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Longest train strike in the history of Germany announced
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PdotMichael
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Questionable, the driving license ratio of people <24 years old is still steady at 8 to 10 in Germany.
Burgess_101
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Really? Where do you live? I have yet to meet a 20 year old who hasn't a driver's license.
Eh I know that. So I don't know what you find questionable? That I talked about people I met in everyday life?
Heidelberg
. Typical city full of students and well, of course only one example..but the girl sitting beside me in Japanese class does not have one and she is 25. I only have one because my family forced me to get my license. "Everyone needs one"bullshit.What the fuck? What do you do if you're poor and live in a smaller town?
I don't have one and I'm 24. I live near Hamburg, I don't need one, it's expensive as hell and I pay my university 300 every semester to get me a license for the entire public transportation in and around Hamburg.
Edit: I wouldn't say that that's "normal" though. Not having a driver's license is a bit weird. At least that's the impression I get pretty much every time I tell them I don't have one.
PdotMichael
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Ignoring the fact that asking about the ownership of a driving license isn't one of the more common smalltalk questions.
Yes, I'm not sure if it true that most people you met at the university don't have a driving license for real.
CyclopsRock
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Surely whether people have a licence or a car or whatever isn't that relevant, no? If X number of people are going to any given destination daily on a train, unless that place has X spare parking spaces then driving isn't a practical option, surely? I'm sure hundreds of thousands get trains into Berlin, Frankfurt etc every day - where are all these cars meant to go when they get there?
I"m going to Lunenburg for a games conference in a coupla weeks. Hope they're not striking then.
This. If you dont have a license before university, there's rarely an economic reason to get one.
There's a games conference in Luneburg? I have friends there, maybe I could go too.
How can it be a good thing that someone cannot operate a car? That makes no sense at all.
Do you hate cars or so?
It can still be bigger. I could dig out some G/A/F stories GAF hasn't heard about yet.
Yeah it's DIGRA 2015. Check it out, it's a load of academics chatting shit about games, but it's pretty interesting if that's your bag. Should be some interesting keynotes.
My appearance changed in the last 7 years in such an extreme manner that I usually show the picture on my driver license as a "ice breaker" kind of joke when I talk to people for a longer time. Usually I get a response about the license of the other person or the lack of such.
I mean, if you want to call me a liar and you know my everyday life, whatever lol.
Sorry for the off-topic. I'm out of that hostility.
I know. That's why I said it is only my view. I know that most people still think a car is a must have. You just want to shit on me ^_^""..
great now I can never use animegaf again -.-
PdotMichael
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It's called selective perception.
Well, not that I would have a problem if the incoming generation of academics can't drive - the adventage of a better mobility will help me a lot.
Yup, Berlin S-Bahn has a daily ridership of 1 300 000. That's hundreds of thousands of cars away from the streets every day.
TheLostBigBoss
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Don't you think that 16 years ago is a little different than now?
That's amazing, makes me happy to hear.
Like a beer at at Oktoberfest cost 2,70 DM back in 1980?
Inflation is a factor, sure.
Is it even worth visiting there?
Anyway, to make you feel better. I'm 25 and don't own a license. And yep, I heard that "but everyone needs one" statement as well.
"Free" is a bit misleading. The 300 I pay for a semester (and I believe it's roughly the same for all other universities) include a 100 semester fee and the 200 semester ticket.
Yep. It's a hell of a deal still but it ain't free.
It's a bit like with college in the US, parents save for a long time to make sure their kids can take a driving license. In my case, my grandma was putting away $100 every birthday until I turned 18 for my license. And in most of Europe, higher education is free so unlike American parents, Europeans don't have to worry about that.
Are you not able to make the distinction between having a license and driving a car??
nabe_shogun
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Being able to operate a car is still a good skill to have, even if you don't plan on owning a car.
If fewer people have licenses, that would seem to be indicative of a larger social move toward public transportation, meaning that people not knowing how to drive isn't itself necessarily a good thing, but it would be evidence of a good thing.
Is it? I have a bicycle license I acquired sometime in elementary school, does that not count at all?
