with "bad shit" done since humanity "began"? Maybe think a little before you say ridiculous shit.
Vigilant Gambit
Member
Taking something such that someone loses something is different from taking something such that nobody loses anything. I don't think that's semantics at all.
Storm Chamber
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Xilium
Member
It's always interesting to read through threads like this and see so many people fundamentally against piracy and then to turn around and see the exact opposite behavior in just about any porn related thread.
From what I've seen in this forum and others (as well as IRL), if a person is an enthusiast consumer of a particular medium, they tend to very anti-piracy of that particular medium (as they tend to care more about the creators of those products) but if it's a medium that they are only a casual consumer of, they tend to have a much more laissez-faire approach to piracy. Porn seems to go yet another step further though as many people seem to be proud about the fact that they pirate it and have a disdain for the people that create it (despite being a regular consumer of their works).
From what I've seen in this forum and others (as well as IRL), if a person is an enthusiast consumer of a particular medium, they tend to very anti-piracy of that particular medium (as they tend to care more about the creators of those products) but if it's a medium that they are only a casual consumer of, they tend to have a much more laissez-faire approach to piracy. Porn seems to go yet another step further though as many people seem to be proud about the fact that they pirate it and have a disdain for the people that create it (despite being a regular consumer of their works).
notworksafe
Member
Most of the WD PC Performance thread starting to sweat from this news.
I don't see why the only possible approach that one can take against piracy is to equate it with stealing, when there are arguably enough nuances to separate the two while still maintaining that they are both odious acts. You do not need to say, "it's wrong because it's stealing" which will demonstrably result in an argument over semantics, when you can alternatively say "it's wrong because it's as immoral as stealing" and have much more compelling points to argue with at your disposal, and a much more fruitful discussion.
Furthermore, saying "it's morally wrong because it's illegal" is really quite ridiculous to me. The law can absolutely be wrong, as history has demonstrated, and it being fallible is the premise of any moral debate to begin with; discussions of morality consist of prescriptive/normative arguments by nature, whereas the statement "it's illegal!" is descriptive.
There is no scene release for the game. This is just someone using a P2P crack and calling it SKIDROW.
Dash Kappei
Not actually that important
PetriP-TNT
Member
Missed opportunity, should have been a dogecoin miner
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
Also, takes less resources
jim-jam bongs
Member
iNvid02
Member
It's been interesting to see this guy's feeble attempts to justify it throughout this thread, after removing the word shit from every other sentence we can conclude the following:
1. piracy is a victimless crime. you think otherwise? lol
2. anyone opposing this is surely feigning
3. i dont like the RRP, it must be artificially inflated
4. why won't they the lower the RRP, they'd still make bank on consoles
5. its all good, it is AAA after all. they take it into consideration
6. scratch that, anyone opposing is now surely a corporate apologist
7. there are worse things happening in the world right now, leave us be
8. they already make too much money, its time for others to get a piece of the action
and you have the audacity to claim people are talking shit? you're free to do as you please, just don't try to sugarcoat it in public so you can feel better about yourself. cunt.
1. piracy is a victimless crime. you think otherwise? lol
2. anyone opposing this is surely feigning
3. i dont like the RRP, it must be artificially inflated
4. why won't they the lower the RRP, they'd still make bank on consoles
5. its all good, it is AAA after all. they take it into consideration
6. scratch that, anyone opposing is now surely a corporate apologist
7. there are worse things happening in the world right now, leave us be
8. they already make too much money, its time for others to get a piece of the action
and you have the audacity to claim people are talking shit? you're free to do as you please, just don't try to sugarcoat it in public so you can feel better about yourself. cunt.
ambientmystic
Member
It's not exactly a secret when one (or more) core(s) of your CPU is being pegged at 100% usage all the time when you're idling on the desktop.
Very easy to pick up in the Task manager, and for those with dual cores, you'll notice the overall system sluggishness immediately when attempting to run any half intensive app of your own.
Legit groups and releases don't do this, btw. To use the scene "terminology", they'd be "nuked" if they put shiet like that into their releases, possibly blacklisted by the rest of the groups, who're always in competition.
Very easy to pick up in the Task manager, and for those with dual cores, you'll notice the overall system sluggishness immediately when attempting to run any half intensive app of your own.
Legit groups and releases don't do this, btw. To use the scene "terminology", they'd be "nuked" if they put shiet like that into their releases, possibly blacklisted by the rest of the groups, who're always in competition.
jim-jam bongs
Member
such detective
much investigate
wow
much investigate
wow
Honestly, I'm kinda bemused by the position that corporations 'deserve' to be pirated because they can absorb the revenue loss.
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