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PAL Charts - Week 50, 2014

Yoshi

Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
A super high budget game with 4 years in development selling bad everywhere (and not only in europe as it did less than half million in npd), so yeah I think it's over for the ip. however I can see EA moving the team to work on Star Wars RPG or new ip now.

They could also just go back to sports / one shooter / Sims each year :).
 

Daemul

Member
RIP Dragon Age

If the game didn't have a generously long dev time and many people working on it then I wouldn't be worried, but it's future is looking grim imo.
 
I fear for Witcher 3 as it also a major RPG with MS advertising deal and 3rd game in the series with bonus being from a small developer and a niche series

I wouldn't worry about it. Most sales will come from PC and PS4 will probably be the highest selling sku in the console side. DA advertisement could have come from the deal with EA.

TW3 will be interesting for other reasons for sure.


After the DA sales it will be interesting to see what EA does with Mass Effect.
 

Hasney

Member
I think DA:I would have done better if it was advertised at all. I haven't seen any promotion for it anywhere.
 
Do you think Dragon Age would have sold better if it was advertised by Sony ?

If it was aggresively marketed to the extent of Far Cry/Destiny, sure. Do note that the same applies to Xbox, in the sense of their ACU/CoD/Titanfall-tier of marketing push.

It's very unfortunate that Dragon Age ended up in the "Shadows of Mordor"-tier of "Hey, we tied up this game for co-marketing, but we're treating it like the red-headed stepchild of our marketing line-up, unlike Destiny, Titanfall, Batman, AssCreed, etc!"
 

Daemul

Member
I fear for Witcher 3 as it also a major RPG with MS advertising deal and 3rd game in the series with bonus being from a small developer and a niche series

DA:I performance has nothing to do with being advertised by MS, the game came out in a period full of games far more popular and mainstream than it. COD, Far Cry, Assassins Creed, Pokemon, GTA, Halo etc. It was never going to sell more than these games. Ever.

TW is a PC franchise and will sell the most on the PC, so don't worry about it.
 
I'm so disheartened by this news. Game really came out of left field for me and I've been hooked since launch. Currently taking a break from it to wrap up Bayonetta 2 and Donkey Kong TF but will return when I start my two week break from work.

I wonder why it's bombed the way it has. Does this set a bad precedent for The Witcher 3 and other WRPG's or do you guys reckon it's more to do with the timing of the release? Same general week as GTAV and AC probably wasn't the best idea.

It's first Dragon Age game since DA2 - that's why it's performing like it does.
 
Fantasy games aren't very easy to market.

They tend to look extrememly dull from the outside in, and they're certainly not games for everyone.

It was never going to chart well.
 

Hasney

Member
I would say MS should have provided more in this deal but EA fucked it up overall.

Totally. Someone should have picked up the buck somewhere no matter who it was.

You can't release a game during this period with no marketing budget and expect people to grab it. It's just too crowded.
 

Xater

Member
DA:I performance has nothing to do with being advertised by MS, the game came out in a period full of games far more popular and mainstream than it. COD, Far Cry, Assassins Creed, Pokemon, GTA, Halo etc. It was never going to sell more than these games. Ever.

TW is a PC franchise and will sell the most on the PC, so don't worry about it.

DA:I probably should have come out in the August to September timeframe. It might have even done better at the end of January.

Sad to see. It's a really good game that seems to have been lost in the shuffle combined with pretty bad marketing. Sucks especially since that might mean we get even less straight up RPGs and more Mass Effect which is basically just a choose your own adventure shooter at this point.

Fantasy games aren't very easy to market.

They tend to look extrememly dull from the outside in, and they're certainly not games for everyone.

It was never going to chart well.

Except the previous two games did better and Elder Scrolls also does gangbusters.
 

Hasney

Member
Fantasy games aren't very easy to market.

They tend to look extrememly dull from the outside in, and they're certainly not games for everyone.

It was never going to chart well.

Skyrim did gangbusters and the pretty badly received Dragon Age 2 debuted at number 1 before slipping to 2 and then out of the top 10 when it launched in a March.

There's an audience out there. Sure, it's not going to do as well as FIFA, COD and games of that ilk, but it would have done a shitton better if some people knew it existed.
 

Hasney

Member
Just did a bit more research. The original Dragon Age on 360 and PC only launched in the second week of November 2009, had a decent advertising presence at debuted at #5 behind FIFA, Football Manager and Wii Sports/Fit.

Sold 3.2 million worldwide in less than 3 months too.
 
I'm really worried what this means for Mass Effect's development. DA:I is arguably the best thing bioware has done for while, and this bomb may suggest to EA higher ups that more linearity may be the way to go =[.
 

