MiniBossBattle
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Fashion/Make-up industry is HUGE. I have a couple of friends that made careers working in them. Its crazy how much women not only spend on themselves but on each other. Korea is oddly a huge market for my friend.
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27 Women on why they wear (or don't wear) makeup
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In response to the people who quoted me or quoted someone who quoted me:
My whole point is that because women are generally expected to wear make-up (and actually do wear make-up due in no small part to these expectations), we all end up meeting more women with make-up on than without. As a result, having make-up on becomes the default 'state' of a woman's face in people's minds.
On the other hand, the default expected 'state' of a man's face is 1) being washed and possibly 2) being roughly shaven or slightly trimmed/groomed. Nothing more is expected of men's faces. And even if you're not shaven, people won't jump to the conclusion that you're tired or sick or some other bullshit because they're not used to seeing you or other men wearing something that's specifically designed to hide the signs of exhaustion, sickness or imperfect skin.
That's how make-up is unfair to women.
Sorry if I didn't make myself clear enough the first time around.
My whole point is that because women are generally expected to wear make-up (and actually do wear make-up due in no small part to these expectations), we all end up meeting more women with make-up on than without. As a result, having make-up on becomes the default 'state' of a woman's face in people's minds.
On the other hand, the default expected 'state' of a man's face is 1) being washed and possibly 2) being roughly shaven or slightly trimmed/groomed. Nothing more is expected of men's faces. And even if you're not shaven, people won't jump to the conclusion that you're tired or sick or some other bullshit because they're not used to seeing you or other men wearing something that's specifically designed to hide the signs of exhaustion, sickness or imperfect skin.
That's how make-up is unfair to women.
Sorry if I didn't make myself clear enough the first time around.
Night Hunter
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Fuck, I'd like to wear makeup sometimes.
I've used foundation, eyeliner, and eyeshadow in the past for costumes, and part of me wants to be able to get away with it every so often. I don't really care about public perception, but I can't imagine not being mocked by those close to me.
cloudwalking
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personally, i love makeup, but it does bother me how the look on the right is marketed as a "normal" face, when that's not how women look when their faces are truly bare.
The Librarian
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I don't understand why the people behind the pictures you posted seem to be incapable of making the women look good without makeup. It's like they set the lighting so the girl looks good with the makeup on and don't reset it when they take the makeup off.
I can find better lighting in my apartment. Yeesh.
kurtrussell
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Like anyone really gives a shit if they wear makeup or not.
These attention-seeking, picture heavy, content lite, Sisters are doing it for themselves, gurl pwrrrrr websites are really starting to grate as of late. Every couple of days there's a new pictorial detailing yet another female first world problem and letting us all know about how these poor little flowers are so very misunderstood.
These attention-seeking, picture heavy, content lite, Sisters are doing it for themselves, gurl pwrrrrr websites are really starting to grate as of late. Every couple of days there's a new pictorial detailing yet another female first world problem and letting us all know about how these poor little flowers are so very misunderstood.
Featheredkitten
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A bit bitter women have their own spaces and articles that don't have anything to do with you?
The Librarian
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Somebody sounds bitter.
kurtrussell
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Nope. Incredulous that with all the shit that's going on in the world, there are a few members of the fairer sex that are self centred enough to think that their personal choice to wear makeup is actually noticed by 99.9% of the world, let alone has any impact. And then they blog about it.
Kurt is bitter about everything. I fucking love it and I'm glad to see him back at his vitriolic best.
kurtrussell
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Funky Papa
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Kurt, you are in dire need of a wank. Just let it go.
Featheredkitten
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Oh one of those arguments:
"Why aren't we more concerned with starving children than healthcare for people?"
"Why are people dumping ice on themselves when some people don't have water?"
"Why are we raising awareness about ASL when there's much more common diseases that need funding?"
"Why don't people help the more inner city children before worrying about Israel and war we're not even involved in?"
"Why aren't we more concerned about drought and war than social programs?"
Please get out of here with that. That's a lazy argument. If you don't care about this topic don't bother to come in here and post. You don't care, doesn't mean no one cares. I care, the other people in this thread care. You're so self centered that you think if it's not important to you it shouldn't be important to anyone else.
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No, wait, I'm not done.
If you think we shouldn't be concerned about this and should be concerned or care about something else than go out there and make a difference in a matter you deem vastly more important. Don't just get on your high horse and tell other people what to care about. Okay. Done.
I done a spit-take.
kurtrussell
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a/s/l?
Featheredkitten
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Because odd numbers draw people's attention on youtube than even numbers.
SuperEpicGuy
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edit: bad post. nothing to see here.
Maybe, but I don't see why that's important. Women who dislike makeup should never, ever be pressured to wear it. Women who like makeup shouldn't need to justify their views.
Dude. This is one of worse posts I have ever seen on the internet.
The feminist movement goes back to the 1830s, as a result of the fact that many, many women were unhappy. Some weren't, because they felt fulfilled as housewives. Others weren't.
What makes a woman a "good housewife"? Do you actually think that women should all stay in the home? Do you oppose women having careers?
In what way are "females" (nice word, that) biologically meant to care about family? I dare you to find one study showing that female parental investment is the result of nature, and not socialization.
The Librarian
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Not said they should be pressured to wear or justify wearing it. I'm saying it's naive to think this make-up craze, shaving entire body, etc. isn't from social pressure throughout the ages to conform to current beauty standards and to ultimately fit in. You can love wearing make-up, but don't tell me it's what you, in nature, intended.
SuperEpicGuy
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another bad post. ignore. just having a bad day.