Sir_Crocodile
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man, and I thought the rmt was bad
Seems to me like you are not able to make the distinction between a serious and a semi-serious statement.
Only if you live outside of a city I'd argue. (Talking about europe here btw, i know the public transport system in the US is quite different.)
Bedameister
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Oh come on. Maybe I'll skip my visit at my parents next weekend.
Is it? I have a bicycle license I acquired sometime in elementary school, does that not count at all?
I actually still have mine somewhere as well.
CyclopsRock
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I love FMX!
Fuck them seriously. They strike like EVERY FUCKING YEAR. Guess what, there are other people that don't have raised pays. They are already among the better earning jobs. Fuck them big time. I booked a trip 3 months ago and now can't use it? I fucking dare them to not return my money. Need to find an alternative route now.
I got already used to the strikes, and i ranted enough about that last year when i was with friends, but holy shit at the bolded part. I seriously hope you find something dude :/
Well at least I can switch to the public transport system though it will be a pain the ass during the rushhour. Car isn't that necessary here in Cologne, and it wouldn't benefit me in any way since the University is on the opposite side of the Rhein (trafficjam on the main bridges etc). But god have pity with a friend of mine. He's living in Leverkusen xD
maniac-kun
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Last strike the DB organized that 60% of the normal trains still where driving.
1.21Gigawatts
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Last time my university professors just gave out some assinments and said we should stay home, but that was only for a two day strike.
Wonder what they gonna do this time.
Sucks for people who have to get to work somehow.
Wonder what they gonna do this time.
Sucks for people who have to get to work somehow.
Chairmanchuck
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It isnt cheaper. Usually you get a free train ticket for the whole state if you are enrolled in a University.
My commute when I studied every day would be around 90km (Solingen-Cologne) and with the daily traffic jam it could even take longer to get there.
And the ratio of car owners is different if you grow up in a big city compared to a small city. If I would live in Cologne or Düsseldorf I wouldnt even need a drivers licence. In my hometown almost everyone has one though because they need it.
300€ for a semester is quite cheap though
There is a normal bus from Leverkusen to Cologne as well as "Schienenersatzverkehr" busses usually.
Chairmanchuck
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Yeah. I am just saying how it usually is. The german train system is actually well developed. I am using a car too to get almost everywhere, but getting to classes, at least in NRW, the cheapest alternative would still be by using a train.
SolidusDave
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No sympathy from me anymore, it's just GDL, and in particular their leader, getting desperate as they see their power&existence fading away.
The government is currently finalizing a law that will prevent a tiny union like the GDL to strike if there is a main union that represents all workers of that company/sector (and which doesn't want to strike).
After that the country should not be blocked by the GDL anymore, no way the Deutsche Bahn (nor the main union) will agree to let them represent all employees.
in what world is a car cheaper than public transport?
Even not counting the initial investment (license+car itself), the monthly costs you have due to maintenance, fuel and insurance are much higher.
For the shittiest car that's still like 300-400€ per month vs. 50-100€ in public transport (and "0" to 50€ if you're a student or your work place offers deals).
Sure, if you live in a rural area a car is worth the higher price to actually get somewhere. But in any German city/urban area with >150.000 people? Nah.
I would also rather not start to smoke (which is another money drain anyway) and I just wear good headphones
The government is currently finalizing a law that will prevent a tiny union like the GDL to strike if there is a main union that represents all workers of that company/sector (and which doesn't want to strike).
After that the country should not be blocked by the GDL anymore, no way the Deutsche Bahn (nor the main union) will agree to let them represent all employees.
in what world is a car cheaper than public transport?
Even not counting the initial investment (license+car itself), the monthly costs you have due to maintenance, fuel and insurance are much higher.
For the shittiest car that's still like 300-400€ per month vs. 50-100€ in public transport (and "0" to 50€ if you're a student or your work place offers deals).
Sure, if you live in a rural area a car is worth the higher price to actually get somewhere. But in any German city/urban area with >150.000 people? Nah.
I would also rather not start to smoke (which is another money drain anyway) and I just wear good headphones
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