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[MaLDo]

Will be ok if they leave the 30 fps cap and not optimize streaming for higher framerate?

 

[Hexa]

This kind of illustrates another problem. If they would have delayed it, people would have freaked out, even if they're transparent and say it's not ready. If they release, people freak out. There was no way for them to win, though I suppose the lesser of two evils here is to delay it. Basically, no matter what, people freak out and I can't imagine what it must feel like to release video games in a climate like this.

They should have delayed it officially and launched this version on early access.

 

[BlackNinja]

I don't know man...

It's like an assault on the senses, the effects are almost smeared across the screen. IQ is pretty abysmal, there's just too much visual noise.

I really don't think it looks nice at all.

OK.

I can't argue with subjectivity.

 

[gdt]

Pretty class move in my book, although would have been better to just delay PC release for a few months and get it right... but then you might have gamers crying console conspiracy theories.

To me it looks like they did the best they could, I'll give them a pass.

sweet jesus

 

[nextgeneration]

I don't think it's classy, it's just something they have to do because this debacle is hurting their bottom line now and will going forward unless they take action. It's smart, but they're not looking out for us.

Yup, people should not misconstrue this move as being classy. They're only watching out for themselves because in the long run, this would do irreparable damage to them if they didn't take action immediately.

 

[CambriaRising]

This kind of illustrates another problem. If they would have delayed it, people would have freaked out, even if they're transparent and say it's not ready. If they release, people freak out. There was no way for them to win, though I suppose the lesser of two evils here is to delay it. Basically, no matter what, people freak out and I can't imagine what it must feel like to release video games in a climate like this.

My heart bleeds for them.

 

[paperspace]

I wonder if they will give the fixed version a different title "Arkham Knight: Ultimate armor edition" or some shit, just to get it a new store page clear of all the negative reviews.

I'd support that. No one is interested in irrelevant reviews (which I hope is a fact when the patch is out).

 

[Zomba13]

This kind of illustrates another problem. If they would have delayed it, people would have freaked out, even if they're transparent and say it's not ready. If they release, people freak out. There was no way for them to win, though I suppose the lesser of two evils here is to delay it. Basically, no matter what, people freak out and I can't imagine what it must feel like to release video games in a climate like this.

As much as delays suck I think it's better than releasing a broken game and charging money for it. If they just said "We're delaying the game because it's not up to our standards" then yeah, people would freak out and call bullshit (citing E3 and NVIDIA videos) but at least it'll be less bad press than releasing a broken game.

 

[Sal Ami]

This kind of illustrates another problem. If they would have delayed it, people would have freaked out, even if they're transparent and say it's not ready. If they release, people freak out. There was no way for them to win, though I suppose the lesser of two evils here is to delay it. Basically, no matter what, people freak out and I can't imagine what it must feel like to release video games in a climate like this.

They are in this situation because they stopped devoting resources to the PC version and thus it fell behind development and into this debacle.

 

[SpiceMelange]

Used VRAM =/= Required VRAM

Some games like to use all available VRAM just because it's there, but they may not need more than e.g. 1.5GB @ 1080p with High settings. Witcher 3 basically does it when you toggle texture quality from High to Ultra. With High game uses <2GB, but with Ultra it starts eating VRAM >2GB because it just caches extra stuff into there.

Considering how the game chokes when it goes past 4gb on the 970 compared to the 980ti's 6gb and titanx's 12gb, this doesn't apply here.

 

[TheGrue]

My heart bleeds for them.

Yeah, yeah...I know. Hard to have sympathy for corporate entities. Other than their increasing crappy DLC practices, WB has been pretty good with games, in my opinion.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

This kind of illustrates another problem. If they would have delayed it, people would have freaked out, even if they're transparent and say it's not ready. If they release, people freak out. There was no way for them to win, though I suppose the lesser of two evils here is to delay it. Basically, no matter what, people freak out and I can't imagine what it must feel like to release video games in a climate like this.

Well ideally the way to win would be to produce a good product in the first place.

If a company releases PS4 and Xbox One versions of a game, then the PS4 version is either delayed or completely broken, PS4 owners would probably be pretty pissed, no?