The Librarian
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Right, because women go around accusing men of raping them like it's part of our morning routine.
Xenon
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Ah I thought it might be a play on 27 Dresses. Any who,
I am more of a fan of the natural look, which is what my wife sports most of the time. But when done right makeup can look great. Though we have a cousin who just cakes it on to the point of looking like a show girl everyday. I think she looks much better without it but, that's just my opinion man. We all do shit to feel better about ourselves. How is 30 minutes putting make-up any different than spending that time in a gym building muscle mass.
Stealth brag?
SuperEpicGuy
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Angelus Errare
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Oh god not more of this white men's rights BS.
The Librarian
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Can you write up another post telling me about my instincts?
You realize that no credible studies show more than 7-9% of rape accusations being false? Current scholarship suggests that the amount of rapes which are never reported is far, far, far greater than the small amount of rape accusations which aren't true.
It's a shame that male victims of abuse do not yet better support systems, but what does that have to do with women who are abused? Some statistics show that one in four women are victims of domestic abuse. It's entirely possible that a quarter of all women you have ever met have been beaten or raped by their partners.
What's your problem?
I think it could be argued that most decisions, and most preferences, are the result of socialization. This is why so many white men aren't attracted to Black women.
SuperEpicGuy seems to think that those damn feminists are the reason for all men's issues.
SuperEpicGuy
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Ignore everything I've said in this thread. Having a bad day.
I agree. I don't get what you are contesting then.
The Librarian
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Preferences when it comes to a partner? I wouldn't say most.
Makeup generally makes people look better. Women are judged more on their appearance and tend to care more, possibly for reasons unrelated to men. I don't think that this makes makeup evil, and I find these kinds of original posts that try to shame women for wearing makeup to be very oppressive and controlling.
To address the rest of your post, happiness isn't an objective thing and depends on your expectations and situation. People are the result of their genetics and environment. No one lives their life by absolutes, we are all influenced by the world and people around us.
Well, it's possible that almost all preferences are the result of socialization. While a woman might be conditioned to like makeup, that doesn't make her preference invalid. I'm conditioned to like acoustic rock and video games due to my upbringing and influences, but that doesn't mean my preferences are't "real".
Makeup is no different from any other preference.
I rarely, and I mean RARELY wear make-up. I think I look just fine without it.
Ya, but you're accessorizing with a dinosaur so it doesn't count. Everyone knows godzilla = makeup substitute.
Can we talk about how Lorde gave an answer?
I'm glad someone noticed!
The Librarian
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There's no way to prove that.
Angelus Errare
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There are a few legitimate issues, but I'm not a member of MRA because they're not trying to address those issues they just want to fight against feminist movements because they feel threatened at their perceived loss of power. That and MRAs are nothing but BS anyway. Ask them how they feel about that disproportionate arrest rate and they say nothing.
I have no clue either. D:
Yeah, you're probably right.
A lot of women were housewives because they had no other option. No one told them they had other options than being the childbearing, housechore performing machines that they were subjucated into. Of course being a housewife didn't mean most of their lives were completely horrible and devoid of any happiness, but that doesn't mean that kind of subjucation of a gender was okay. Women couldn't vote, they got worse education (if education at all), their pay was horrible, they rarely got any recognition of their work (compare male scientists to female scientists even in mid-to-late 20th century, even if there were some highly talented & important female scientists men were the ones winning Nobel prices) and they were deemed unfit for a lot of professions, which kept a lot of women (except the most determined ones) from pursuing many professions (a minority of exceptions who pave way for future generations excluded) + house chores & childcare were thought to be girly things that men don't have much part in.
Not going to sink too much time into this other than to say that feminism isn't in any way or form "bullshit" (well, "real" feminism isn't, the militant kind does but then again it's not really feminism)
Well this is just wrong. Women of course breastfeed their child which perhaps requires some insticts men don't have, but men are as much a part of the equation of taking care of the offspring instictively & evolutionary as women. Humans aren't like some bird species where the men never take care of their offspring, we are a social species that takes care of their own as a group. It's only the human culture that made man to be the sole breadwinner of the house that drove them away from homes and made raising children more of a job of women, something as still being remedied to this day.
If you look at it on an individual level you cannot locate where the influence comes from as people are separate but when looking at society as a whole you can see how people are influenced. This is a case where aggregate data can't properly inform you on the individual level. Trends exist for a reason. The need to fit in is great.
The problem for the ones who prefer not to wear makeup is that they're going to face the pressure to do it, regardless of whether or not anyone is directly and intentionally pressuring them to do so. When enough are doing it, you then stick out socially for not doing it. And if you're in a position where you're competing with other women for attention, it becomes the dating equivalent of refusing to dope in the Tour de France. Sure, you can compete without the extra stuff, but when everyone else is doing it, you're going to be at a severe disadvantage.
There's no way to actively remove this type of implicit pressure, despite no one actively creating it on their own.
The Librarian
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I haven't faced any sort of pressure to wear makeup.
Rest
All these years later I still chuckle at what a fucking moron that guy is.
I hadn't ever really thought about why a woman might wear makeup. I don't like makeup and have found I don't spend much time around women that wear it.
Looking at that picture you posted, though, you're pretty. Girls don't even have to be ugly to be asked about why they don't wear makeup, the peer pressure felt by even better than average looking women is more prevalent than you might think. It even comes from inappropriate people, like bosses, both male and female.
Looking at that picture you posted, though, you're pretty. Girls don't even have to be ugly to be asked about why they don't wear makeup, the peer pressure felt by even better than average looking women is more prevalent than you might think. It even comes from inappropriate people, like bosses, both male and female.
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