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i just 100% completed fez. it was a headache but rewarding. i just watched the fez 2 teaser again and got sad.
i just 100% completed fez. it was a headache but rewarding. i just watched the fez 2 teaser again and got sad.
I'm sure that game is still being made.
So you realize, that that only allows people who are dicks to keep on trucking along being dicks because no one actually calls them out on it? Let's say I make a super awesome game. Let's say at my award's speech for whatever award I get, I unabashedly declare I am the hottest shit you will ever see in the game's industry, everyone's dick is smaller than mine, and that blacks shouldn't vote. I'm of the mind that I should be called out on it, but in your perfect world I get to keep on trucking, just making life more difficult for everyone else. If someone is being a dick, they should be called out on being a dick. Putting your head down and hoping that they go away doesn't make these people go away, they just keep getting more and more extreme as the silence justifies their behavior even more.
But... IS Phil Fish a dick?
You see, the problem here is we have two different opposing schools of thought on what Phil Fish is. To people that are empathetic to him, they go with the idea that Fish only responds in such a way as a defensive mechanism to abuse. To those that dislike Fish, they tend to believe that Fish is an asshole to begin with and comments like "Compare my life to yours and kill yourself" or "Suck on my dick. Choke on it" were going to come out in some way, shape, or form because... Phil Fish is an asshole, or at least they think so.
A main issue though, is that the truth doesn't lie somewhere in the middle. The truth just isn't actually there. We don't know if Phil Fish is really a dick. We don't know him personally after all, as many have said. Yet many seem to forget that the lack of concrete info does not confirm the opposite. We may not know if he's a dick, but we also don't know if he's NOT a dick. Once again, we don't know THAT either. Maybe Phil Fish runs an orphanage in Africa, maybe Phil Fish is an actual pisspot who hates gamers, we don't know either and can't confirm either.
All we can see is what Phil Fish left behind: A pretty good game and a history of inflammatory comments. At this point, as demonstrated by the video it all becomes your own personal opinion and I think it's these bigger questions that need to be answered. I think these questions are more about the bigger 'concept' of Phil Fish as opposed to the idea of an indie who didn't deserve his success or being famous wrong.
Simply put, are you willing to let someone say whatever they like so long as their body of work is good? Does them being this talented justify the attitude? At what point does the attitude outstrip the talent? Does it ever?
Now personally speaking, I don't like how Phil Fish would respond to insults. It disappoints me that he has this great sea of talent within him, and also the drive to make it into something, but does so poorly when confronted with adversity outside himself. There are so many other indies who take the high road, like Zoe Quinn of Depression Quest. She gets hatred and bile spat at her in a rate not unlike Fish, but Zoe has always turned away from getting down into the dumps of Twitter and squabbling with her haters, she takes the high road and lets the work speak for itself. I attribute this to Zoe Quinn having an extremely strong sense of character to match her talent with Depression Quest, a quality I find hard to see in Phil Fish.
At the end of the day, for me, I find Phil Fish to have responded in a manner that was not only completely unprofessional, but completely unneccessary. Phil Fish does not need to tell people to go kill themselves, he should have let Fez selling 1 million copies do that. Phil Fish does not need to tell people to suck his dick, he should have let Fez winning numerous awards say that FOR him. If he WAS going to snark back at haters about it, he could have done it in so many different ways that would portray him at least a little bit better. Personally, I think he was talented enough to give any hatred a simple of reply of "Made Fez. Sold a million. Your move." which would have been curt, simple, and brimming with confidence. Instead he has to tell someone to go kill themselves, and sinks himself to the level of the internet trolls he hates so much.
I got sad too some hours ago when i finally saw the IGTM: Special Edition i bought some weeks ago. At the end of the first part of this SE you can read "Phil Fish is currently working on FEZ II." :/.i just 100% completed fez. it was a headache but rewarding. i just watched the fez 2 teaser again and got sad.
I was sure about it too, then my faith started to drastically decrease. At least i prefer to be surprised by a FEZ II popping out from nowhere than waiting it.I'm sure that game is still being made.