Xater

Member
I'm really worried what this means for Mass Effect's development. DA:I is arguably the best thinh bioware has done for while, and this bomb may suggest to EA higher ups that more linearity may be the way to go =[.

Mass Effect is already mainstream as fuck. Nothing to worry about there.
 

jiggles

Banned
Speaking of anecdotal evidence:

I had a bunch of credit for Game, so I went in to pick up Dragon Age on PS4. Nothing. So I decided to go for Xbox. Nothing. So I headed to the PC section, and again, nothing.

I went through each section again, and a third time to be sure. There was nothing in the store to even suggest the game existed. No promotional material, no price listing, no strategy guides. I honestly had to pull out my phone to check it actually was out in the UK, so I wouldn't be embarrassing myself by asking the assistant where the fuck the Dragon Age be at. He told me they ran out. I asked when they'd be restocked. He said they have deliveries coming in pretty much every day but they'd been waiting on Dragon Age for a while. I gave up and bought the digital version.
 
Looks like Dragon Age 2 damaged the brand; that's what happens when you put out a shitty game though.

The rest of the chart is pretty standard fare.
 
I'm really worried what this means for Mass Effect's development. DA:I is arguably the best thing bioware has done for while, and this bomb may suggest to EA higher ups that more linearity may be the way to go =[.

ME is more of a third person action/shooter game then RPG, it is much more mainstream and casual.
 
ME is more of a third person action/shooter game then RPG, it is much more mainstream and casual.

As has been pointed out repeatedly in the NPD thread, DA:O outsold Mass Effect.

Edit: Though I agree that ME4 has much less to worry about, I do think that ME3 may have similarly damaged the brand.
 
Cross posting.

Right,its good to see it dont care its bundle or not.

While it is good to see. I think there's reason to care. That it took them bundling it so heavily to get the game some sales, suggests the IP might not be able to stand on its own and that's a worry for its long term success and viability as a new IP.
 
I bet in Spain will happen the same. It's been heavily announced on TV.

Edit: Also, wow @ The Sims 4 so low, looks like it bombed hard.

PC gamers seem to prefer digital distribution these days, so The Sims 4's low position should not be a big surprise.

I wonder why Just Dance isn't selling as much on other platforms, like Xbox One (remember when Kinect was always included?) or 360. Everyone thinks of it as a Wii game.
 
Wat. Where are you getting this number from?

On here from a week or two back. Although now I think about it was more likely 69% (think I got 69% and ~70% confused) on PS4. I'll try and track it down quickly.

EDIT; Never mind, I was fucking miles off:

Dragon Age : Inq

PS 4: 43%
X1: 30%
X360 : 12%
PS 3: 6%
PC: 9%

Soz about that guys! Still a massive sales advantage in PS4's favour mind.
 

Daemul

Member
Mass Effect is already mainstream as fuck. Nothing to worry about there.

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Eh, I wouldn't exactly call Mass Effect mainstream. IIRC DAO has sold more copies than every Mass Effect game.
 

Hasney

Member
Cross posting.



While it is good to see. I think there's reason to care. That it took them bundling it so heavily to get the game some sales, suggests the IP might not be able to stand on its own and that's a worry for its long term success and viability as a new IP.

I think it's a good strategy to get the game out there. I think any new racing IP is going to struggle (HI CREW) and bundling it would make sense to get name recognition out there and if people dig it, the sequel can stand on its own two feet.

It's not a game I enjoy, but looking at the positive feedback, getting the first one in as many hands as possible is probably a good thing.
PC gamers seem to prefer digital distribution these days, so The Sims 4's low position should not be a big surprise.

Yup. It's always a shock to see a PC game chart rather than the opposite. Sims 4 did alright at launch and Football Manager is really the only other game that typically charts.
 

Caronte

Member
PC gamers seem to prefer digital distribution these days, so The Sims 4's low position should not be a big surprise.

I wonder why Just Dance isn't selling as much on other platforms, like Xbox One (remember when Kinect was always included?) or 360. Everyone thinks of it as a Wii game.

Yes but The Sims, as Blizzard games, used to sell pretty well on physical formats too.
 

Loudninja

Member
Cross posting.



While it is good to see. I think there's reason to care. That it took them bundling it so heavily to get the game some sales, suggests the IP might not be able to stand on its own and that's a worry for its long term success and viability as a new IP.
I see what you are saying but I cant agreed,bundles are nothing new at all even the most biggest IPs have them.
 

dolemite

Member
Halo is up at #10? What is happening? Also, it should've been LBP3, not DriveClub, that Sony decided to push through the bundles.
 
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