 

[hlhbk]

This kind of illustrates another problem. If they would have delayed it, people would have freaked out, even if they're transparent and say it's not ready. If they release, people freak out. There was no way for them to win, though I suppose the lesser of two evils here is to delay it. Basically, no matter what, people freak out and I can't imagine what it must feel like to release video games in a climate like this.

There is a way to win. Pour as much effort into the pc version as you do the console. Make sure the game is taking advantage of the extra power given to you by the pc. Don't outsource development and release all versions when everything is done.

Seriously it isn't hard to figure out.

 

[Doctor Ironic]

This kind of illustrates another problem. If they would have delayed it, people would have freaked out, even if they're transparent and say it's not ready. If they release, people freak out. There was no way for them to win, though I suppose the lesser of two evils here is to delay it. Basically, no matter what, people freak out and I can't imagine what it must feel like to release video games in a climate like this.

I really want to approach all of the Gaffers who literally swore off purchasing from Rockstar after the GTAV PC delays and ask "would you have preferred THIS!?"

 

[Rhaknar]

a freak out over a delay is nowhere near as bad as the freakout about whats happening. in fact, there would be no freakout over a delay, there would be a collective /shrug and lol about another company delaying PC versions

we are used to it

 

[hlhbk]

There is a way to win. Pour as much effort into the pc version as you do the console. Make sure the game is taking advantage of the extra power given to you by the pc. Don't outsource development and release all versions when everything is done.

Seriously it isn't hard to figure out.

I really want to approach all of the Gaffers who literally swore off purchasing from Rockstar after the GTAV PC delays and ask "would you have preferred THIS!?"

Approach me and see my response above.

 

[batman2million]

So whats the guest-amate that this will all be fixed? A week? Two?

 

[ShockingAlberto]

The PC isn't the Wii U, you're going to make a decent amount of sales there. There shouldn't be a reason those customers should be treated as second-class in this day and age.

I honestly can't believe we still get the "here's a few week delay because we're afraid you're pirates" delay on games, either.

 

[Spring-Loaded]

a freak out over a delay is nowhere near as bad as the freakout about whats happening. in fact, there would be no freakout over a delay, there would be a collective /shrug and lol about another company delaying PC versions

we are used to it

And, for some people, the PC version essentially got delayed anyway. Terrible decision to release the game in this state.

 

[Gbraga]

Will be ok if they leave the 30 fps cap and not optimize streaming for higher framerate?

I'm ok with that.

 

[GhostTrick]

The PC isn't the Wii U, you're going to make a decent amount of sales there. There shouldn't be a reason those customers should be treated as second-class in this day and age.

I honestly can't believe we still get the "here's a few week delay because we're afraid you're pirates" delay on games, either.

According to Steamspy, 292k people own it on Steam. Might be a lot less now since refunds. But for a 60 dollars release, it's pretty much telling how PC market is important. Especially the revenue per copy, which is twice higher than a physical console game.
Basically, at the same price, 1 game bought a steam produce twice more money than a physical console game. Although, a digital console game produce the same revenue. However, digital market on console is smaller. A lot smaller.

 

[MaLDo]

I'm ok with that.

We're doomed then.

 

[hlhbk]

Will be ok if they leave the 30 fps cap and not optimize streaming for higher framerate?

No. This isn't 2004.

 

[Sober]

I wonder if they will give the fixed version a different title "Arkham Knight: Ultimate armor edition" or some shit, just to get it a new store page clear of all the negative reviews.

Shittier devs and pubs have done it before. WB can now join them on that list.

Wouldn't be surprised if WB had it in for PC gamers after getting their Shadow of Mordor youtuber bullshit dragged into the light.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

Awesome. GMG hooked me up with a refund. Going to delete this game from my system tonight and forget about it for a while.

Maybe it will be all fixed and ready to go by the holiday Steam sale.

 

[Tovarisc]

Considering how the game chokes when it goes past 4gb on the 970 compared to the 980ti's 6gb and titanx's 12gb, this doesn't apply here.

GTX970 chokes because of its very slow .5GB of VRAM at end of whole 4GB capacity. According some respected posters in Anandtech forums that last .5GB chokes whole last 1GB when accessed. No wonder card has issues when VRAM use goes over 3.5GB and hitting hardap of 4GB, no matter what GPU, will cause issues.