[...] Probably just a temporary deactivation.
going by how he had andy kaufman as his twitter picture when he had one public, i wouldn't doubt it if he took one out of the kaufman book and it ended up being a stunt. but at the same time i have no idea.
Definitely, do people think the game is actually cancelled?He wants you to think all of his dummy spits and dickhead moves are all part of some higher hoax, but it's not. He just likes attention, and i'm sure he's still making the game.
It's funny some loudmouth nerd is being made into some character study, as if he were an auteur or something. Does fez even warrant that? I haven't played it.
So the gist of the video was "it's okay that Phil Fish acts like an jerk because sometimes he says nice things too!"
So the gist of the video was "it's okay that Phil Fish acts like an jerk because sometimes he says nice things too!"
did you even watch the video?
did you even watch the fucking video?
is English your first language?
Decent-sized bump there, but that series seems a bit interesting after this one.
I dig it!
Yeah, I figured people here might enjoy it but threads involving Gamergate have always gone south and I'm not sure if they're even allowed anymore
What's with the Nickelback tangent? Stopped watching because that went on too long. At this point, this is my first time reading about Phil Fish and I don't even know anything about him because some guy wanted to bitch about Nickelback.
I'm sorta worried to make a new thread because I'm not sure how permitted discussion about these topics are, but the creator of this is currently doing a series on Anita Sarkessian and Gamergate/Angry Internet Culture called "Why Are You So Angry?". I'm watching them now and they are similarly great.
Cool, I'll give it a watch tomorrow. Maybe it will help me understand Gamergate.
How sureI'm sure that game is still being made.
It's funny some loudmouth nerd is being made into some character study, as if he were an auteur or something. Does fez even warrant that? I haven't played it.
I'm sorta worried to make a new thread because I'm not sure how permitted discussion about these topics are, but the creator of this is currently doing a series on Anita Sarkessian and Gamergate/Angry Internet Culture called "Why Are You So Angry?". I'm watching them now and they are similarly great.
Lol the youtube commentors are doing what the video said they would do.Most of the series talks about broader Internet culture and outrage, but fourth episode really dives into Gamergate. It's probably the best explanation of it I've seen.
I can't believe people still actually believe this was Phil Fish when it takes five seconds to photoshop any random tweet to look like your own and pretending to be someone else is practically a past-time on /v/.Whole lots of pseudo social science going on in this video. First things first. Nickle Back the band and the concept both suck a big one. Second thing is, Phil Fish is no different then a lot of the posters here. He has strong opinions about things and no metal filter. When random posters say things like "Japanese games just suck" no one gives a shit. But when some e celeb say it Kotaku got 5 articles ready to go. Hell Phil Fish got caught posting on 4chan trying to drum up more bullshit on 4chan. Also it starting to get old that anyone with a mic, a monotone voice, and a tight script can make headline news in this industry.
I'm sorta worried to make a new thread because I'm not sure how permitted discussion about these topics are, but the creator of this is currently doing a series on Anita Sarkessian and Gamergate/Angry Internet Culture called "Why Are You So Angry?". I'm watching them now and they are similarly great.
I'm sorta worried to make a new thread because I'm not sure how permitted discussion about these topics are, but the creator of this is currently doing a series on Anita Sarkessian and Gamergate/Angry Internet Culture called "Why Are You So Angry?". I'm watching them now and they are similarly great.
I'm sorta worried to make a new thread because I'm not sure how permitted discussion about these topics are, but the creator of this is currently doing a series on Anita Sarkessian and Gamergate/Angry Internet Culture called "Why Are You So Angry?". I'm watching them now and they are similarly great.
"Consider the 'choke on my dick' tweet".
I'm sorta worried to make a new thread because I'm not sure how permitted discussion about these topics are, but the creator of this is currently doing a series on Anita Sarkessian and Gamergate/Angry Internet Culture called "Why Are You So Angry?". I'm watching them now and they are similarly great.