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Fashion/Make-up industry is HUGE. I have a couple of friends that made careers working in them. Its crazy how much women not only spend on themselves but on each other. Korea is oddly a huge market for my friend.
Fuck, I'd like to wear makeup sometimes.
I don't understand why the people behind the pictures you posted seem to be incapable of making the women look good without makeup. It's like they set the lighting so the girl looks good with the makeup on and don't reset it when they take the makeup off.personally, i love makeup, but it does bother me how the look on the right is marketed as a "normal" face, when that's not how women look when their faces are truly bare.
Like anyone really gives a shit if they wear makeup or not.
These attention-seeking, picture heavy, content lite, Sisters are doing it for themselves, gurl pwrrrrr websites are really starting to grate as of late. Every couple of days there's a new pictorial detailing yet another female first world problem and letting us all know about how these poor little flowers are so very misunderstood.
Somebody sounds bitter.Like anyone really gives a shit if they wear makeup or not.
These attention-seeking, picture heavy, content lite, Sisters are doing it for themselves, gurl pwrrrrr websites are really starting to grate as of late. Every couple of days there's a new pictorial detailing yet another female first world problem and letting us all know about how these poor little flowers are so very misunderstood.
A bit bitter women have their own spaces and articles that don't have anything to do with you?
Kurt is bitter about everything. I fucking love it and I'm glad to see him back at his vitriolic best.A bit bitter women have their own spaces and articles that don't have anything to do with you?
Kurt is bitter about everything. I fucking love it and I'm glad to see him back at his vitriolic best.
Nope. Incredulous that with all the shit that's going on in the world, there are a few members of the fairer sex that are self centred enough to think that their personal choice to wear makeup is actually noticed by 99.9% of the world, let alone has any impact. And then they blog about it.
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Oh one of those arguments:
"Why aren't we more concerned with starving children than healthcare for people?"
"Why are people dumping ice on themselves when some people don't have water?"
"Why are we raising awareness about ASL when there's much more common diseases that need funding?"
"Why don't people help the more inner city children before worrying about Israel and war we're not even involved in?"
"Why aren't we more concerned about drought and war than social programs?"
Please get out of here with that. That's a lazy argument. If you don't care about this topic don't bother to come in here and post. You don't care, doesn't mean no one cares. I care, the other people in this thread care. You're so self centered that you think if it's not important to you it shouldn't be important to anyone else.
Thank God I'm a man, I just take a quick shower, brush my teeth and get going
Ok this is bothering me, why 27? Why not 30 so you can do half and half. And if you have to with the more normal 25. WHY 27?
Not saying they cannot wear make-up. Saying why they wear make-up isn't usually "I like it". There are women who truly love make-up, don't get me wrong. It's just naive to think social pressure hasn't made a lot of women think they like it.
The housewives were happy because:
1. Everyone did it which must mean that (leading to second point)
2. It's good and makes you a good housewife
3. No feminist bullshit back then
4. Instinctively and evolutionarily females are meant to care about family which also partially attributes to that behaviour.
Wow.The housewives were happy because:
1. Everyone did it which must mean that (leading to second point)
2. It's good and makes you a good housewife
3. No feminist bullshit back then
4. Instinctively and evolutionarily females are meant to care about family which also partially attributes to that behaviour.
Maybe, but I don't see why that's important. Women who dislike makeup should never, ever be pressured to wear it. Women who like makeup shouldn't need to justify their views.
Right, because women go around accusing men of raping them like it's part of our morning routine.Because it's all about equality until the favour is not in their side. Example: if a girl pretends to be raped, I'm pretty sure she wouldn't be jailed for as long as the guy who she blames. That's if there is direct evidence to disprove her claim because otherwise the girl will win in most cases.
Plus many domestic abuse victims are males but guess what, noone gives a shit about them. But if a girl is hurt, oh no, bad man, all men are bad. That's what I'm referring to.
Because odd numbers draw people's attention on twitter than even numbers.
Right, because women go around accusing men of raping them like it's part of our morning routine.
Alright, my bad guys, I get the point.#3 - wha?!
You realize that feminists want everyone to have the freedom to do what they want... including being happy housewives, right?
Sorry this is a tangent, but seriously. I hate the misconception that feminists want to force women to do things. No.... we don't... THAT'S THE POINT.
Even if that were true, that has nothing to do with 1950s household/happiness.
So, no idea why you'd randomly throw that in there.
Because it's all about equality until the favour is not in their side. Example: if a girl pretends to be raped, I'm pretty sure she wouldn't be jailed for as long as the guy who she blames. That's if there is direct evidence to disprove her claim because otherwise the girl will win in most cases.
Plus many domestic abuse victims are males but guess what, noone gives a shit about them. But if a girl is hurt, oh no, bad man, all men are bad. That's what I'm referring to.
There are many feminists that actually want legitimate equality but there aren't that many of them.
Can you write up another post telling me about my instincts?Alright, my bad guys, I get the point.
Because it's all about equality until the favour is not in their side. Example: if a girl pretends to be raped, I'm pretty sure she wouldn't be jailed for as long as the guy who she blames. That's if there is direct evidence to disprove her claim because otherwise the girl will win in most cases.