Edit: To clarify, if card has 4GB of VRAM and game keeps hitting that limit it will choke card. If card has 6GB of VRAM and game uses 4.5GB such choking effect won't appear.

 

[Sean*O]

I don't think it's classy, it's just something they have to do because this debacle is hurting their bottom line now and will going forward unless they take action. It's smart, but they're not looking out for us.

None of them are 'looking out for us' in the end. I've seen a LOT of shit ports but never a retail freeze until they can get it fixed. Usually they just let it ride until they can patch it days/weeks/months later and ignore all of the complaints.

Like you said, it's smart but it's also not what I'm used to seeing from these big companies. Did they have a choice? Maybe and maybe not considering the high profile of the franchise. I'm just saying given where the situation is now it was the right move.

 

[hlhbk]

None of them are 'looking out for us' in the end. I've seen a LOT of shit ports but never a retail freeze until they can get it fixed. Usually they just let it ride until they can patch it days/weeks/months later and ignore all of the complaints.

Like you said, it's smart but it's also not what I'm used to seeing from these big companies. Did they have a choice? Maybe and maybe not considering the high profile of the franchise. I'm just saying given where the situation is now it was the right move.

What is the difference between the past and now? Steam refunds en mass.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

It is much harder to convince someone to rebuy your game than it is to convince them to hold off for a bit until you can fix it.

 

[chromatic9]

There is a way to win. Pour as much effort into the pc version as you do the console. Make sure the game is taking advantage of the extra power given to you by the pc. Don't outsource development and release all versions when everything is done.

Seriously it isn't hard to figure out.

Arkham City was a shitshow for months as well. I believe Rocksteady did that one. Probably why they farmed it out.
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2011...directx_11_performance_iq_review#.VYyAiJXbK3I

If it was that important, they'd do a good job.

 

[revolverjgw]

None of them are 'looking out for us' in the end. I've seen a LOT of shit ports but never a retail freeze until they can get it fixed. Usually they just let it ride until they can patch it days/weeks/months later and ignore all of the complaints.

Like you said, it's smart but it's also not what I'm used to seeing from these big companies. Did they have a choice? Maybe and maybe not considering the high profile of the franchise. I'm just saying given where the situation is now it was the right move.

This is the first big AAA fuck up after Steam refunds became a thing, I don't think it's a coincidence

 

[ThoseDeafMutes]

Considering how the game chokes when it goes past 4gb on the 970 compared to the 980ti's 6gb and titanx's 12gb, this doesn't apply here.

GTX970 chokes because of its very slow .5GB of VRAM at end of whole 4GB capacity. According some respected posters in Anandtech forums that last .5GB chokes whole last 1GB when accessed. No wonder card has issues when VRAM use goes over 3.5GB and hitting hardap of 4GB, no matter what GPU, will cause issues.

Edit: To clarify, if card has 4GB of VRAM and game keeps hitting that limit it will choke card. If card has 6GB of VRAM and game uses 4.5GB such choking effect won't appear.

My buddy on a 3GB 780 is not experiencing major issues. Just the occasional slowdown when driving. If the 970 only having 3.5GB of fast VRAM was the issue, nobody using 2-3GB cards would ever be reporting "relatively smooth" experiences in this game. However there seems to be no correlation at all between what card you're running and how good it is. People on Titans and stuff being unplayable, people on 2gb 770s doing fine. It's a mess and the answer isn't that simple.

 

[Doctor Ironic]

Approach me and see my response above.

I'm approaching you and saying that that's literally what Rockstar did but for some reason you still have a problem with it.

You can wait to play with toys.

 

[Rappy]

This kind of illustrates another problem. If they would have delayed it, people would have freaked out, even if they're transparent and say it's not ready. If they release, people freak out. There was no way for them to win, though I suppose the lesser of two evils here is to delay it. Basically, no matter what, people freak out and I can't imagine what it must feel like to release video games in a climate like this.

Can someone provide an example of this "freak out"? People keep saying this but never provide any evidence of this ever happening at all. The biggest reaction you get from delaying a game is “Guess I’ll get x version” or “This sucks, guess I’ll wait”. The biggest reaction you get from releasing a broken game is “Guess I’m never supporting this dev/publisher ever again”. Hmm, which sounds worse?

