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Code Name S.T.E.A.M. v 1.1.0 update OUT NOW (option to speed up enemy turns 2x/3x!!!)
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TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
It's a niche game anyway, I doubt it would have appealed to tons of people if it scored better.
Junahu
Member
They don't have to change their metacritic score, that can remain as low as the reviewer wants. But they should all acknowledge when a patch improves the base experience of the game. If not, there's no incentive for companies to issue patches at all, other than for critical bugs.
The fact that reviews are still relevant to new consumers even when their criticisms are outdated is problematic. Games can improve and mutate to acknowledge their own problems, but reviews can just be abandoned into the wild with little regard to future consumers.
Chû Totoro
Member
Good. I hope they patch the EU demo too so I can try it again because it clearly made me avoid a purchase. I'm not that much into this genre but it could be refreshing... when I tried it was too slow.
But like a lot of people are saying I'm not sure this very particular type of games would suffer a lot from being "slow". It's a turn based game so it's always "slow" compared to more traditional games. Now computer turn being less slow is good for everyone of course.
But like a lot of people are saying I'm not sure this very particular type of games would suffer a lot from being "slow". It's a turn based game so it's always "slow" compared to more traditional games. Now computer turn being less slow is good for everyone of course.
and don't kill me people, I don't like BB too (boring, repetitive and not even hard)... even if I don't know why bring it here?!?
TheMoon
Member
Maybe they did. Maybe game development takes time.
Chû Totoro;159316909 said:
They won't patch a demo. Play it again while factoring in that the enemy turns will be faster. That should do it. You already know if you like the gameplay or not anyway. If it didn't appeal to you before it won't appeal to you now with faster turns either.
Lost Cloud
Member
I just played through the first mission with the patch, and dang, even at just 2x speed with my standard 3DS, enemy turns are much faster. They added a simple speed toggle on the top right of the bottom screen that you can just keep on at all times, it's awesome! This update is going to make my second playthrough a much quicker experience.
Edit: I remembered wrong, sorry. It does speed up enemy attacks too, but goes back to normal speed during Overwatch. Gah, I feel stupid. Guess I wasn't paying enough attention when I was playing.
Bony Manifesto
Member
But the information on what patches have changed is freely available, so I'm not sure what benefit republishing the changelog at the bottom of a review is going to have.
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
I'm surprised at the "quickness" they patched it.
I thought there was a good chance they'd try to mend it but Nintendo seems to be getting better at listening to people.
I mean, if they added a map on screen in Mario Kart 8 and changed the order of selecting options(next race), then I knew they'd strongly consider fixing this which is more impactful.
Labrynian Rebel
Member
Time to finish my on-hold campaign!
Valkyria Chronicles didn't need a speed up option because enemy units move and react very fast already, plus with the top-down view and the line-of-sight being wide for units means you can see what the enemy is up to most of the time (though fog of war is still in effect). Made it a lot more interactive and fun (and terrifying) for the user watching the enemy.
Plus the computer in VC1 is more reactive, so it won't waste turns trying to do frontal assaults and get itself killed in most missions. It'll end its own turn early if it feels like it can't engage you from a defensive position yet. Very convenient.
cooljeanius
Member
Good to hear! I had been kind of concerned that there might be drawbacks to speeding up the turns, as well, but it's looking like there aren't any!
Opinionatedfish
Member
I haven't played it with the patch yet because of Etrian Mystery Dungeon.
The people asking about re-reviews or amended reviews after the patch.. might be talking about reviewers who said they didn't even finish the game, or only spent a few hours on the game before reviewing it, due to the enemy turns.
I suspect that some of the "lower" reviews have to do with the main character voice actors and their relation to certain controversies.
The people asking about re-reviews or amended reviews after the patch.. might be talking about reviewers who said they didn't even finish the game, or only spent a few hours on the game before reviewing it, due to the enemy turns.
I suspect that some of the "lower" reviews have to do with the main character voice actors and their relation to certain controversies.
Lost Cloud
Member
Sorry, I got it screwed up. It does speed up enemy attacks, but will go back to normal speed during Overwatch. I don't know how I messed that up. I should've been paying more attention when I played.
Junahu
Member
That information mainly benefits those who already have the game and are willing to seek that information out. An article or announcement about a patch can quickly fall off the radar, but reviews will always be there, and are always easy to find. People who want to know if they'll like the game may just use those reviews. And if they do, a review that is no longer accurate could prevent them from playing something they would genuinely enjoy.
So is the speed... sped up in general or is it something you can trigger/toggle?
It adds a button on the bottom screen to toggle it.
Robin64
Member
They patched the demo.
Hey, I was gonna post that!
But to be the lunar advocate, they didn't really update it, they released a new demo, ha ha.
You die often in Bloodborne and have to warp from place to place to fast travel. That shit adds up. So no, Bloodborne shouldn't get a free pass.