Plus many domestic abuse victims are males but guess what, noone gives a shit about them. But if a girl is hurt, oh no, bad man, all men are bad. That's what I'm referring to.
Not said they should be pressured to wear or justify wearing it. I'm saying it's naive to think this make-up craze, shaving entire body, etc. isn't from social pressure throughout the ages to conform to current beauty standards and to ultimately fit in. You can love wearing make-up, but don't tell me it's what you, in nature, intended.
However, I have no idea why any of that would be relevant in a thread about makeup women wear, and in discussions about why women might feel pressured by society to wear makeup / "be pretty/feminine."
I think it could be argued that most decisions, and most preferences, are the result of socialization. This is why so many white men aren't attracted to Black women.
Preferences when it comes to a partner? I wouldn't say most.I think it could be argued that most decisions, and most preferences, are the result of socialization. This is why so many white men aren't attracted to Black women.
So the first reason is interesting to me: "I'm a grown woman and I can do whatever I want." This is similar to many others: "Because I like it," for instance.
On a superficial level, this argument seems difficult to argue against, but I think a more probing analysis might say otherwise. Most importantly: well, why does that woman want to do what she wants to do? Why does the woman like it?
Do she/we think she wants to wear makeup because that's just who she is? Or do we think that her desire to wear makeup is influenced by external forces outside her control -- some of which may be insidious?
As a more extreme example to clarify the concept: imagine a 1950s housewife. A huge number of these women were perfectly happy being housewives. The question we might ask, then, is why was that the case? Did it just happen to be true that a lot more women at that time wanted to be domestic than there are presently? I think a reasonable person could argue that many of these women were influenced by society in such a way that they viewed domestic life as their "proper" place, without ever being aware that they were being influenced in this fashion. They did prefer to be domestic, but those preferences did not spring out of thin air, and were not created by their brains alone (or even created by their brains primarily).
Similarly, the notion that women just want to wear makeup because that's who they are is a suspect notion. How did they get to be "who they are?" How did they end up liking the things they like?
I agree. I don't get what you are contesting then.
I rarely, and I mean RARELY wear make-up. I think I look just fine without it.
Can we talk about how Lorde gave an answer?
There's no way to prove that.Well, it's possible that almost all preferences are the result of socialization.
Tangent:
I mean, to be perfectly honest and fair, I don't think men's rights are BS. There are definitely ways that men are socialized that oppresses them. A few examples- how men can't show emotions, and how men are treated in family courts versus women.
However, I have no idea why any of that would be relevant in a thread about makeup women wear, and in discussions about why women might feel pressured by society to wear makeup / "be pretty/feminine."
There's no way to prove that.
A lot of women were housewives because they had no other option. No one told them they had other options than being the childbearing, housechore performing machines that they were subjucated into. Of course being a housewife didn't mean most of their lives were completely horrible and devoid of any happiness, but that doesn't mean that kind of subjucation of a gender was okay. Women couldn't vote, they got worse education (if education at all), their pay was horrible, they rarely got any recognition of their work (compare male scientists to female scientists even in mid-to-late 20th century, even if there were some highly talented & important female scientists men were the ones winning Nobel prices) and they were deemed unfit for a lot of professions, which kept a lot of women (except the most determined ones) from pursuing many professions (a minority of exceptions who pave way for future generations excluded) + house chores & childcare were thought to be girly things that men don't have much part in.The housewives were happy because:
1. Everyone did it which must mean that (leading to second point)
2. It's good and makes you a good housewife
Not going to sink too much time into this other than to say that feminism isn't in any way or form "bullshit" (well, "real" feminism isn't, the militant kind does but then again it's not really feminism)3. No feminist bullshit back then
Well this is just wrong. Women of course breastfeed their child which perhaps requires some insticts men don't have, but men are as much a part of the equation of taking care of the offspring instictively & evolutionary as women. Humans aren't like some bird species where the men never take care of their offspring, we are a social species that takes care of their own as a group. It's only the human culture that made man to be the sole breadwinner of the house that drove them away from homes and made raising children more of a job of women, something as still being remedied to this day.4. Instinctively and evolutionarily females are meant to care about family which also partially attributes to that behaviour.
Well, it's possible that almost all preferences are the result of socialization. While a woman might be conditioned to like makeup, that doesn't make her preference invalid. I'm conditioned to like acoustic rock and video games due to my upbringing and influences, but that doesn't mean my preferences are't "real".
Makeup is no different from any other preference.
The problem for the ones who prefer not to wear makeup is that they're going to face the pressure to do it, regardless of whether or not anyone is directly and intentionally pressuring them to do so. When enough are doing it, you then stick out socially for not doing it. And if you're in a position where you're competing with other women for attention, it becomes the dating equivalent of refusing to dope in the Tour de France. Sure, you can compete without the extra stuff, but when everyone else is doing it, you're going to be at a severe disadvantage.Maybe, but I don't see why that's important. Women who dislike makeup should never, ever be pressured to wear it. Women who like makeup shouldn't need to justify their views.
I haven't faced any sort of pressure to wear makeup.The problem for the ones who prefer not to wear makeup is that they're going to face the pressure to do it,
I haven't faced any sort of pressure to wear makeup.