People saying suspending the sales is a class act is also stupid. They should just have not released the game broken at all. Now all they have is bad press and stupid people that have forgiven them just because they have pulled the sales.

 

[Zemm]

I don't know man...

It's like an assault on the senses, the effects are almost smeared across the screen. IQ is pretty abysmal, there's just too much visual noise.

I really don't think it looks nice at all.

It doesn't look bad but it doesn't look great either. It's basically what you'd expect from a big game these days. It doesn't stand out from the crowd at all.

 

[Mad Season]

So whats the guest-amate that this will all be fixed? A week? Two?

I'd guess a month

 

[7DollarHagane]

I got the PC copy for free but I'm really eager to play it. About to buy on ps4.. Cant stand to wait a month.

 

[SeeNoWeevil]

I'd guess a month

I don't think it's ever going to perform well enough at 60fps.

 

[AlterOdin]

Will be ok if they leave the 30 fps cap and not optimize streaming for higher framerate?

No. Also Nvidia advertised it in 60 fps (chipmunk-gate notwithstanding).

Also this is UE3, mid-high end GPU's should be running circles around it.

Anyway not good enough, atleast not for me.

 

[Schweinehund]

1) Realise game is broken on PC
2) Fear bad press for delaying PC version
3) Release PC version anyway
4) Issue "recall" of PC version
5) Earn the goodwill of PC players
6) ???
7) Profit

The only way they'll even come close to even for me is free season pass + good port within a month.

 

[Tovarisc]

My buddy on a 3GB 780 is not experiencing major issues. Just the occasional slowdown when driving. If the 970 only having 3.5GB of fast VRAM was the issue, nobody using 2-3GB cards would ever be reporting "relatively smooth" experiences in this game. However there seems to be no correlation at all between what card you're running and how good it is. People on Titans and stuff being unplayable, people on 2gb 770s doing fine. It's a mess and the answer isn't that simple.

I agree, performance in the AK seems to be all over the map and there isn't any clear pattern. Which makes it rather painful when some streamers with good performance on PC build X just paint talks about issues as uncalled for whining. One of those games and cases where you just would love know technical details and breakdown on what went wrong.

 

[ghibli99]

Months ago, I joked with my friends that I would just wait for the $7.50 GOTY version on PC, and man, after all this, that's probably exactly what I'll do.

 

[Mad Season]

No. Also Nvidia advertised it in 60 fps (chipmunk-gate notwithstanding).

Also this is UE3, mid-high end GPU's should be running circles around it.

Anyway not good enough, atleast not for me.

where did nvidia state 60?

 

[Corpekata]

where did nvidia state 60?

They have a 60 FPS Gameworks video on their youtube channel.

 

[Krappadizzle]

I wonder if they will give the fixed version a different title "Arkham Knight: Ultimate armor edition" or some shit, just to get it a new store page clear of all the negative reviews.

Arkham Knight: Rearmored: War Edition: Special Edition: Edition.

 

[nullref]

So whats the guest-amate that this will all be fixed? A week? Two?

Depends on your expectations for what "all fixed" will eventually mean (to the publisher). If you just expect a patch that restores some visual effects and smooths out the worst of the performance problems, then a week or two might be possible. If you expect them to turn it into a really good PC port that scales well to 60 Hz and beyond, I would guess quite a bit longer.

Tough to say, though.

 

[hlhbk]

I'm approaching you and saying that that's literally what Rockstar did but for some reason you still have a problem with it.

You can wait to play with toys.

Rock star released all versions the same day fully optimized and ready to roll? Then no they didn't do what I said.

 

[BoxManLocke]

Guys, I'm giving away my Nvidia code for the game. I'm feeling guilty trying to sell it on ebay to some poor soul at this point.

First member to send me a PM gets the code.

Edit : Code's been given away, no point in sending PMs anymore

 

[Allnamestakenlol]

Arkham Knight: Rearmored: War Edition: Special Edition: Edition.

Don't forget ...Director's Cut: Definitive Edition

 

[KingBroly]

The only way they'll even come close to even for me is free season pass + good port within a month.

If it was going to be a month or less, they wouldn't have stopped sales of the PC version.