Splash Wave
Member
I'm very curious to hear how this goes! This issue was something that kept me from buying the game in the first place.
If the complaints werent there in the first place, from things like reviews, there might have never been a patch addressing this. So, reviews are probably to thank for this.
mgs2master2
Banned
https://twitter.com/NintendoAmerica/status/585847571953815553
nintendo confirms the patch works with the full game AND DEMO
nintendo confirms the patch works with the full game AND DEMO
Junahu
Member
Undoubtedly they are to thank for the patch. But does that mean we have to keep the reviews as they are for posterity?
Crimsonclaw111
Member
Add it as a footnote and nothing more.
TheMoon
Member
They patched the demo.
As a compromise I suggest we settle this with me looking at a picture of a crow instead of having to eat actual crow since the game update didn't magically update the demo as the original post implied
We're one big celestial family.
SuperDowns
Banned
I might get this game now that it is fixed. It is the only thing from the demo I did not like otherwise it played fantastically. Too bad they lost money initially.
Edag Plata
Banned
Hell yeah.
Too bad I only have two days before Xenoblade. Gonna have to juggle the two games.
Too bad I only have two days before Xenoblade. Gonna have to juggle the two games.
JB2448
Member
I was prompted to update my demo and I didn't even have to go into the eShop to update it, so even if it was simply downloading a new build of the entire demo, my system still properly treated it like an update. And yeah, this speed boost is certainly getting me to legitimately consider the game. Once I play through Xenoblade Chronicles 3D, I think I'll pick this up.
ClayKavalier
Banned
I'm tempted to pick this up but the other big complaint reviewers had, that enemies are constantly animating so that they're weak points are swaying back and forth and in and out of your crosshairs, still sounds really annoying.
The fact that picking a squad is totally guesswork since you don't get to see any sort of layout of a level before you start it also seems like a bad decision in a strategy game.
It's really cool that not only listened to feedback but addressed it so quickly, part of me wants to buy it just to reward that. On the other hand the thing they fixed was far from the games only problem.
The fact that picking a squad is totally guesswork since you don't get to see any sort of layout of a level before you start it also seems like a bad decision in a strategy game.
It's really cool that not only listened to feedback but addressed it so quickly, part of me wants to buy it just to reward that. On the other hand the thing they fixed was far from the games only problem.
They should at least add a note to the review talking about the game getting a patch.
Except it was since it turned a ton of people off from the game and they expedited a patch just to resolve it.
I didn't even want to play past the third map at first.
TheMoon
Member
It's not guesswork since you can just hit the "recommended" (or whatever it's called) button and it gives you a squad suited to complete the mission.
Jinfash
needs 2 extra inches
So what your saying is there's a conspiracy against Nintendo in the industry?
It's not the length of time the turns were in most games. I can wait just as long in a game like Fire Emblem for instance. It was the fact that you have no map and only visually have your character's line of sight to look at turning the turns. Obviously this is a design decision that they made for the player to factor in to their strategy, but I'm not sure it makes the game anymore 'fun'. Being able to speed up enemy turns will definitely help the matter, but doesn't resolve all the issues I have with the title.
I've just finished
so I'm still way early and I welcome this.
Although I had no complaints to begin with.
I'm pretty sure the slow turns was a design choice and I get it. They were trying to make you play a certain way. By giving you the time to switch between dudes while the AI is going, they encouraged you to do that, and to see how important something like vision is, etc.. When the public response was so negative, they decided to give in and make people happy, rather than dig in their heels and be stubborn and try to force everyone to play "their way". I say good on them.
London
Although I had no complaints to begin with.
I'm pretty sure the slow turns was a design choice and I get it. They were trying to make you play a certain way. By giving you the time to switch between dudes while the AI is going, they encouraged you to do that, and to see how important something like vision is, etc.. When the public response was so negative, they decided to give in and make people happy, rather than dig in their heels and be stubborn and try to force everyone to play "their way". I say good on them.
TheMoon
Member
Not really "." since it's a separate update
But yea, I guess touché. Did not expect them to update the demo, too.
So reviewers should re-review BF4 and Driveclub?
stuminus3
Member
Quickly! To the Twittermobile! #NintendoGate
Lost Cloud
Member
The moving enemy weak points can be an annoyance, but I didn't think it was all that bad once I learned to time my shots. To me, it kinda added a fun, skill based element to the shooting actually. I do think that there were some enemy hitboxes that could've been better, but that wasn't a big deal most of the time
And while yes, picking a squad is guesswork the first time you play a mission, you can always start it, check your positions, see what you're up against, then quickly restart the mission and change your squad to better suit the mission with no penalty. And yeah, you can just choose the "Recommended" squad too, that will give you an small idea of what you need. I do still think they should've made it so that you could see the layout before starting a mission though; it was a odd design choice.